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You came into a rumor thread about the RAW after WM and you didn't expect spoilers? Stop.

I'm expecting some sort of alert to tell me this. Why do you think there's a spoiler prefix. Not arguing and don't reply back then it'll just start another argument.
 

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I'm expecting some sort of alert to tell me this. Why do you think there's a spoiler prefix. Not arguing and don't reply back then it'll just start another argument.
It's called a rumor thread for a reason though. You can't just go wandering into here not expecting rumors.
 

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This is why I have a feeling that he tries to screw Bryan out of the title but somebody from the back/crowd/etc. comes out and keeps him from doing it. That way they can avoid the "HHH eating crow" in favor of "HHH blaming 'mystery guy' for the screw-up in the title match". This could also lead to Vince's return to announce that "mystery guy" is his guy and start the build for the "mystery guy'/HHH match at Summerslam.

This seems a little too fantasy-booking-y to happen, but it would be a fantastic way to go. It avoids the Triple H face turn (and therefore keeps Steph all sorts of :gusta:-worthy), it gives a kayfabe explanation for Bryan to still have the belt and someone else for Triple to get pissed at, while making this show a big deal by bringing back Vince. Awesome idea.

I read somewhere somebody suggesting that they'd leave Bo in NXT until he became the first 2X NXT Champion. This, frankly, seems silly to me. The guy's a heat magnet and would have no problem getting heat in WWE. I see him being brought in within a month or two of Mania, with the idea that he'll feud with Seth Rollins or Big E going forward (maybe he makes a Mania appearance or costs Big E the IC title shortly afterward....I don't know).

All I know is I'm a Bo-Liever :bodallas:.

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I cringe every time I read "callup" (unless it's a surefire, can't miss talent like Wyatt) after all the fun characters we've seen on NXT be called up to be worthless on the main roster. And specifically with his character, aren't you really concerned about how he'll do, how people will react, how he'll be treated, etc? If he gets called up the way he is people might be confused. Maybe they should do it like they did on NXT, they try giving him a little push as a face just for it to flop hard and give him a boatload of heat by the time he turns heel. (You know, so he doesn't turn into Emma.)

But with the majority of fans now being able to watch NXT, maybe Full Sail's rabid heat can already get him over? Who knows. All bets are off in this post-Network world. Bo-lieve in that. :bodallas:
 
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I cringe every time I read "callup" (unless it's a surefire, can't miss talent like Wyatt) after all the fun characters we've seen on NXT be called up to be worthless on the main roster. And specifically with his character, aren't you really concerned about how he'll do, how people will react, how he'll be treated, etc? If he gets called up the way he is people might be confused. Maybe they should do it like they did on NXT, they try giving him a little push as a face just for it to flop hard and give him a boatload of heat by the time he turns heel. (You know, so he doesn't turn into Emma.)

But with the majority of fans now being able to watch NXT, maybe Full Sail's rabid heat can already get him over? Who knows. All bets are off in this post-Network world. Bo-lieve in that. :bodallas:

I actually think the best way to bring him up is to rehash the old "blue chipper" gimmick they handed Rocky when he started and give him a quick "face" run as the U.S. or IC Champ, knowing how quickly the fans will shit on it.

Once they have, then you can have him play the same oblivious "I'm really a face" character he plays now. I think he's got the chops to pull it off.

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I actually think the best way to bring him up is to rehash the old "blue chipper" gimmick they handed Rocky when he started and give him a quick "face" run as the U.S. or IC Champ, knowing how quickly the fans will shit on it.

Once they have, then you can have him play the same oblivious "I'm really a face" character he plays now. I think he's got the chops to pull it off.

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Wouldn't that devalue the midcard titles even more than they are now? With the merger of the two main titles, WWE probably wants to make the midcard titles look like a stepping stone like they were back in 90s WWF. Giving it to Bo wouldn't signify anything, as he's nowhere near championship material, and although it could help set up a character, it'd do more harm than good.
 

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I actually think the best way to bring him up is to rehash the old "blue chipper" gimmick they handed Rocky when he started and give him a quick "face" run as the U.S. or IC Champ, knowing how quickly the fans will shit on it.

Once they have, then you can have him play the same oblivious "I'm really a face" character he plays now. I think he's got the chops to pull it off.

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Hahahaha, that would be hilarious.

Cole: "Here comes the Blue-Chip Athlete, Bo Dallas!"
Every fan out there in the world: "Blue-chip? This guy? LOL!"

