Final Battle 2008

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ROH World Title Match
Nigel McGuinness defends vs. Naomichi Marufuji - This match will be good i can see a ****-****1/2 performance between the 2...

Fight Without Honor
Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima - This could be the match up that could be a Kobashi/Joe of some types, That's what ROH needs at the moment. A very strong that stick in the fans memory...

Dream Tag Team Match
Jay & Mark Briscoe vs. GHC Heavyweight Champion Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima - can be good, But if titles on the line then briscoes will win.

Come Dressed As You Are- New York City Street Fight
Brent Albright, Roderick Strong, & Erick Stevens vs. Davey Richards, Eddie Edwards, & Go Shiozaki with Larry Sweeney - i dont know what to think about this.. it could go either way.. but goot street fight or a painful indy street fight

Four Corner Survival
Chris Hero vs. Jerry Lynn vs. Rhett Titus vs. ??? - meaningless 4 corner, It's got hero i guess.. It has lynn but besides going in that ring, Jerry Lynn is just flat out boring....

Special Challenge Match
Claudio Castagnoli vs. Kenny Omega - havent seen much of Omega, but it looks like from 2007-2008 claudio spot hasnt changed....
 

Qwake

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The card looks alright but there are quite a few missing but as someone said they could still have Steenerico Vs Black/Jacobs. Aries will then pretty much be left with the four corners match. I would have liked to have seen Go Vs Strong instead of throwing them in with the others to make a 6man tag match. Overall it looks like it should be quite good though.
 

Montana

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The last guy in the 4 corner will likely be Necro Butcher. The had a video where Rhett called out Necro.

Also Tyler Black vs Austin Aries has been added, for the #1 contender

So that does leave Steenerico vs. Jacobs + Delirous
 

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ROH World Title Match
Nigel McGuinness defends vs. Naomichi Marufuji

Fight Without Honor
Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima

Dream Tag Team Match
Jay & Mark Briscoe vs. GHC Heavyweight Champion Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima

World Tag Team Title Match
Kevin Steen & El Generico defend vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Delirious

#1 Contender's Match
Austin Aries vs. Tyler Black

Come Dressed As You Are- New York City Street Fight
Brent Albright, Roderick Strong, & Erick Stevens vs. Davey Richards, Eddie Edwards, & Go Shiozaki with Larry Sweeney

Four Corner Survival
Chris Hero vs. Jerry Lynn vs. Rhett Titus vs. The Necro Butcher

Special Challenge Match
Claudio Castagnoli vs. Kenny Omega

Final Card for Final Battle.
There's going to be HUGE expectations for this show, and I don't know if they can pull it off and satisfy everyone with the way booking has been lately. But it's been hyped for a long time now, so it could be the culmination of everything. I guess we'll have to see.

[I don't know if I can make it to the show, I don't feel like taking the Subway to MSG during the Christmas season. 10th Row seems like a decent view, but anywhere in the Hammerstein is fine.
 

Montana

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Tonight would be a good night for that return of a former ROH wrestler they've been hyping up. Stacked lineup this year, hopefully ROH delivers.
 

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I was out all day yesterday, so didn't have time to post what I thought. Most of you already read what other people thought, so I'll keep it short.

-I got there about 30 minutes late, missing the first 2 matches. We were too lazy to find our seats, and where we were standing was better than 10th row near the entrance stage. So we stood right under the Box Seats, the one we were at was the NOAH box (Pretty sure it was)

-Pissed that I didn't get to see Omega or Hero wrestle.

-First match I saw was Steen & Generico vs Delirious & Jacobs. Good match here, but things didn't get super exciting until the end. Afterwards, Jacobs yelled at Delirious. Sucks for AOTF.

-NYC Street fight was brutal, a really good match. Eddie Edwards has no charisma, but he's good in the ring. Strong is way smaller than the last time I saw him. Pretty cool spots with tables breaking. lots of fighting on the outside, but all of the big spots happened in the ring. I think Richards (or Strong, don't remember) did some sort of F5 off of the apron to the floor, which was sick. Go is amazing, he probably had the most personality in his team. Finish was OK, with Go tapping to the crowbar. Hopefully there's more Go Shiozaki next year.

-Sasaki & Nakajima vs the Briscoes was another good match, but it wasn't as good as the street fight. Mark was really limited in this match because of his already injured knee, so Jay did most of the work. Sasaki is an animal, but he took about 1 bump in the first half of the match. Nakajima is a beast, he's really smooth in the ring with his kicks. At one point, he did about 6 Superkicks in a row to the corner while a Briscoe was falling to the mat. I don't have a problem with the Briscoes winning, but what happened after the match means we won't see them for awhile.

-Mark was attacked after the match by the American Wolves to write him out because of his injury. Steen & Generico, and the Anti-SNS team came in for the save. Steel Cage match sounds pretty sweet, and it's the first time Cary's been mentioned in a promo ever I think. Albright is bland on the mic, he sounded so lame.

-Intermission. They're coming back 3/21, so NYC doesn't have the Anniversary show this year probably.

-Black vs Aries was good. Pretty back and forth match. They look so similar, but Black is like a foot taller. Black is ridiculously over as a face. It was a really quick paced match, and I'm surprised that Black didn't kick out of 1,000 finishers like he usually did. Aries slipped off of the apron accidentally before going for the 450.

