BACKSTAGE UPDATE ON MAIN WWE ROSTER BEING FRUSTRATED AFTER NXT TAKEOVER: R EVOLUTION

[Red Rain]

I recall Lockard23 once bringing up the Ice Bucket Challenge.
HHH had challenged Vince and Vince accepted by saying (and I paraphrase), "Anything my son-in-law can do, I can do better."
Paul Heyman had the ridiculous theory that Vince had planned to outlive Shane and Stephanie, thus handing the business further down the line.
Considering this, I've come to a wild conclusion that Vince's competitive streak wants to see HHH fail.
This idea is ridiculous but not far fetched given the stories his employees have told about his alpha complex.
Cena may be Vince's last star and he's making it count, which may be another reason he's put off turning the guy heel.

The Shield is a take on the WWE emblem. The NFL logo is a shield as are the Oakland Raiders.
With the Shield, you have HHH's guy (Rollins), Vince's guy (Reigns) and our guy (Ambrose).
Debuting them together and booking them as the future pillars of the company was a strategic move.
If Rollins is the most successful, HHH's model has some legs.
If Reigns the most successful, Vince was right all along.
If Ambrose is the most successful, maybe the fans were right all along.

Time will tell if the pupil can defeat his master. Vince hasn't lost in the circus of promoting wrestling yet.
I don't believe HHH (and Steph) will but they can come close. Having Shane as a third head would be great, but that's another topic altogether.

 

[Stopspot]

I'm a fan and I want Rollins to be the one.

 

[Wacokid27]

You know what pisses me off? Vince's comments about the Brass Ring. The guy buries half of the people trying to step up (Ryder, Sandow, tried to do it with Bryan) and then tells them to step up after everyone's down unless they're Cena, Orton or Lesnar. Meanwhile in NXT, people seem to be happy and they're outdoing the WWE main roster. First off, Vince needs to either wise up or fuck off. Secondly, Cena trying to rally the troops is bullshit seeing as how he's the only one consistantly put "over" by Vince while everyone else is pretty much fucked up the ass. Lastly, stop the shitty storylines.

I can see some sense in your comments here, but I also think about it the same way that I've heard SCSA say on his podcast about guys needing to "get themselves over".

To me, that's the "brass ring" of McMahon Lore.

Austin talks a lot about Cesaro having all the tools, but missing that one thing that makes him a top-level star. Maybe to Austin and to Vince it's finding that "one thing" that is "grabbing the brass ring".

I don't know, but I hope Cesaro finds it as I've been a huge fan of his for a long time now.

Oh....and go Cowboys.

wk

 

[Prince Bálor]

You know what pisses me off? Vince's comments about the Brass Ring. The guy buries half of the people trying to step up (Ryder, Sandow, tried to do it with Bryan) and then tells them to step up after everyone's down unless they're Cena, Orton or Lesnar. Meanwhile in NXT, people seem to be happy and they're outdoing the WWE main roster. First off, Vince needs to either wise up or fuck off. Secondly, Cena trying to rally the troops is bullshit seeing as how he's the only one consistantly put "over" by Vince while everyone else is pretty much fucked up the ass. Lastly, stop the shitty storylines.

Yeah, irony is beautiful sometimes.

Vince is like 'Grab that brass ring, boys. I'll make sure you're buried in time.' lol

Vince just needs to realize that the fans want better and newer talent on top of the mountain. Cena's been that top guy for like a decade, what more could Vince/Cena want? Come on, Vince... Swallow that pill and let Cena go.

The NXT talent are extremely motivated to make it, while the guys from the main roster seem like they're saturated with what they've accomplished... Or rather demotivated because the suits won't let their hard work get paid off...
Cena 'rallying the troops' is just BS, just like you said. Seems like he's trying to protect his spot.

Talk about shitty storylines... *cough* I wish you died in the womb *cough*

 

[Farooq]

Agreed, why would the current talent want to step it up? Most of the time they've all been put down except for very very few superstars. It demotivates them heavily, and hell I've been in the same situation. You work your ass off, and for what? To get told by your higher ups that you're not good enough, even though the people around you know that you deserve your rewards. It makes you feel like shit, so I could imagine them not even taking Cena seriously when he trys to motivate them.

