Hunter vs Bryan: How interested are you?
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For those who think there's no way Bryan would go over HHH at Mania, that's just not a smart thought process.
If Punk were taking on HHH at Mania, it would probably be HHH going over (which is reportedly one of the things Punk left over), but it would lead to a longer feud between the two as, from a storyline perspective, it would really be the first or second act of the feud and there's no reason to let the good guy win at that point. A Punk/HHH match would most likely start a feud that doesn't culminate until Summerslam. If it's Bryan, though, since there's already plenty of backstory between HHH and Bryan, it feels more like the last act and it's probable that Mania is the culmination of the feud (not to mention the fact that Bryan "lost" his last feud against the Wyatts to build up their momentum), which would mean it was far more likely that HHH loses the match to Bryan, ending the feud. Because, WWE's a morality tale, which means that, in the end, the good guy has to win most of the time and especially in the major story arcs.
wk
If Punk were taking on HHH at Mania, it would probably be HHH going over (which is reportedly one of the things Punk left over), but it would lead to a longer feud between the two as, from a storyline perspective, it would really be the first or second act of the feud and there's no reason to let the good guy win at that point. A Punk/HHH match would most likely start a feud that doesn't culminate until Summerslam. If it's Bryan, though, since there's already plenty of backstory between HHH and Bryan, it feels more like the last act and it's probable that Mania is the culmination of the feud (not to mention the fact that Bryan "lost" his last feud against the Wyatts to build up their momentum), which would mean it was far more likely that HHH loses the match to Bryan, ending the feud. Because, WWE's a morality tale, which means that, in the end, the good guy has to win most of the time and especially in the major story arcs.
wk
It's 50/50 IMO. Logic suggests that Bryan would go over, but logic doesn't always mean all that much in WWE. HHH has put over a few people at Wrestlemania, but not always. He put over Cena, but look at Booker T. It all depends on how much potential they see in Bryan. The only way HHH will put him over is if they intend to turn him into a maineventer moneymaker, which is still uncertain. Storytelling has nothing to do with it, really.
As for the OP, I'm not really interested. I'm interested, but there's plenty other things I'd rather see for DB.
I'm for it if it has a satisfying conclusion to the whole Bryan vs Authority saga. If as rumoured HHH is going over I'm not sure that will play out well as storyline wise it'd be like watching Rocky and he gets knocked out in the first round.
Not too interested but I think it could be a good match, and if Bryan goes over it can't do any harm.
Fucking lol @ Adam
Fuck Bryan/Sheamus. Is that a joke?
Fucking lol @ Adam
Fuck Bryan/Sheamus. Is that a joke?
To be honest, I could see this being a huge match but the only way 'Mania is going out is if this is the main event. (By force of HHH) Daniel winning and having the whole crowd do the YES chant while he stands over HHH would be GOAT.
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I can't believe anyone actually would think Triple H is going over Bryan at Wrestlemania. I wouldn't bet anything on him going over Punk either but Bryan even less so because Bryan has much more to gain from a victory over Hunter than Punk does/did. Regardless of what people have to say about HHH, he has put many people over at Wrestlemania before. He gave Benoit his biggest moment ever, he made the fuck out of Batista and he helped even further cement John Cena as the new flagship star for years to come. Sure, he's won plenty of times too, but everybody has to win sometime lol. His Wrestlemania record of 8-9 already has him at more losses than wins, and if he had lost all the times when people thought he should have (Booker T. at 19, Orton at 25, Sheamus 26), his record would currently be 5-12, which would be a ridiculous record for someone of HHH's stature to have.
As for the match/feud itself, the build won't be as good as it would have been if it were Punk/HHH (since Punk has more of an edge as an anti-authority figure than Bryan does) but the match itself and the match result would be. Bryan/HHH will produce a better match than Punk/HHH could, plus the end result will be more interesting since this whole Authority thing began with Bryan being screwed and now Bryan putting HHH down and proving he's a star that belongs with the big dogs is how it'll all end. And Bryan should totally win by submission imo. Tapping out makes you look more like a bitch than getting pinned does, which is why even babyfaces (like HHH himself at Summerslam in 2012) get "You Tapped Out!" chants. Imagine Triple H having to hear that the next night on Raw, especially if the post-Mania Raw is held in a stadium this year (which was rumored to happen several months back.)
