Yeah, they remember him as the guy with the bird who wrestled on the under card for WWE for a few years. Usually not even capable of getting a spot on the ppv shows and then disappeared off the radar before resurfacing in the documentary "Beyond The Mat" as a sad washed up has been working in high school gym's infront of 100 people. Hardly "HALL OF FAME" material.
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Yeah, they remember him as the guy with the bird who wrestled on the under card for WWE for a few years. Usually not even capable of getting a spot on the ppv shows and then disappeared off the radar before resurfacing in the documentary "Beyond The Mat" as a sad washed up has been working in high school gym's infront of 100 people. Hardly "HALL OF FAME" material.
Airfixx
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So by your logic as long as there's undeserving crap in the HOF they may as well fill it up with such? Nice....
LOL at ANYONE in particular having to induct him....
Seriously, can ANYONE name me one vaguely memorable fued, angle or even MATCH that Koko had?
....I can't recall ever seeing him beat anybody other then the no-name jobbers on superstars and wrestling challenge.
He was the face equivalent of the Brooklyn Brawler.
Kaedon said:
C'mon big-man, you'd best have more up your sleeve than that?
First of all, you are aware that this is the WWE HOF, right? It's a kayfabe HOF. It isn't a tangible hall. It's a big gimmick just as the business it commemorates. Goodness, it doesn't matter WHO gets in because it's a very gimmicky "honor" anyway. No offense, but your taking this wayyyy to seriously. It's not like Koko is being inducted into the real Lou Thesz/Tolos museum where only the truly deserving workers get honored with that distinction.
That being said, if you are in good graces, you stand a chance of getting in. Savage is on the shit end of the stick. Vince hates the guy, he hates Vince. End of story. Vince can make a killing off the upcoming Savage DVD because it's VINCE'S PROPERTY. Warrior had to eat it. Savage is gonna have to eat it. Warrior at least is smart enough to have signed a Legends deal which entitles him to royalties from action figures and the upcoming Legends of WrestleMania game, just like Koko. But Savage and that nasty little Stephanie rumor is keeping him on the poor side of it all. But calling Koko's induction a slap in the face of Randy Savage is so far from the truth, that it appears that you don't know what your talking about. You don't like the fact that Koko got inducted, and you don't like the fact that Savage isn't in. Big deal. That's your opinion. I love Savage and fell similar to you on the issue, but you don't understand that either issue is tied to the other. You'd have to make that same argument to the 50% of legends that are in there over Savage and that's just asinine when you realize that Bruno Sanmartino and Bob Backlund (the company's longest reigning champs EVER) aren't and probably never will be inducted simply because of strained relations with the company, the same applies to the Warrior. And we could quite possibly have this same problem with the Rock once Trips and Nips take control of the company, seeing how Hunter was none to happy about Rock going into business for himself last year.
Either way, your misidentifying your problems and don't worry, Savage will be inducted into the real HOF anyways, not a Kayfabe one that doesn't really exist except on a website.
See: Greg Valentine, Terry Funk, Jimmy Valiant, Jimmy Snuka and about half the freakin WWE HOFers had careers that ended or are still going on like this. I know personally for $500 bucks Greg Valentine accepts bookings in peoples backyards in Texas. I wish I was lying. He also apparently works for coke. So, umm...Hall of Fame material is the low grade material in a business of nothing but filth.
Airfixx
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^^^I'm sorry, but no.... The guy's you mention have NOTABLE histories in the business.... What does Koko have?
I'm not gonna go stat-crazy... I'll leave wiki to do the talking.
Seriously, I'm not, pissed off, I'm just like "Whaaaaaaaat???". Up until today I'd forgotten that Koko even existed and I grew up watching WWE during his run!!!!
I'm not gonna go stat-crazy... I'll leave wiki to do the talking.
Seriously, I'm not, pissed off, I'm just like "Whaaaaaaaat???". Up until today I'd forgotten that Koko even existed and I grew up watching WWE during his run!!!!
I can not believe what Im hearing, "its a KAYFABE hall of fame"? "It doesnt mean anything"? Here, I have an idea, why dont you go up to Ric Flair and say, "you know when you cried for 20 minutes last year, yeah, that didnt mean anything. And BTW, since the entire business is fake, your whole career means nothing."