 

[Prince Bálor]

Agreed, why would the current talent want to step it up? Most of the time they've all been put down except for very very few superstars. It demotivates them heavily, and hell I've been in the same situation. You work your ass off, and for what? To get told by your higher ups that you're not good enough, even though the people around you know that you deserve your rewards. It makes you feel like shit, so I could imagine them not even taking Cena seriously when he trys to motivate them.

Yeah, correct.

Oh, I can't wait to see the day when Cena becomes completely irrelevant. All these years of him burying the talent are gonna bite him in the ass, eventually.

 

[Farooq]

I'm just waiting for HHH to take control of the company. Vince is just to outdated already, it's like releasing GTA V on the NES.

 

[CFCrusader]

I also bet that Rusev being the foreign heel is all Vince's idea. It would make sense... if only everyone didn't hate him for being anti 'murica!

Rusev attacking Colter is good, but at the same time, nobody gives a shit right now because they get no mic time and what I believe was 6 minutes on a PPV.

 

[Prince Bálor]

I also bet that Rusev being the foreign heel is all Vince's idea. It would make sense... if only everyone didn't hate him for being anti 'murica!

Rusev attacking Colter is good, but at the same time, nobody gives a shit right now because they get no mic time and what I believe was 6 minutes on a PPV.

Anti-America gimmick has been done to death. I don't like Rusev either, but I do like Lana, though.
Here's to hoping they change his gimmick sooner rather than later.

Guess what's the worst part of all that? They're gonna feed Rusev to Cena at WM31, most likely. It's gonna be the 'Cena's road to redemption' BS season again.

While Rusev doesn't really tickle my fancy, just let it be Ryback who conquers Rusev, FFS. Make a new star, Cena's already established and has so many accolades, he doesn't deserve to bury another guy.

 

[Farooq]

The future of WWE!!

 

[Prince Bálor]

The future of WWE!!

:woohoo:

 

[Leo C]

I don't think the main roster is ever going to be as good as NXT. Or better yet, I don't think it's ever gonna be as easy to make the main roster good than it is to make NXT great. on NXT Hunter (or whoever) can do whatever he wants, can push any dude, schedule events whenever the hell it's appropriate, and since it's a static crowd it's easier to please the fans on every show. On the main roster you have to answer to at least the investors and a somewhat different crowd every week (given that you ignore the fact that the creative team structure is probably overcomplicated there too, but I'm not sure that matters much). So giving Hunter the book would undoubtly improve booking because even if on the main roster there's stuff like cutting PPVs and de-pushing Cena that they "can't" do because much of the crap can be fixed and still keep three hours and all that, but it's never going to be NXT level. I think.

 

[The GOAT]

I recall that early on Vince wanted to be a wrestler but his father forbade it. Since he was a promoter who likely would have never gotten into the ring if his business was not in the dire straits that it was in during the the Monday Night Wars, it makes sense that he would look at the business first. My problem is that every time I write that down, it seems obvious that nowadays the fans are adamant that they want good matches over good story telling. Yet, for some reason, he seems to continuously resist that, almost like a father telling his children that he knows what is best simply because he is the father.

I disagree here. I think characters and storylines are still as important as ever. There's already an abundance of match quality on the shows given that we generally receive a ton of good or great matches on Raw, Smackdown, and PPV as it is, and yet people still aren't satisfied and continue to knock the main product and complain about how bad or mediocre it is (the lack of intriguing storylines being one of the main bases of their criticisms.)

Just look at Ambrose and Reigns - neither man is particularly great in the ring (I'm not saying they're bad either, but they're not the ones you tune in to see if you want to witness a **** or a ***** match), but they're both popular with the crowds regardless. And the reason why folks on the internet prefer Ambrose to Reigns and think that he'll eventually surpass him in the long run is due to his superior character and mic work. Seth Rollins is easily the best in-ring competitor between all former Shield members, but he's also the most hated thanks to storytelling.

