ACW vs. PWA

[The Nicker]

I know I have not shown my face in the staff room yet because there was three other people from our PWA e-fed in that position and I didn't think you needed another one but now that has diminished quite a bit. Two of those other people have pretty much quit on this e-fed in realization that you will not change anything. Two role-players that just signed up for ACW have also quit because of the way it is ran.

I know that we don't own this site or the e-fed but we aren't going to be able to help you if you don't allow us to help you. We have had our e-fed going for two years in a row going on three. No stopping. We know what we're talking about.

I know that we are outsiders and that you do not want to change anything in your e-fed (because it is most definitely your's and not our's) but if there is any time to just say "yes" while the e-fed is hot the time is now because your e-fed has been around for a significantly lesser amount than our's have, and when our's ended (practically last week) we went out extremely strong and extremely hot.

For a reason not really explained we were not allowed to bring our e-fed here but the idea of helping ACW change and become a bigger and better place to role-play, all of our members jumped on this band-wagon and last week you guys had one of your most activity filled weeks ever. This week? Practically only four people are still around and not around a lot.

We want both parties to benefit from this and so far neither party is benefiting from the merger aside from myself and a couple of other people because we liked this site long before the merger was even discussed.

I say if you really do not want us to work our ideas into your e-fed and you disagree so intensely with them, why don't we make a sub-forum in here named "PWA" and have e-fed related stuff in there? That way we have full control of that, we borrow ACW wrestlers, you borrow PWA members, we can not lose role-players and very active members, and then once you see how we work maybe you can use it as proof that our ideas either don't work as well as we think, or that it works a lot better than you assumed and we can implement it into ACW and satisfy everyone involved?

This is just a suggestion. It's just something that I have noticed. Many people are leaving within a week and it is all e-fed related. I'd hate for all 15 ITR users to come here and then disappear. This could have turned out to be something absolutely phenomenal.

Please do not take any offense as I want to work with you and not at you.

 

[Pete]

Thank you Nick, but a small correction - only two PWA Staffers were here, and only one quit. I am around...for now.

Slim and Andy and I have talked, I have made suggestions and Slim has given his views. I agree with some and disagree with others. Go back and read what we've been discussing and give your take if you want.

Welcome to the staff

 

[Slim]

Okay I'll offer my reasonings.

One... I've been in a fed that has been running strong since '05... its now 2012 and it is still running strong. I know how strong feds work.

I was in no means trying to diss your fed or anything but my problem... was that our fed was NOT given a chance at all. Not one chance. We didn't even get one show done together to see how things flow. He just came in and was like... oh no we need to overhaul everything and change everything to make it just like PWA. You don't do that. You don't walk into another person's house as a guest looking to move in and tell them... oh no we are changing this, this, this, this, and that. And this was before a week. This was in a matter of 2 - 3 days. That's disrespectful. completely and utterly disrespectful.

My thing is... I want this to work but if you aren't willing to give our stuff a chance then this isn't a merger... this is you taking over what we have and it is pretty much your fed just under a different name. Its give and take... but its give and take when you give a chance. We weren't given a chance.

If I was invited, if we were invited to merge with your fed on your site... I wouldn't go in day one telling you we need to change things, we need to get rid of this thing and do things the way I'm accustomed to cause I've seen it work for years. To me... it doesn't matter that I've seen a fed go 7 years strong and still running successfully. It isn't my fed, it isn't my forum. It is YOURS. I'm a guest that was invited to come in. I'm going to see how you work things, I'm going to work with you on how you do things your way. And then AFTER trying it your way if things still seem odd I'll make a suggestion and see if we can come to an agreement and if not... I'd still continue because obviously your way works for you so I wouldn't force a change.

We're merging as in our feds are coming together under a banner. If we come under your banner... its YOUR banner so we will be doing things more your way but if we can alter it, then we can. If we can't... your way works for your people we work your way.

He wasn't willing to see things any other way other than his way. That's not merging... that's trying to overtake what isn't yours and make it yours.

I wanted to have us work well cause I knew things would be awesome if we could get together and get this thing going. But we have to work together. Not someone come in and say... pretty much our way sucks and we need to do things your way. That was a slap in the face and I don't do disrespect at all.

So if you wanna know why I couldn't agree to what Andy was suggesting to, besides all the reasons I listed in the threads, this is also another you can add to it. Our ways weren't given a chance before it was suggested that we could attempt something else. It was almost like... do it or I leave. And if that's the case... leave. Yeah we are a small fed but we were working just fine. This helps a lot but I'm not going to be pushed around and I'm certainly not going to be disrespected and told my ways are wrong and your ways are right cause you saw it work for two years in your fed and our ways weren't even given a week under your watch to work under. That's not right at all. If that's the case I might as well pack up and go and rename this PWA.