Good lord...it is a KAYFABE, FICTICIOUS HALL OF FAME. It has no physical address. It's a gimmick show.It's an extension of Vince McMahon's extensive, profit inducing video library and the company's link to fans of the past. Ric Flair's emotion wasn't because he was inducted into the WWE HOF, pal, it was because the show was his farewell and sendoff. He was weepy all weekend and how couldn't a man that meant so much to the business and had a distinguished career not weep knowing he was ending such a celebrated career. Trust me, had Flair had his final match, hypothetically, in WCW, and had such an epic sendoff, he would have wept there. Wherever. It wasn't the fact that he was inducted into THE WWE HOF. No wrestler ever had Flair's sendoff, how could he not have cried. Trust me, it wasn't about Flair being inducted into the HOF, it was ALL about The Nature Boy callin' it in for good, the induction isn't going to make him change his emotions. It was about him, his career, that's why he cried. Not because the WWE inducted him into their Hall.
There is a real, tangible, Wrestling Hall of Fame that is highly regarded and only the true vanguards of the industry are voted in, free of politics and relationships with said company: http://www.wrestlingmuseum.org/gtlthof.html
Here's another:http://www.pwhf.org/
There are a few more like the Legendary Cauliflower Alley Club have something similar. Bret Hart, when inducted, said it meant more to him than being inducted into the WWE HoF that "wasn't real".
The WWE HoF isn't really a Hall as much as it is a collection of legendary wrestlers whom they own basically all the video footage of and with whom they have a stable, professional relationship with. It certainly isn't the be all-end all of HoFs, that's certain. So people shouldn't get all bent out of shape about a popular, talented jobber gets inducted into a Hall that isn't a Hall and a superior wrestler didn't. Take some enjoyment in the fact that Randy Savage is inducted into REAL HoFs that REALLY exist, just because he was a bad ass worker instead of who he knew. Jeez.
I wasn't saying those dudes were jobbers, I meant to point out that those guys ended or are now just like Koko in the fact that they are past washed up and wrestle in front of pitiful crowds. No joke about Valentine, dude is a fuckin bum.
There is a real, tangible, Wrestling Hall of Fame that is highly regarded and only the true vanguards of the industry are voted in, free of politics and relationships with said company: http://www.wrestlingmuseum.org/gtlthof.html
Here's another:http://www.pwhf.org/
There are a few more like the Legendary Cauliflower Alley Club have something similar. Bret Hart, when inducted, said it meant more to him than being inducted into the WWE HoF that "wasn't real".
The WWE HoF isn't really a Hall as much as it is a collection of legendary wrestlers whom they own basically all the video footage of and with whom they have a stable, professional relationship with. It certainly isn't the be all-end all of HoFs, that's certain. So people shouldn't get all bent out of shape about a popular, talented jobber gets inducted into a Hall that isn't a Hall and a superior wrestler didn't. Take some enjoyment in the fact that Randy Savage is inducted into REAL HoFs that REALLY exist, just because he was a bad ass worker instead of who he knew. Jeez.
I wasn't saying those dudes were jobbers, I meant to point out that those guys ended or are now just like Koko in the fact that they are past washed up and wrestle in front of pitiful crowds. No joke about Valentine, dude is a fuckin bum.
But according to you its all fake, so his tears were meaningless. "Meant so much to the business" you mean the "fake" business? With the "fake" Hall Of Fame made up by its "fake" greatest money making company?
i think your not reading his posts.. its the WWE HoF.. not a wrestling HOF.. a WWE one..
20 years from all the midcarders from the 80's are gonna be in there.. just because its the WWE HoF..
i've always said the only true hall of fame i consider is the Pro Wrestling Insider Hall of Fame. WWE hall of fame can go shit bricks as far as I care. PWI knows who to induct and for what reasons. Its not for personal bias.
And anyone who actually thought I seriously posted a match between Koko B. Ware and BROOKLYN BRAWLER as a valid argument towards his induction? Really needs to learn to take a sarcastic joke.