The Shield is a take on the WWE emblem. The NFL logo is a shield as are the Oakland Raiders.
With the Shield, you have HHH's guy (Rollins), Vince's guy (Reigns) and our guy (Ambrose).
Debuting them together and booking them as the future pillars of the company was a strategic move.
If Rollins is the most successful, HHH's model has some legs.
If Reigns the most successful, Vince was right all along.
If Ambrose is the most successful, maybe the fans were right all along.

To be fair, HHH is a "Roman Reigns Guy" as well. Remember dirt sheets reporting earlier this year that Vince wanted Brock/Rock (non-title) for Wrestlemania while HHH was pulling for Brock/Reigns for the title instead? Hunter seems to be firmly on the Reigns train as well. I mean, technically all three Shield guys are his "boys", but he seems to be on the same page as McMahon in regards to seeing Reigns as the biggest potential star of The Shield. Let's also not forget that they were clearly teasing/building up to a Reigns/HHH encounter at some point. It was rumored/planned for Summerslam and Hunter was prepared to eventually give Reigns the rub and hopefully work some of the same magic with him as he did with Batista in 2005.

 

[Red Rain]

I disagree here. I think characters and storylines are still as important as ever. There's already an abundance of match quality on the shows given that we generally receive a ton of good or great matches on Raw, Smackdown, and PPV as it is, and yet people still aren't satisfied and continue to knock the main product and complain about how bad or mediocre it is (the lack of intriguing storylines being one of the main bases of their criticisms.)

Just look at Ambrose and Reigns - neither man is particularly great in the ring (I'm not saying they're bad either, but they're not the ones you tune in to see if you want to witness a **** or a ***** match), but they're both popular with the crowds regardless. And the reason why folks on the internet prefer Ambrose to Reigns and think that he'll eventually surpass him in the long run is due to his superior character and mic work. Seth Rollins is easily the best in-ring competitor between all former Shield members, but he's also the most hated thanks to storytelling.


To be fair, HHH is a "Roman Reigns Guy" as well. Remember dirt sheets reporting earlier this year that Vince wanted Brock/Rock (non-title) for Wrestlemania while HHH was pulling for Brock/Reigns for the title instead? Hunter seems to be firmly on the Reigns train as well. I mean, technically all three Shield guys are his "boys", but he seems to be on the same page as McMahon in regards to seeing Reigns as the biggest potential star of The Shield. Let's also not forget that they were clearly teasing/building up to a Reigns/HHH encounter at some point. It was rumored/planned for Summerslam and Hunter was prepared to eventually give Reigns the rub and hopefully work some of the same magic with him as he did with Batista in 2005.

I agree and disagree, here.
HHH has enough common sense to realize Reigns 'potential', but that doesn't necessarily indicate that he's his preference.
I'm in no position to speculate, as every point you made has been documented.
It may have been his selfishness speaking, but HHH was never a fan of sub six-footers Jericho or Angle.
On the other hand, you have Rollins who does everything well with no alarming flaws whom he believes is a can't miss.

HHH isn't anti-Reigns, but I do believe he is more pro-Rollins. Reigns has more upside, but potential to be a huge letdown.
By building Rollins, HHH is covering tracks to ensure he's, at least, semi-successful coming out of the gate.
After all, wasn't Sin Cara HHH's first pet project? People have forgotten that and HHH would rather keep it that way.

 

[Jacob Fox]

I disagree here. I think characters and storylines are still as important as ever. There's already an abundance of match quality on the shows given that we generally receive a ton of good or great matches on Raw, Smackdown, and PPV as it is, and yet people still aren't satisfied and continue to knock the main product and complain about how bad or mediocre it is (the lack of intriguing storylines being one of the main bases of their criticisms.)

Sorry you misunderstood my post. I didn't say "good matches rather than good story telling," I said "Good matches over good storytelling." My point was not "either or" it was they want the good matches on top of the good storytelling, saying that they want the good story telling but they want the good matches along with it." I realize that I phrased that pretty poorly, my apologies.

For an example of what I mean, look at a Diva's match on Raw or Smackdown. There's a story and a three minute embarrassement of a match. Look at Charlotte versus Sasha Banks, a good almost 15 minute match to top off a good conflict story line between the two. That's the difference I was referring to.