But again... this is our home... I just wanted us to have a chance to show you how we do things before suggestions were being mandated. If it was just a suggestion we could discuss it at lengths and after the show is done we see together if we can change things, if we can alter things, if we can try things differently another week and then see how to carry on from there.

I'm an open minded guy and if there is a suggestion that works better over what is happening now... We go to the better option. Its that simple. But both options MUST be given a chance before changing otherwise... it isn't right.

I want to work with all of you too. Looks good, sounds good, but you have to be willing to work with me too. Not dictate me.

 

[The Nicker]

Okay, that is fine. Wasn't trying to make you change absolutely everything but the suggestion was seeing as how you never saw our e-fed and how it worked either, it would just work fine if we had a sub-forum that had how things were the way we ran it. You can see it first hand, our members that we brought over won't leave and will continue posting in the ACW area, plus for angle purposes it could work as well.

and even if you said yes to the suggestion, I wouldn't want to start doing it until a couple of your shows were finished anyways. I'm a long-term thinker and I am not very impulsive and realize the positivism of just waiting, and that is exactly what I will do along with Pete and others. Just wanted to throw that suggestion and that thread in general out there as soon as possible especially considering there are talks that "No one role-played this week" it just doesn't seem like it is going too well.

but, we'll continue giving this a try. Thank you for the speedy reply.

 

[BDC]

Hello, Nick, Pete and especially Slim.

After talking with Slim shortly, I realized that the two feds can't sit side by side. A total merge is the only option. ANd a slow merge at that. They are playing ACW like an indy fed just getting started, like it actually is. We've been playing the PWA like the number four operation in the country with thousands showing up to the PPVS. They CAN'T stand toe to toe...

BUT the superstars can...

My offer to the story here is this:

Eric Bischoff had tried to take over the PWA and failed. He, in retaliation, used what little pull he had to sink the PWA totally. He also, out of spite, blacklisted the superstars that didn't have a contract somewhere else. THEREFORE, our superstars have no place to go because of the fear of Bischoff. Phoenix (a character I like, BTW) is indy and rebellious. She doesn't give a rat's ass what Eric Bischoff says and likes the idea of bringing these superstars in who have thousands of fans and merging them with her upstart roster. The PWA superstars have to get used to the smaller shows and starting over. The heels especially will have a lot to whine about. We can show the shows slowly gaining speed and numbers; nothing overnight, but gradual.

As for changes, I agree with Slim. A more respectful build.

What we need to concentrate on is keeping the show alive while we bring in the new talent. What does Slim need? Match writers? background help? Anything? we need to keep the blood pumping with a slight adrenaline shot! As for how fast to bring the superstars in, we need to discuss.

Also, as the title of the thread lead me to think, do we build a vs storyline? Do we bring in animousity right off the bat? Heck of a lot of heels in this fed btw. Do we come on like the face faction? Just wondering if it's an option?

Anyways, I'm here to see this go strong, period. Not going to run off and do my own thing anywhere soon or ever. I just want to know what I do to help SLim keep this puppy rollin' cause I'm feelin' some heat goin' down in this place, yup!

 

[Pete]

OR how about we play it like we're the huge corporate entity swallowing the little Indy fed, Phoenix butts heads with McMichaels, he turns heel and has everyone invade ACW and take over by force? And Phoenix tries to have her people fend us off? Culminating in a big PWA vs ACW event at a PPV with some sort of stipulation? (i.e. McMichaels leaves and Phoenix has total control if Team ACW wins, or vice versa?)

This is all storyline of course, in real life we won't be forcing ourselves upon you

 

[BDC]

OR how about we play it like we're the huge corporate entity swallowing the little Indy fed, Phoenix butts heads with McMichaels, he turns heel and has everyone invade ACW and take over by force? And Phoenix tries to have her people fend us off? Culminating in a big PWA vs ACW event at a PPV with some sort of stipulation? (i.e. McMichaels leaves and Phoenix has total control if Team ACW wins, or vice versa?)

This is all storyline of course, in real life we won't be forcing ourselves upon you

Mainly because we're merging with them and it's our superstars getting used to their format. It would make better sense the way I had it, but of course I would think that!

 

[Slim]

I would like to eventually see the big huge payoff of a PWA vs. ACW. Ya know how the WCW/WWE feud started for invasion... and then during a match you had two ECW guys randomly show up in the crowd. The match was still going... then you had the other ECW guys come down and they all teamed up against the 2 remaining WWE guys in the ring. And then you had Heyman enter the ring... that's how it could happen... which means that we can have as much time as we need to get things rolling, get a good feel for how each other works, and just let things roll. I mean of course there will be random times here and there where the two feds will butt (storyline wise) but it won't be full fledged til then. Give it that real big feel.

