Canada's Idiot Leader...

[Chris]

I get what you're trying to say now, but Osama couldn't have been killed easily during Bush's run otherwise, he would have.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

It was more the fact that people praise Obama for something that could have happened before his run.

 

[This Guy]

Yes, that is one good thing that he did. I feel like Obama is represented as a celebrity more than a president. He does strike me as a good person and a lot of what he says makes sense but unfortunately, he can't seem to do much which is unfortunate. He does have to comply with the Republicans if we like it or not.

In regards to Stephen Harper, I wouldn't say he's an evil man or the worst PM we've had but he isn't what we need right now. I disagree with his views and I feel that he isn't focused on youth and our community. Quebec will always be the only province in Canada that has its own stupid laws and outlook on being distinct from the rest of Canada. The topic of separation will never die and this is partially the federal government's fault. Rather than put Quebec in its place and make it clear that they cannot have their own government because they are Canadian, they give them too much control.

I agree. I also find it insane that a political party such as the bloc can be formed with its goals of using federal tax payers money to separate itself from the very country it is trying to get elected to lead. And more so that the founding members of said party were not brought up on charges of treason.

Osama was just killed under Obama's presidency. If people keep referring to that, he'll be consisered a god among presidents! Could have easily happened under Bush if they wanted.

I only say it in the same context that others have said bush killed saddam. It's not like either one of them pulled the trigger (figuratively speaking of course)

It was more the fact that people praise Obama for something that could have happened before his run.

Or more to the point would have just as likely happened at the same time, date etc had John McCain been elected president instead of Obama.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

That's basically it. Why should Obama suddenly rise in popularity because Osama was killed by Marines? Those guys should be getting all the praise in the media.

 

[Mick Donalds]

That's basically it. Why should Obama suddenly rise in popularity because Osama was killed by Marines? Those guys should be getting all the praise in the media.

The Seals don't get nearly the praise they should. It's the main stream media that is infected with an Aids-like disease called liberalism, and the predatory, thieving Democratic party that ensures the jigaboo occupying the White House gets all the praise.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

The Seals don't get nearly the praise they should. It's the main stream media that is infected with an Aids-like disease called liberalism, and the predatory, thieving Democratic party that ensures the jigaboo occupying the White House gets all the praise.

It sickens me, those guys who put their lives on the line get nothing while the dude with the swanky job get's his ego stroked. Mind you, I'm not an Obama hater, but I certainly don't praise him. Ottawa went nuts when he came to town for a visit. I saw, I didn't go nuts, I simply sat on the bench I was on and continued to read the paper.

 

[This Guy]

It sickens me, those guys who put their lives on the line get nothing while the dude with the swanky job get's his ego stroked. Mind you, I'm not an Obama hater, but I certainly don't praise him. Ottawa went nuts when he came to town for a visit. I saw, I didn't go nuts, I simply sat on the bench I was on and continued to read the paper.

The three girls who wrote and sang that song when Obama came, my parents were friends with there parents. And the oldest was only like 5 years old the last time we saw there family before they moved away.

 

[Ryan]

Maybe, but its not like he put much if any reasoning behind it. I might be assuming a lot, but my overall impression as an outsider is that the health reform has been considered one of Obama's sucess stories so far, am I wrong?

People on the other side of the politican divide often struggle to see the good in a democrate.

You're right, there was no reasoning behind what I said in that post, so allow me just to explain a few points. First of all, while I am a conservative, I am not a Facist here, I agree that there needs to be balance. The fact is, though, that this health care bill is about as transparent as a brick wall. The media touts how it will only serve to help the millions of Americans who live without health care, but because the media is so leftist, they never quite get around to saying how it will be funded. Obviously, health care can't be free because the fact is that health care is enormously expensive. A year and a half ago a two day stay in a hospital for back surgery netted a $60,000 bill for a family friend of mine. Now, I think we can all agree that $60,000 is a lot of money for almost everyone (I hate to quote occupy Wall Street because I despise them, but shall we say that's a lot of money for probably 99.95% of the population). However, not many ever realize the full cost of those bills because they're simply a formality. Insurance (if you have private insurance) or the government (if you're on Medicare or Medicaid) determines what the doctor actually gets paid. In the end, they'd be lucky to even get 10% of that bill and you'd be unfortunate to even have to pay 2%. There are people who don't have private insurance or Medicare or Medicaid and that's who this bill is supposedly for since they certainly can't pay that $60,000 (more than a year's salary for some) and as a result won't seek medical care. As I said, though, the money HAS to come from somewhere. Doctors generally like to be paid for their work and pharmaceutical companies like to be paid for their drugs. Therefore, to pay for this health care act, taxes (on programs like Medicare and my health insurance premiums) are going up and certain tax breaks are going down. My grandfather is 83 years old and has worked his whole life. He's paid into the system for years and hell, he's even served this country in Korea and now his Medicare is going to go down in order to pay for someone else's health care (Romney might say many of those he's paying for belong to the 47% and I don't entirely disagree)? How is that right that after years of busting his ass, he now has to live with a decreased standard of health care to help pay for health care for someone who can't afford it? How is it fair that my parents and I now have to pay higher premiums as well as increased taxes on our health care to pay for health care for someone who can't afford it? Did our salary go up to offset the cost of those taxes? NO! Employers will be damned if they're gonna increase salaries to offset those costs, some of which they now have to pay because they offer health care to their full time employees. I agree, coverage shouldn't be denied because of preexisting conditions, but it burns my ass that now me and my grandfather and my parents and everyone else who has private insurance or Medicare has to pay more to pay for someone else's insurance. Let me ask: who the hell is paying for my insurance? I'll answer it for you, I AM. I pay for my insurance. Insurance isn't a right and I and everyone else who has private insurance or Medicare shouldn't have to pay for someone else to have insurance. This country wasn't built on the principle of being a welfare state, but it's turning into it and it makes me sick! These damn Democrats would turn this country into a socialist state if they could but fortunately, this was the worst they could do and you know what, it's still pretty damn awful.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