Then you get sick of it and hate it... and then BAM! His current character works like a charm. :bodallas:
 
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Wouldn't that devalue the midcard titles even more than they are now? With the merger of the two main titles, WWE probably wants to make the midcard titles look like a stepping stone like they were back in 90s WWF. Giving it to Bo wouldn't signify anything, as he's nowhere near championship material, and although it could help set up a character, it'd do more harm than good.

This goes back to the argument over whether it's the man who makes the title or the title that makes the man.

If they do what they "should" and use the IC as an upper midcard title while the US is simply a midcard title, then giving him an immediate run as the U.S. Champ doesn't devalue anything, especially when he's built as a guy who's a former NXT Champion. In that vein, it both allows him to showcase his talents and also builds the importance of the NXT Championship (this guy who was just NXT Champ came in and immediately took the US Title off of the long-reigning Dean Ambrose....whose de facto a face now, but whose character is still a heel.....it throws the fans a decent curveball in the mix and allows Bo to build a bit more heat off of the fact that he's the "hero" who captured the title off of a fan-popular "bad guy"). It also gives the US Title a spot on the card (something it's been lacking for a few months now) and allows Dean to move onto bigger and better things.

It's a win-win.

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This goes back to the argument over whether it's the man who makes the title or the title that makes the man.

If they do what they "should" and use the IC as an upper midcard title while the US is simply a midcard title, then giving him an immediate run as the U.S. Champ doesn't devalue anything, especially when he's built as a guy who's a former NXT Champion. In that vein, it both allows him to showcase his talents and also builds the importance of the NXT Championship (this guy who was just NXT Champ came in and immediately took the US Title off of the long-reigning Dean Ambrose....whose de facto a face now, but whose character is still a heel.....it throws the fans a decent curveball in the mix and allows Bo to build a bit more heat off of the fact that he's the "hero" who captured the title off of a fan-popular "bad guy"). It also gives the US Title a spot on the card (something it's been lacking for a few months now) and allows Dean to move onto bigger and better things.

It's a win-win.

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But how would they tie in Bo and Dean having a rivalry? It would come out of nowhere, and although it could end up with Reigns costing Ambrose the title (wouldn't make sense considering Reigns is supposed to turn face), why would Bo of all people challenge? It does get Bo a lot of heat and it does somewhat fit his NXT gimmick, but I just don't see how it'd fit storyline.
 

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But how would they tie in Bo and Dean having a rivalry? It would come out of nowhere, and although it could end up with Reigns costing Ambrose the title (wouldn't make sense considering Reigns is supposed to turn face), why would Bo of all people challenge? It does get Bo a lot of heat and it does somewhat fit his NXT gimmick, but I just don't see how it'd fit storyline.

I could go the easy route and say "It's the U.S. Title. It doesn't need a cohesive storyline.", but that's not my way.

Have Bo come out (as the "blue chipper") and have a few random matches where he goes over a few guys (Ryder, Sin Cara, maybe even a slightly higher profile guy like Curtis Axel or Kofi Kingston), then have him talk cut a promo about how Ambrose hasn't defended the U.S. Championship in a while and that it's not right that he gets to carry that prestigious title (you'd have to have him really put the belt over here, but that's just smart wrestling psychology anyway) and how at Extreme Rules (or whatever PPV's a week away), he wants to challenge Ambrose to a match for the U.S. Championship. Then I'd do something really amazing: I'd have him pin Ambrose clean after they'd had a good 10 - 12 minutes for a match (it wasn't unusual to see 10 - 12 minute matches for the European title or WCW Television title a few years back, so it shouldn't be a problem here). Have him successfully defend the title (again cleanly) against Ambrose the next Main Event or Smackdown and set him up with a longer feud against somebody who's ostensibly a face and go from there. Let him carry the belt and actually make it a plot point that he defends it regularly on Main Event and Smackdown (a defense every 3 weeks or so wouldn't be amiss, plus him participating in random tag matches or non-title matches where he continues to push how great he is and how his pedigree is so good (it legitimately is....so that's almost shoot). But he starts having to cheat a little to win (holding the tights, putting his feet on the ropes during a pin, that sort of thing). The fans'll turn on him and start hating him (or he's the next Stone Cold Steve Austin....I guess anything's possible).

