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Yea, the crowd completely zoned out this week when he gave DB the night off Monday night "in his best interest"
Are the Authority even heels (in action) at this point?
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Triple H is great on the mic and still draws major heat that way... but he's also gotten pops lately while ridiculing Orton... So I would say at the moment The Authority is riding that fence right between face and heel... now that is the kayfabe portion. IRL... HHH is a fucking egocentric heel who doesn't want to see anyone he doesn't like go over. He's slowly turning the fans against the product... then again.. maybe HHH is so vested in wrestling that the way he is backstage is just some elaborate work and he'll change his ways and start booking better and letting the fans orchestrate some of the show. Only time will tell... and I'll keep watching to find out.
I like this thread.
I'm a huge fan of the current HHH character. And I think calling the Authority heels/faces is very simplistic. It was about 15 years ago that Austin was celebrated as being the most over face in WWE despite being a heel. At that point, Vince was talking about creating characters that were neither true faces or heels, but basically shades of gray. That's the character of the Authority. We're supposed to hate them as heels because they're the Authority, but they really don't do a lot of heelish activity. DZ's right to say that they're basically faces except when it comes to being condescending to Daniel Bryan.
I'm also bothered by the idea that the smarmy, "best for business", condescending, smart HHH could revert back to being the snarling, maniacal, sledgehammer-wielding HHH. I like his current incarnation much more.
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I'm a huge fan of the current HHH character. And I think calling the Authority heels/faces is very simplistic. It was about 15 years ago that Austin was celebrated as being the most over face in WWE despite being a heel. At that point, Vince was talking about creating characters that were neither true faces or heels, but basically shades of gray. That's the character of the Authority. We're supposed to hate them as heels because they're the Authority, but they really don't do a lot of heelish activity. DZ's right to say that they're basically faces except when it comes to being condescending to Daniel Bryan.
I'm also bothered by the idea that the smarmy, "best for business", condescending, smart HHH could revert back to being the snarling, maniacal, sledgehammer-wielding HHH. I like his current incarnation much more.
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This has been obvious for quite some time now. In fact, I don't think it's been since October or November of last year that The Authority has actually drawn any real heat from the crowd aside from their occasional mistreatment of Daniel Bryan (which only started up again in the past few weeks, and even then, hasn't been anywhere near as bad or oppressive on him like it was last fall.)
The angle was so much better when they were oppressive leaders towards the entire roster who did what they felt were right even though it wasn't (that's what most heels as well as villains in other genres of storytelling are - characters who think their actions are 'right' and feel the ends justify the means, even if they don't.) I mean, they made us care enough about Big Show last year that nearly all of us were begging to see him finally hit HHH with the WMD, and when he did, everyone marked. Everyone marked just as much when Show cost The Shield the tag team titles. Cody also got a nice rub from being fired by HHH and then winning his job back as well as the tag team titles. Ziggler was one of the guys punished for speaking out against The Authority, so imagine how much bigger of a rub it would have been for him to spite HHH by taking the US Title off of Ambrose or something. And, of course, Daniel Bryan was more over than ever when he was going up against the machine and fighting against their per-conceived notions of what a WWE Superstar should have to look like. Point is, they really could have used the angle a to give a better rub to more guys on the roster.
So, best case scenario at this point is, they do something dastardly to remind us that HHH is in fact supposed to be a heel (screwing Bryan over in the chamber, perhaps.) I'd of still much preferred a mega heel HHH going out of control the past several months until VInce had to return to the show to inform he and Stephanie that the way they're running things is starting to cause a ruffle with the Board Of Directors and things have to change. it would have made us care a lot more to see HHH (and Stephanie) finally get their comeuppance.
The angle was so much better when they were oppressive leaders towards the entire roster who did what they felt were right even though it wasn't (that's what most heels as well as villains in other genres of storytelling are - characters who think their actions are 'right' and feel the ends justify the means, even if they don't.) I mean, they made us care enough about Big Show last year that nearly all of us were begging to see him finally hit HHH with the WMD, and when he did, everyone marked. Everyone marked just as much when Show cost The Shield the tag team titles. Cody also got a nice rub from being fired by HHH and then winning his job back as well as the tag team titles. Ziggler was one of the guys punished for speaking out against The Authority, so imagine how much bigger of a rub it would have been for him to spite HHH by taking the US Title off of Ambrose or something. And, of course, Daniel Bryan was more over than ever when he was going up against the machine and fighting against their per-conceived notions of what a WWE Superstar should have to look like. Point is, they really could have used the angle a to give a better rub to more guys on the roster.
So, best case scenario at this point is, they do something dastardly to remind us that HHH is in fact supposed to be a heel (screwing Bryan over in the chamber, perhaps.) I'd of still much preferred a mega heel HHH going out of control the past several months until VInce had to return to the show to inform he and Stephanie that the way they're running things is starting to cause a ruffle with the Board Of Directors and things have to change. it would have made us care a lot more to see HHH (and Stephanie) finally get their comeuppance.
It seems that the Authority is indecisive when it comes to being a hell/face. I enjoy their gimmick and like Triple H's mold thus far. You can't really trust them, yet at the same time, they do good things that the fans want to see, like make Orton fight DB. Their current role is very well for pushing DB to face Triple H, too. Triple H is perfect for belittling DB with his current character.
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Well, it's not like this subject (or others that I've commented on in a similar fashion) hasn't been touched upon before. Plus, I'm extremely good at figuring things out, so sue me.
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Figuring things out is "your thing" so you try to stay on top of everything by throwing lots of shit to the wall, then when it sticks you remind us how smart you are, but no mentions of when it doesn't :notsure:
Anyhow, I don't really watch much wrestling during football season, so I've only seen the last few eps of Raw. Sue me.
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Well, I rarely ever say "This will 100% happen!", it's just a matter of making the argument about why so and so makes (the most) sense and then it ends up being what happens. 99.9% of the things I've talked about in that vein have ended up happening (and I always posted about them before they happened, not after, so I can't be accused of bullshitting)... not that it's any great feat or anything considering I find wrestling one of the most predictable things out there.
I've figured out things far more complicated than wrasslin' angles, for the record. :boss:
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