But yeah I'm more of a patient long term kinda guy. Slowly integrate things. Somethings can be impulsive like upping RP count. But other things need a slow feeling out process to keep a natural flow. There was some definite heat earlier but I do feel things have calmed down quite a bit as we're working towards a goal with a pace rather than trying to sprint to the end of the marathon.

We gonna make this happen, we gonna make this work, and it will be a glorious piece of art work.

 

[The Nicker]

This is ACW and ACW in this angle is going to win. However, we both need to come out of this strong. I say the ACW can all be anti-heroes that the reader can just sympathize with and realize that ACW is stronger and alive unlike PWA. PWA will be considered in the storyline as being kind of the grumpy old-man that makes his point but at the end of the day, is bitter and old. It's like the Punk vs. Cena thing too, in a way. Cena always being the underdog, just like PWA, but then PWA just like Cena has become the establishment. ACW will put PWA in their resting place.

PWA should all be very dominant heels. The whole time I think ACW should get their asses kicked as PWA had a lot of more people, many more factions, women, characters that appeared in real-life WWE television, et cetera. If we rebellious but rebellious due to numbers and an unfair amount of experience then it'll be that much sweeter when ACW wins in the end.

An idea for the pay-off event which can happen many months from now is an invasion show where every match is PWA vs. ACW, for titles, and for overall promotion points. The promotion with the most promotion points of the show wins and that promotion continues on as the other fades away or merges with the winning promotion.

Makes sense to me.

 

[Slim]

I'm liking it but I like it if sides are a little more even. PWA can have the advantage up to the big ppv but not so big that it comes off as a huge upset. ACW can get that sympathetic wanna root for the underdog feel to them cause the bigger more established guys are coming in trying to take over. They can hold off just long enough but its apparent that this is one battle that... just doesn't seem like they can do. PWA just keeps managing to get the upper hand. Here and there ACW shows that sign of life that they are in control and that they can achieve victory.

Then like the big payoff match... you gotta have the owners involved in the match. Makes it that much bigger. Just... YES!

 

[BDC]

Yeah, the PWA can be shown at odds with one another while ACW can pull together more and more
...probs is you need some of the rpers on each end to be on board. Us beatin them up a lot will seem like a bad deal unless they realize the possible pay off.

What are your thoughts, Slim?

EDIT: Well, there ya are! Cool. Yeah, a more even approach is probs better and it looks like we agree with needing some of the owners/rpers on board at least at the end.

 

[Slim]

yeah we would need to include some of them... I think. Gotta get the big players... oh yeah we gonna get the show out today right? Today has to be it... quick results?

 

[Troy]

Adding my thoughts again. We are happy to bring in changes if they are good ideas and will benefit the fed. When Slim posted the thread asking for writers Andy replied and was added as a writer. Rather than focussing on the show that was coming up he came in and posted half a dozen changes that should be made. He wasn't trying to write he was trying to takeover. As Slim said he never gave ACW a chance, any person with common sense would have at least sat through one show and seen how it all worked before offering some ideas. His approach was disrespectful and it put us on the defensive right away. Changes can and will be made if they will benefit ACW but changes would be made just for the sake of change.

As I have said a dozen times what is the rush. Why does everything need to change today? Take time to assess everything and gradually impliment the good ideas into the fed. This is a great opprotunity for everyone to redo the Invasion angle properly and yet the focus hasn't been on that cool angle but on changing everything about the fed. The good ideas can be implimented now but start working together, see how the shows run and after a few weeks when everyone starts to get a feel of things then improvements can be made.

 

[BDC]

I believe we are ALL on the same page now TROY. I apologize personally for Andy. Didn't see that little tirade coming.

I agree with the slow changes. I don't' see anything wrong with anything Slim has said. We up the caps a slight bit. We add a mid-tier belt. Work the PWA invasion story.

That simple. Everything else can wait.

But YEAH, SLIM, PLEASE GET THE QUICK RESULTS OFF TODAY!! I just had to talk your champion off the ledge. lol.

Also get a card up....any card...lol. Just keep them rping!! And then assign us matches to write for immediately. ALSO does that mean we have to grade them too? AKA assign the winners and losers or are you handling that and just telling us?

 

[BDC]

Back to topic.

We have to be careful. If we charge in there too fast, these guys are gonna riot.

So yeah, slow build is fine.

BUT, do we play this like Phoenix hired them or that they are completely uninvited?
If uninvited, they need a spokesperson....right?

Well, I may have just the character..lol...CLARISSA KING

She was our only female management character back in the PWA. And she ended up being my character. SO, I would feel right writing for her. She started out as a heel feuding with Bischoff and his thugs. She flipped to face against his heel and helped run the PWA through most of it's tenure.

So...she would be the first to actually cut a promo as the head of the PWA insurgence.

BUT first, we need some rps showing the mindset of the new REVOLUTION AKA the PWA insurgence. A few results mentioning seeing them in the audience, skulking in the background...and so forth.