And anyone who actually thought I seriously posted a match between Koko B. Ware and BROOKLYN BRAWLER as a valid argument towards his induction? Really needs to learn to take a sarcastic joke.
Moonlight Drive
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This is a Hall of Fame with a 'Celebrity' wing which inducts 7+ guys a year.
Totally not a joke.
Totally not a joke.
Whether they are considered legit or not really isn't my problem. They can induct whoever they want. I'm just saying the only true wrestling hall of fame to me is PWI. WWE Hall of Fame will never induct Ultimate Warrior, Randy Savage, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle, or anyone else who is on bad terms with the company who deserve it. PWI just inducts people who deserve it. Period.
Airfixx
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Pretty irrelevant point then, when all that was being debated in the post you responded to was WHY the fuck a jobber like Koko is getting inducted.
C4
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If Koko can make it to the HOF, I see a Funaki highlight reel 10 years from now for his induction.
Savage isn't even in the new Legends of Wrestling game, make an arguement about that too. Savage won't get in until Vince think it's the right time.
Savage isn't even in the new Legends of Wrestling game, make an arguement about that too. Savage won't get in until Vince think it's the right time.
Thank you thrice. Once for reading. Again for comprehension. And a third for backing my argument.
Kaedon, I don't know how else I can make it clearer to you. The memories, the emotion that poured fourth was raw emotion due to the celebration of a career that lasted 30 years. Only a few other wrestlers in history can even compare their careers to Flair's, yet not one has EVER received the sendoff Flair got. Not one. single. wrestler. Can you imagine how that can feel to someone who meant so much to the business? If this isn't working for you try this: The Washington Wizards gave Michael Jordan an amazing farewell in his last game and he cried. Do you think it was because the Washington Wizards gave him due respect or the fact that the man regarded by many to be the best in his biz for so many years realized it was the last time he'd perform? Understand??
I doubt you do, because the point that your trying to establish is that it was his induction into the WWE HOF that made him cry for so long. Yah. That's it. 16 world titles, top draw during the final hurrah for the territory days, the mold which so many wrestlers try to force themselves into, the Horsemen, yah, NONE of that had any bearing on him, it was his induction into the WWE's Hall that brought forth ALL of that. A company he spent less than 8 years total in meant more than EVERYTHING he accomplished. Pfft...you don't get it. It doesn't matter if it's fake, a career of a bonafide legend ending in the classiest way possible in one of the filthiest industries would make anyone cry anywhere. You emphatically persist that it was his induction, but your so far from the truth it looks like your arguing for the sake of arguing. Giving due respect was the WWE HoF induction, the fans, the industry, the legacy left behind is what had the man in tears. Nothing the WWE could have given Flair would have changed his emotions. He would have been the weeping mess if he finished his career in front of 800 people at an NWA show in the backwoods of North Carolina. It was going to happen when he hung it up, it just happened to be in a WWE ring.
And it certainly doesn't matter if the industry is fake, all forms of entertainment outside of legit sports are fake and yet they have walks and Halls of Fame. I really don't know how to touch on that without people twisting words and thoughts and making invalid arguments.
Well, if you had actually read either of my posts, you'd realize I summed up Koko getting inducted in two sentences, not my entire post. I can summarize the part you failed to comprehend :Vince doesn't have a problem putting anyone into HIS HOF, because it isn't a real Hall with real qualifications to get in. If Vince owns your likeness through his extensive video library and you are on good grounds with the company and you really need a payday (i.e all the washups I mentioned) and had some small memorable role, then you will probably get in. So, your bitchin and nitpickin was irrelevant, since it really doesn't matter what these guys did in the past, they're all still in the same boat when they get inducted by the same person who decides.
I'm hoping that's sarcasm I'm detecting because there is no need to further point out the absurdity of the WWE HoF than the Celebrity "wing". It's very sad and very telling when Bruno and Bob Backlund aren't, and never will be inducted, and both of those guys should be waayyyyy ahead of Savage, Warrior, Angle and Foley anyways.
So hopefully this post kind of set things straight. People should certainly read thoroughly before they start throwin stones at a man sittin on a pile of bricks.