-After the match, Jacobs came in and turned on Black. Aries got in on the beating too. Black was bloodied, and he was pwnd by Aries & Black. The fans went wild after this. I don't like this move and new direction at all, I'll talk about it later. After that, the Fan Incident happened, but I'll mention that at the bottom.

-McGuinness vs Marufuji was amazing. Some really good chain wrestling and strategy, with Nigel on the arm, and Marufuji working Nigel's neck. Marufuji did a Shiranui to the floor, and Nigel did a Tower of London to the floor in this match. It was a really hot match, everyone was into it. Nigel did 6 Lariats in the match. He really needs to find a new dramatic ending, the Rebound Lariat is lame.

-Jerry Lynn confronted Nigel, asking for a match right there. Nigel escaped through the crowd. I have a weird feeling that Lynn will win the ROH Belt, and I don't like it. They're really playing Lynn up to be a legend, and using the Wrestler movie to tell his story.

-Nana got a bigger pop than Jerry Lynn. I really want to see what they're going to do with him, maybe he's going to return as a face?

-Danielson vs Morishima was BRUTAL, probably the best match I've seen in the past 6 months. Everyone knew Dragon was going to win with the match as a main event, but it still was crazy. The way both of them hit each other was just unreal, there weren't any strikes that were pulled. Both of them fought back throughout the match. Morishima is just a beast, and how he was able to keep up in the match was nice to see. Towards the end of the match, Takeshi brought out a chain, but he got tied up in it by Danielson. With the chain behind his back, Morishima still was killing Danielson with big boots and knee drops. Danielson coming back was great, and the 20 Elbows with the chain was brutal. Great, great match.

Other Stuff/Fans
-These 3 fans were kicked out next to the entrance ramp during the Briscoes match. They pissed Strong off after his match, so that's why they got kicked out. I remember them from all of the past shows I've been to, and they've said the same stuff every time. Sucks for them, because they weren't even the worst fans, they actually were having fun, not being malicious like other idiots.

-The Aries incident with the fan was unreal. I saw a little bit of what happened and how the stuff started. The idiot was smaller than Aries from what I saw, so that means he's tiny. He was talking shit about Aries the whole show, and probably said something personal that set Aries off. Aries was standing on the ramp, being a heel, mocking the fans. I saw the fan lean over the guardrail far, and he struck Aries. That's all I saw, because everyone stood up and the students/security came rushing to the entrance ramp. I did see Paul Turner run to break things up, but not how he took Aries down.
-The fan was an idiot. And he's an idiot if he's pressing charges, because if you provoke someone by hitting them, you'd better expect that you're going to get hit back. What an idiot.

-Ernie Osiris passed by the aisle a couple of times, and he was in complete character, which was pretty funny.

-Go Shiozaki and Eddie Edwards watched the second half of the show from the back. One thing I noticed about Go is that he's always watching and studying matches, even back at his debut at Eye of the Storm.

-Chris Hero has an awesome beard. It's weird seeing more than half of the ROH Roster with some type of beard, I want to see some more variety.

-Cary Silkin was all over during the show.
 

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obviously from reading about all the after the match antics with fans you can tell Aries and Jacobs didnt leave together. I dont think it was a case of Aries joining the AOTF just two guys who hate Tyler putting the boots to him. Delirious and Jimmy didnt leave together after their incident but Jimmy didnt kick him out of the group or anything like that. as for the rest,real good show by ROH last night. I was never concerned that it wouldnt be with all the talent on hand but with a new booking style and leader you never know. with the new year coming up Pearce's booking plans and style should be fleshed out even more. cheap heat by Claudio wearing the Sox jersey. I do believe he wore it in Boston when he was a face though so at least it wasnt totally out of nowhere. Omega looks solid,he brings some different moves and is smooth in the ring. I wonder where he goes from here? Lynn gets the well deserved W. man Hero is sucky,most of those strikes either dont connect well or dont look like there is anything behind them. Titus was ok,solid but could be a little faster. tag title defense was solid. i never thought the champs were in danger but it was good to see Steen overcome the injured knee. in the six man street fight lots of outside action especially early,everyone looked good IMO, especially Albright and Davey. to complete a stellar year the Briscoes beat Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima after almost getting squashed for the better part of the match. Sasake no sold more that early 90's Undertaker,after seeing the previous nights match i wasnt surprised by the way this one went. just glad Jay and Mark could put together something at the end. real good action here. steel cage warfare is on again. id think the didnt want it on this show because it was already loaded. could the heels finally win one? Aries had been moody lately and he seemed to be getting tired of all his sacrifices and hard work getting overlooked while Tyler was getting his ass kicked so his turn wasnt a surprise. I done see him being in the AOTF(if it still exists going forward). Nigel and Marufuji followed with a real good match. Nigel tried going for the Tower of London in out of the ring a couple times before hitting it. he tried maybe four or five lariats,not connecting on the first couple. id have to think Bryan Danielson defeating Takeshi Morishima in a Fight Without Honor was everything we've all waited for. brutality by two guys who seem to hate each other. Dragon attacking before the bell,coming out of the crowd and knocking Morishima around real good all before his music ended was outstanding. i was glad Nana got a few seconds on the mic before he got taken away by security. stop being a jerk bag Bobby Cruise,let the man speak
 

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This was an amazing show. I'm so glad I went! DBD & FB are maybe the two best ROH shows I've ever been too.