Meanwhile, Ambrose starts feeling like the weak link since he got beat by the rookie for his title and (unlike it becoming a comedy angle like it did with D-Bry) his "lunatic fringe" side starts becoming bigger. As Reigns moves on to more singles matches and into the upper midcard in that way, put Ambrose as Rollins' tag partner, with Ambrose costing them matches left and right. Let Rollins show his frustration, but don't have him do anything destructive to Dean. Then, one night, Dean costs them a match and Rollins goes to "lift his spirits/tell him everything's okay" and Ambrose snaps and attacks Rollins, leaves him lying in the ring (obviously Reigns isn't out there for this match). Have Rollins confront Ambrose one-on-one (he would tell Reigns to stay in the back and this was between the two of them) and Ambrose attacks him again, this time leading to a fight, which leads to a feud between Ambrose and Rollins. There's your final dissolution of the Shield. It also works since the Shield has become looked upon as faces by the fans.

So, you've brought up a guy from NXT to the main roster and gotten him over (and rehabilitated at least some of the credibility of the U.S. Title), split the Shield into three separate parts by separating Reigns from the others and setting up a feud between Rollins and Ambrose, so you've basically pushed four guys to a higher level than the one(s) they were already on.

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I could go the easy route and say "It's the U.S. Title. It doesn't need a cohesive storyline.", but that's not my way.

Have Bo come out (as the "blue chipper") and have a few random matches where he goes over a few guys (Ryder, Sin Cara, maybe even a slightly higher profile guy like Curtis Axel or Kofi Kingston), then have him talk cut a promo about how Ambrose hasn't defended the U.S. Championship in a while and that it's not right that he gets to carry that prestigious title (you'd have to have him really put the belt over here, but that's just smart wrestling psychology anyway) and how at Extreme Rules (or whatever PPV's a week away), he wants to challenge Ambrose to a match for the U.S. Championship. Then I'd do something really amazing: I'd have him pin Ambrose clean after they'd had a good 10 - 12 minutes for a match (it wasn't unusual to see 10 - 12 minute matches for the European title or WCW Television title a few years back, so it shouldn't be a problem here). Have him successfully defend the title (again cleanly) against Ambrose the next Main Event or Smackdown and set him up with a longer feud against somebody who's ostensibly a face and go from there. Let him carry the belt and actually make it a plot point that he defends it regularly on Main Event and Smackdown (a defense every 3 weeks or so wouldn't be amiss, plus him participating in random tag matches or non-title matches where he continues to push how great he is and how his pedigree is so good (it legitimately is....so that's almost shoot). But he starts having to cheat a little to win (holding the tights, putting his feet on the ropes during a pin, that sort of thing). The fans'll turn on him and start hating him (or he's the next Stone Cold Steve Austin....I guess anything's possible).

Meanwhile, Ambrose starts feeling like the weak link since he got beat by the rookie for his title and (unlike it becoming a comedy angle like it did with D-Bry) his "lunatic fringe" side starts becoming bigger. As Reigns moves on to more singles matches and into the upper midcard in that way, put Ambrose as Rollins' tag partner, with Ambrose costing them matches left and right. Let Rollins show his frustration, but don't have him do anything destructive to Dean. Then, one night, Dean costs them a match and Rollins goes to "lift his spirits/tell him everything's okay" and Ambrose snaps and attacks Rollins, leaves him lying in the ring (obviously Reigns isn't out there for this match). Have Rollins confront Ambrose one-on-one (he would tell Reigns to stay in the back and this was between the two of them) and Ambrose attacks him again, this time leading to a fight, which leads to a feud between Ambrose and Rollins. There's your final dissolution of the Shield. It also works since the Shield has become looked upon as faces by the fans.

So, you've brought up a guy from NXT to the main roster and gotten him over (and rehabilitated at least some of the credibility of the U.S. Title), split the Shield into three separate parts by separating Reigns from the others and setting up a feud between Rollins and Ambrose, so you've basically pushed four guys to a higher level than the one(s) they were already on.

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I like your thinking, and I think that the entire storyline suggested could work, but with the dissension of the Shield happening pretty soon, how would they have enough time to make that happen. They were to split at WM, but didn't as NAO wanted to work a match with them.
 

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I like your thinking, and I think that the entire storyline suggested could work, but with the dissension of the Shield happening pretty soon, how would they have enough time to make that happen. They were to split at WM, but didn't as NAO wanted to work a match with them.