As for the match/feud itself, the build won't be as good as it would have been if it were Punk/HHH (since Punk has more of an edge as an anti-authority figure than Bryan does) but the match itself and the match result would be. Bryan/HHH will produce a better match than Punk/HHH could, plus the end result will be more interesting since this whole Authority thing began with Bryan being screwed and now Bryan putting HHH down and proving he's a star that belongs with the big dogs is how it'll all end. And Bryan should totally win by submission imo. Tapping out makes you look more like a bitch than getting pinned does, which is why even babyfaces (like HHH himself at Summerslam in 2012) get "You Tapped Out!" chants. Imagine Triple H having to hear that the next night on Raw, especially if the post-Mania Raw is held in a stadium this year (which was rumored to happen several months back.)
We're jaded. Hope for the worst, etc. It's not even that hard to invent doubt. HHH put a lot of people over, yes, but that was before he became 'the greatest legend of all legends' as he seems to believe himself these days. And Bryan is small, don't forget that. Bottom line, Triple H is satan. No evil is beyond him.
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To be fair, HHH's worst period when it came to not putting people over was that dreaded "reign of terror" (as many have nicknamed his WHC reign) period from 2002-2005. But even then, that was when Benoit and Batista got the rub from HHH ('04 and '05, respectively.)
On any other PPV, I can see having doubt that HHH will actually put someone over (his victory over Punk at NOC 2011 comes to mind, although to be fair, that match was rushed simply because Nash/Punk was called off due to Nash's health issues just a few weeks before) but at this point in his career - especially considering the way this whole Authority angle is obviously being built up for Triple H to lose on the big stage as heels usually do - I don't buy that HHH is going over anyone as a heel at Mania.
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I'm baffled that a "Guru" like Kevin is baffled at people thinking HHH will go over someone he shouldn't. lolol
I can respect that folks are jaded. But you also have to remember that "HHH: The Greatest Legend of All Legends" (that's how I would type that...I'm a dork) the character is built a certain way and that is to be a heel. But "HHH" is different from Paul Levesque the Chief Operating Officer and Heir Apparent to the Throne of Vince McMahon, and Levesque is a businessman who understands how to build stars in pro wrestling, just like Vince McMahon does. If the match is between HHH and Bryan (of whom Levesque and McMahon have both shown themselves to be huge fans), then the smart money is for Daniel Bryan to walk away as the victor.
HHH is Satan. Paul Levesque is in it to make money and that requires new stars to be made. And don't forget that one of Bryan's biggest supporters is Shawn Michaels, who is (both kayfabe and in real life) HHH/Paul Levesque's best friend.
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Adam and Brad, you're both right in your separate points. Mentioned earlier how little interest I'd have in this, but can at least understand why many of you are interested in it.
This is NOT going to main event, just stop. It won't even be the second-biggest match behind Batista/Orton and Taker/Lesnar. But one of the main reason it needs a #1 contenders stip is so people won't take a massive shit on Orton/Batista. If people see this as the match where the winner defends against Bryan at ER, then there's a good chance they won't have to deal with Chantamania.
This is NOT going to main event, just stop. It won't even be the second-biggest match behind Batista/Orton and Taker/Lesnar. But one of the main reason it needs a #1 contenders stip is so people won't take a massive shit on Orton/Batista. If people see this as the match where the winner defends against Bryan at ER, then there's a good chance they won't have to deal with Chantamania.
You have more faith than I do, lol. I’m well aware of the distinction between HHH and Paul Levesque, and I’m certainly aware that old Paul will always be determined to do what’s best for business – it’s that other thing you mentioned that I’m skeptical about. You said HHH/Paul understands the business and knows how to make a star, and while that’s probably true, I still have to wonder if Trips will somehow convince himself that going over Bryan might just perhaps be better for business after all. I mean, think about it. You say they want to build new stars, but they’ve had plenty of opportunities to do that over these last few years and they still haven’t done it. Not even due to failure, more like due to refusal. They don’t want to make new stars. They’re more eager to offer contracts to short term old stars, and maybe that’s the scariest thing. Batista winning the Rumble and likely headlining Wrestlemania is a perfect example of the skewed and borderline delusional business ethic that might very well leave Bryan fucked in the ass on the grandest stage of them all. After all, Triple H is a “huge star” too, right? Why should he roll over for Bryan? Couldn’t they make more money in the long run if he went over and maintained his mythical image? To perhaps headline another PPV with Brock? Think of the buys!
Ah, fuck it. I’m probably just being a mark, but I can’t shake the bad feeling. All logic and statistics suggest that HHH will do the right thing and job, I get that, but somehow that just seems ominous. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.