Yeah. They basically feel like budget Hardy Bros without interesting characters.Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Young Bucks at all. People hyped them up soooo much in the past so when I finally saw them wrestle, I was disappointed They're good wrestlers,I just find them boring.
He isn't a good wrestler. He is a great character worker though. I absolutely love the whole Fiend aesthetic and idea of a dominant super-human character.Mention of The Fiend reminds me. I have never liked Bray Wyatt in any of his incarnations. I just don't GET IT with him, I don't find him interesting or a good wrestler lmao. It baffles me
Total package I suppose is a different conversation. I do think the in ring element is Seth's strong suit. As a babyface, I like him, but he's been pretty unsuccessful if you really look at it, though you could possibly chalk that up to "fans" instinctively shitting on whoever the top face is. He's definitely better at playing the heel character. The cocky bastard thing he was doing with The Authority was great and I think The Messiah gimmick is working out really well for him as well, though I am reaching a point where I'm tired of him chalking everything up to "the greater good". Like, tell us what the grand scheme is, don't just keep saying the same vaguely messianic stuff.I agree with the finisher thing but that is definitely a WWE-thing, so I don't take marks off him from that.
Haven't noticed anything significant with his selling but will keep an eye out now that you've mentioned it.
When I say best in WWE and maybe best in the world I'm talking about the overall package - not just in-ring.
I am curious as to who you think is better than him in the WWE. Not that I'm doubting you or anything; just genuinely curious.
He was successful as the Architect in the Nexus as a face. As I said, the top face is almost always doomed to fail, and tends to be forced into cheesy nonsense.Total package I suppose is a different conversation. I do think the in ring element is Seth's strong suit. As a babyface, I like him, but he's been pretty unsuccessful if you really look at it, though you could possibly chalk that up to "fans" instinctively shitting on whoever the top face is. He's definitely better at playing the heel character. The cocky bastard thing he was doing with The Authority was great and I think The Messiah gimmick is working out really well for him as well, though I am reaching a point where I'm tired of him chalking everything up to "the greater good". Like, tell us what the grand scheme is, don't just keep saying the same vaguely messianic stuff.
But as for who I rate over Rollins in the WWE, I would have to go Daniel Bryan (#1 imo), AJ Styles, and Drew McIntyre now that he's come into his own are the only ones I would say with certainty. I would also put motivated Randy Orton and Brock Lesnar over him, but those depend on their effort level. I would put Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Cesaro, Sheamus, Ali and Aleister Black roughly on the same level as him, some maybe higher and some lower depending on the day I guess.
Well I think you and I are just on different pages when it comes to entertainment value.He was successful as the Architect in the Nexus as a face. As I said, the top face is almost always doomed to fail, and tends to be forced into cheesy nonsense.
D-Bry is a fantastic wrestler but I'm not sure he's as good a promo/charisma etc as people would have you believe. He is loved as an underdog but I think it's a bit more in the rey mysterio vein than due to him being a legitimately great charisma/talker guy. He's good, but not great at it.
I think Rollins is probably a bit better-rounded.
AJ is great and I think he's underrated a bit as a promo guy. I think he's a little less versatile though.
I'm a big Drew mark but I don't think we can say he's better, or even as good, all-round compared to Seth. This time next year maybe I'll change my mind. But Seth has been extremely relevant for many years now - it remains to be seen if Drew can stay as big a deal for as long.
Randy is a good bet. He probably beats Seth.
The way Brock is booked makes it tough for me to gauge where he should be rated.
I don't think guys like Ali and Cesaro are anywhere near Rollins tbh - they're good in-ring guys but don't offer nearly as much value in a sports entertainment context. Owens, Zayn, Sheamus, and Black are all fantastic but I think they fall a bit short of Seth. Owens probably the best of that bunch and the closes to Seth.
Yeah we'll just have to disagree on this one. I thought the Planet's Champion felt incredibly forced and boring. Whereas I have found pretty much all versions of Seth other than company face Seth to be great. I think people underrated his ability on the mic because the failed face run still lingers in their minds.Well I think you and I are just on different pages when it comes to entertainment value.
I place Daniel Bryan safely ahead Rollins in the ring or on the mic. He never feels like he's playing a role to me, it's all very organic and believable. Their face runs aren't even comparable. And I'll take Bryan as a heel in ROH or as the Planet's Champion over any incarnation of Seth.
Drew McIntyre, I wouldn't say he's as good in the ring as Rollins, but once more, he doesn't come across as forced as Rollins.
I guess that is my biggest negative for Rollins. You find him versatile and well rounded, and I really don't. I am a big fan of him and think he catches way more shit than is justified, but I can't deny that on the mic, I've often felt he falls short of what you expect from top stars. Even now with possibly the best gimmick of his career, his promos are hit and miss. Probably the best thing about his promos in the past several months are the facials and reactions he's provided when trying to destroy people's eyes. I guess I could say the same for his feud with Brock. The best thing he did outside of his wrestling was bumping his ass off in the brawls he had with Brock. I know all that sounds fairly negative but it really isn't meant to. I just find him average, maybe even slightly below average with a mic in his hand.
Never thought I would ever read that Bliss was underrated.