Sure, but there's nothing forcing them to break the Shield up in the next 4 - 6 weeks....although you could bring in Bo the night after Mania (this thread inspired my idea of bringing him in anyway), have him work a Raw match, a ME match, a SD match, another Raw, another ME, then on his second SD he starts calling out Ambrose. Book the match to happen on the pre-show to Extreme Rules or the next ME or SD (that's actually where I would do it....let SD become the place where the US Title is defended.....again, that's what I would do).

Shield stays together through Payback, there's no problem there. Remember, we're now looking at 7 hours of "fresh" television per week (not counting the fact that Bo could have matches, even as U.S. Champion, on NXT) and a good 3 or 4 of those hours could/should be centered around the concept of building your future Superstars, of which Reigns, Rollins, and Ambrose are three. So, your Rollins-Ambrose tag team could be having matches on ME, Superstars, and Smackdown, and maybe even have them go fight a match against a tag team in NXT (I bet the two of them could have a hell of a match against the Ascension). Everybody wins.

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This is why I have a feeling that he tries to screw Bryan out of the title but somebody from the back/crowd/etc. comes out and keeps him from doing it. That way they can avoid the "HHH eating crow" in favor of "HHH blaming 'mystery guy' for the screw-up in the title match". This could also lead to Vince's return to announce that "mystery guy" is his guy and start the build for the "mystery guy'/HHH match at Summerslam.

I'd prefer if someone didn't. This whole thing has been Bryan's fight from the start and no one has ever come out to help him before (even when he was getting demolished by Triple H while handcuffed), why would they start now? I like the idea of Bryan persevering and beating all the odds entirely on his own.

I will say though that if CM Punk made a surprise entrance and ran out and saved Bryan from suffering the wrath of another screw job at the hands of The Authority, that would surely be something. Not that I'm in any way, shape or form expecting it (nor hoping for it), but the crowd reaction it would incite would be unimaginable. It would also make complete sense within the context of the angle considering Punk was feuding with The Authority when he was last seen on-screen.
 

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Sure, but there's nothing forcing them to break the Shield up in the next 4 - 6 weeks....although you could bring in Bo the night after Mania (this thread inspired my idea of bringing him in anyway), have him work a Raw match, a ME match, a SD match, another Raw, another ME, then on his second SD he starts calling out Ambrose. Book the match to happen on the pre-show to Extreme Rules or the next ME or SD (that's actually where I would do it....let SD become the place where the US Title is defended.....again, that's what I would do).

Shield stays together through Payback, there's no problem there. Remember, we're now looking at 7 hours of "fresh" television per week (not counting the fact that Bo could have matches, even as U.S. Champion, on NXT) and a good 3 or 4 of those hours could/should be centered around the concept of building your future Superstars, of which Reigns, Rollins, and Ambrose are three. So, your Rollins-Ambrose tag team could be having matches on ME, Superstars, and Smackdown, and maybe even have them go fight a match against a tag team in NXT (I bet the two of them could have a hell of a match against the Ascension). Everybody wins.

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Yeah but WWE has been strongly pushing the dissension of the shield, and I imagine it will finally end on a raw episode before Extreme Rules. Therefore I can't catch onto the theory.
 

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I'd prefer if someone didn't. This whole thing has been Bryan's fight from the start and no one has ever come out to help him before (even when he was getting demolished by Triple H while handcuffed), why would they start now? I like the idea of Bryan persevering and beating all the odds entirely on his own.

I will say though that if CM Punk made a surprise entrance and ran out and saved Bryan from suffering the wrath of another screw job at the hands of The Authority, that would surely be something. Not that I'm in any way, shape or form expecting it (nor hoping for it), but the crowd reaction it would incite would be unimaginable. It would also make complete sense within the context of the angle considering Punk was feuding with The Authority when he was last seen on-screen.

It's WrestleMania, no interference or screwjobs or bullshit is needed. We've had enough in the last year. The only way to send the crowd home entirely happy is if Bryan wins both matches clean. Why would you want Punk overshadowing Bryan's moment?
 
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It's WrestleMania, no interference or screwjobs or bullshit is needed. We've had enough in the last year. The only way to send the crowd home entirely happy is if Bryan wins both matches clean. Why would you want Punk overshadowing Bryan's moment?

I wouldn't. I said myself that Bryan needs to win this thing on his own, I'm just being hypothetical and saying that IF someone interfered on Bryan's behalf, Punk would be the best choice (but also the most unrealistic.)