WWE Raw 4/11/16 April 11, 2016: Is AJ Styles our next WWE World Heavyweight Champion?

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I mean maybe not from this point forth, but he was a heel not that long ago.

Dean Ambrose is insanely over, though, so I could possibly see him not. He doesn't get mixed reactions, he's the guy.

It would be a shame as he takes crazy bumps as a heel.
Oh I didn't even mean Heel/Face thing I meant just in general don't ever change who you are Dean
 

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Anyone who gets over during any time would get over now.

98% of pro wrestling fans knew it was a work in kayfabe times.
It wasn't because of the fans, it was because promoters believed in their own protection of Kayfabe. I promise you someone in some promotion would have eventually turned Steamboat had he cut into the business after the dawn of the television and monthly PPV.
 

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Then if I hear anybody still mark out for this chump I will consider you the dumbest wrestling fan ever. Period.
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Don't worry.

You're already owning that spot.
 

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Oh I didn't even mean Heel/Face thing I meant just in general don't ever change who you are Dean
Oh, Dean ain't never gonna change. He's so over it hurts the other talent's feelings... :lmao
 

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It wasn't because of the fans, it was because promoters believed in their own protection of Kayfabe. I promise you someone in some promotion would have eventually turned Steamboat had he cut into the business after the dawn of the television and monthly PPV.
Steamboat wouldn't turn heel, he'd just go somewhere else.

Atleast kayfabe days had ring rats, now it's just fat guys stalking wrestlers in airports.
 

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I'm about Cena and how everyone's argument is he won't turn heel cause of his merch sales. I call bullshit and it's a cop out to render that the sole reason. This is the shit that makes me dislike wrestling. You don't have to complete to be the biggest company anymore cause this man makes dough. And, I am referring to Vince.

But, to say it's Vince who likely won't turn Cena heel, I call bullshit. I doubt he would change his formula that much. Yeah, the PG shit I guess. But, what is good for business is what it is. If Cena is infact the one refusing to do the flip or if anybody does that then I'd not give them big ass pushes. This business is to make money but, not at the cost of our enjoyment. So, I don't get mad when the smarks do the neckbeard thing cause I understand. Don't try and make a fool out of me and try to force me to go along with your crap if you aren't gonna do what needs to be done.

I know the ship sailed on it. But, Cena will never have my respect as a wrestler for it and he would be one of the last people I wanna see go into the Hall Of Fame or even break Ric Flair's World Title Record.
 

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They are so missing the boat with Ambrose. Dude is already over, and if they gave him the slightest of pushes with a decent storyline/Feud, he could take the place that Bryan had with the fans.

No one else is that close with the fans IMO.
 

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Steamboat wouldn't turn heel, he'd just go somewhere else.

Atleast kayfabe days had ring rats, now it's just fat guys stalking wrestlers in airports.
Steamboat wouldn't have that protect my character quirk had he not broke in when he did. If he was told by Russo, or Heyman or whoever he was turning heel to move the story forward, he would.

Well, I can't argue the fans haven't gotten worse.
 

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Sting refused to turn heel so they had Hogan do it instead. He eventually did but not while he was white hot.
 
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They are so missing the boat with Ambrose. Dude is already over, and if they gave him the slightest of pushes with a decent storyline/Feud, he could take the place that Bryan had with the fans.

No one else is that close with the fans IMO.
I don't think he's ready to carry the company as a champion, but I do agree he could be doing just a smidgen more to really push ticket sales. His match with Triple H at Roadblock had the fans baited in breath.
 

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They are so missing the boat with Ambrose. Dude is already over, and if they gave him the slightest of pushes with a decent storyline/Feud, he could take the place that Bryan had with the fans.

No one else is that close with the fans IMO.
Zayn is the only one they could get behind like Bryan other then Ambrose. DB was a heel when he started getting over though they had to turn him.
 

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Sting refused to turn heel so they had Hogan do it instead. He eventually did but not while he was white hot.
I don't think they really "pushed" him on that. He was one of many ideas they had in mind. And I think Bischoff wanted an "outsider" anyway. If Sting had been given the full court press, he would have. He had many heel turns later.
 

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Oh, and Deezy it's clear you BEEN holding the spot. Dumb smurf saying Steamboat won't turn heel. Yeah he would unlike your hard on for Cena. You clearly are a mark. lmao you always think your judgement is end all be all. I find it even funnier you actually think you are the only one who know what he is talking about.

Steamboat would just leave and go somewhere else. No, he would have been a team player unlike Cena and you are the only one who believes it. Matter of fact, you keep mentioning Steamboat as if that is even relevant. That seems to be your clutch. But, steamboat...steamboat. So, how am I a dumb wrestling fan but, you are okay with Cena remaining a face?

lol.

This is why debating with you isn't even worth it. It brings nothing to the table and it's not even based in fact, only based in personal preference and a big troll move. That's all and it's sad. Don't understand it.
 
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Just to say once again that I'm not just about the heel turns, I absolutely love babyface Bray Wyatt.

 
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Oh, and Deezy it's clear you BEEN holding the spot. Dumb brotha saying Steamboat won't turn heel. Yeah he would unlike your hard on for Cena. You clearly are a mark. lmao you always think your judgement is end all be all. I find it even funnier you actually think you are the only one who know what he is talking about.

Steamboat would just leave and go somewhere else. No, he would have been a team player unlike Cena and you are the only one who believes it. Matter of fact, you keep mentioning Steamboat as if that is even relevant. That seems to be your clutch. But, steamboat...steamboat. So, how am I a dumb wrestling fan but, you are okay with Cena remaining a face?

lol.
Don't know anything about Steamboat clearly.

Left territories left and right when it wasn't going his way.

LOL....Cena is the franchise, couldn't get usurped by a skinny fatass who dropped a pipebomb, then dropped the ball. Couldn't get a little man with a bad neck and a dented head over him.

Using outdated insider terms shows me how much of a stupid wrestling fan you are.

Your neckbeard is showing.