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A babyface who's booed by half the universe... he's doing his job real well.

I'm done debating this with you because you're so hypocritical. This is the argument you would and have made for why Undertaker deserves his dumb streak.

Yeah that's because I don't see things in black and white.
 

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Just so you know. Cena has only had the belt 1100 and some odd days to Flair 3000+. Flair also claims to be a 21 time champion as wwe does not recognize 5 of them. 21 greater than 16

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Just so you know. Cena has only had the belt 1100 and some odd days to Flair 3000+. Flair also claims to be a 21 time champion as wwe does not recognize 5 of them. 21 greater than 16

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I think it's actually 22, but WWE is the bearer of the record and they'll still promote the shit out of Cena "surpassing" Flair's record. And I'll be sick.
 

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I think it's actually 22, but WWE is the bearer of the record and they'll still promote the shit out of Cena "surpassing" Flair's record. And I'll be sick.

I still look at length of time held. Hell the Rock has only held the title for 380 some days not a lot.

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It isn't. The same principle. As a matter if fact a series of wins at a single PPV is nowhere near as important as Flair carrying so many companies on his back.
 

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If someone would have kept their mouth shut that would have been a great surprise return

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I still look at length of time held. He'll the Rick has only held the title for 380 some days not a lot.

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WWE and other wrestling promotions only promote individual lenght records and Falir isn't in the top 10 for any single reign.

John Cena won his first world title in 2005, no one needs to be winning world titles for 10 years straight. Even Hulk Hogan passed the torch in his ninth year.
 

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It isn't. The same principle. As a matter if fact a series of wins at a single PPV is nowhere near as important as Flair carrying so many companies on his back.

No I go by how much the person earns it. Undertaker has earned it for stealing shows night in and night out and performing his character flawlessly and making WM special. John has earned it for being the face of WWE for so long.
 

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If someone would have kept their mouth shut that would have been a great surprise return

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I'm pretty surprised that they didn't keep it a surprise. Not just his entrant, but Batista coming back in general.
 

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Hogan passed the torch a few times for those idiots to screw up or not be able to carry it well

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No I go by how much the person earns it. Undertaker has earned it for stealing shows night in and night out and performing his character flawlessly and making WM special. John has earned it for being the face of WWE for so long.
Ric Flair earned it by working numerous territories, the WWF and WCW. If you think Flair hasn't earned his place, I'm done.
 

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Ric Flair earned it by working numerous territories, the WWF and WCW. If you think Flair hasn't earned his place, I'm done.

Flair has earned it more than Taker.

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Ric Flair earned it by working numerous territories, the WWF and WCW. If you think Flair hasn't earned his place, I'm done.

I never said that holy fuck. I just said john Cena breaking his record wouldn't disrespect him.