The three girls who wrote and sang that song when Obama came, my parents were friends with there parents. And the oldest was only like 5 years old the last time we saw there family before they moved away.

They were THAT bad eh? :Young:

 

[This Guy]

They were THAT bad eh? :Young:

Lol no. There dad got a job that required them to move.

I don't fully understand American health care pre or post Obama care, so I can't comment on exactly how it would effect everyone there. So Ryan what you just wrote does make things a little clearer and does help me understand the republican point of view much better on the subject, (because god knows republican leaders are horrible at making there points clear). Since you seem to have a much clearer understanding of both sides of this issue my question is for avg joe citizen who currently has private health insurance with the new Obama care could he not realign his private plan to reduce his premiums and use both it and Obama care together to get the same coverage he had without increasing his total payout or at least reduce the amount of increase?

 

[Ryan]

Lol no. There dad got a job that required them to move.

I don't fully understand American health care pre or post Obama care, so I can't comment on exactly how it would effect everyone there. So Ryan what you just wrote does make things a little clearer and does help me understand the republican point of view much better on the subject, (because god knows republican leaders are horrible at making there points clear). Since you seem to have a much clearer understanding of both sides of this issue my question is for avg joe citizen who currently has private health insurance with the new Obama care could he not realign his private plan to reduce his premiums and use both it and Obama care together to get the same coverage he had without increasing his total payout or at least reduce the amount of increase?

It really does depend because many people who have private insurance have it through their employers so it's up to their employers to reduce costs and trust me, they do whenever possible. My premium just went up a bit this year when the company I get health insurance through switched policies. Private health insurance is very expensive if you aren't getting it through your employer and since that's how I have it, I'm not entirely sure about combining your private insurance with Obamacare. I know what Obamacare means for me: higher premiums and taxes. Obamacare is really meant to provide care for those who don't have insurance though, so I doubt anyone who does have it would want to take that step down. Some employers do provide very good health insurance. I know a firefighter whose health insurance is unbelievably good and he barely pays anything because it's a perk of the job as it should be for such a high risk job with a relatively low salary, but you know for someone who works a full time minimum wage job (companies are required to provide health insurance for full time employees), the health insurance coverage is barely adequate and your out of pocket costs are big so they might be better off under Obamacare. The thing is, however, that we've had Medicaid since the 60s and Medicaid is health care for those who can't afford health care. Americans have paid taxes toward Medicaid for generations so I just never thought Obamacare was necessary and that hasn't changed. There are inadequacies in every system. We can never take care of everyone, so we have to think about the greater good and I think LBJ got it right 50 years ago.

 

[This Guy]

It really does depend because many people who have private insurance have it through their employers so it's up to their employers to reduce costs and trust me, they do whenever possible. My premium just went up a bit this year when the company I get health insurance through switched policies. Private health insurance is very expensive if you aren't getting it through your employer and since that's how I have it, I'm not entirely sure about combining your private insurance with Obamacare. I know what Obamacare means for me: higher premiums and taxes. Obamacare is really meant to provide care for those who don't have insurance though, so I doubt anyone who does have it would want to take that step down. Some employers do provide very good health insurance. I know a firefighter whose health insurance is unbelievably good and he barely pays anything because it's a perk of the job as it should be for such a high risk job with a relatively low salary, but you know for someone who works a full time minimum wage job (companies are required to provide health insurance for full time employees), the health insurance coverage is barely adequate and your out of pocket costs are big so they might be better off under Obamacare. The thing is, however, that we've had Medicaid since the 60s and Medicaid is health care for those who can't afford health care. Americans have paid taxes toward Medicaid for generations so I just never thought Obamacare was necessary and that hasn't changed. There are inadequacies in every system. We can never take care of everyone, so we have to think about the greater good and I think LBJ got it right 50 years ago.

very interesting. I'll admit I still didn't fully understand all of that but it's again much clearer then before. I guess the issue is does Obama care provide some sort of benefit that Medicare was lacking? Were some without health care unable or unqualified to receive Medicare? If so then a healthcare overhaul may be in order. For if all citizens are paying taxes for Medicare then all citizens should be able to receive it. Again I don't know enough about it, but if obamacare is just a replacement of Medicare but more accessible then I don't see it as a bad thing per say. I mean yeah I'm probably spoiled by the Canadian healthcare which needs help of its own, but here we all pay taxes for basic healthcare, and we ll receive and use it. But truthfully if I was ever in a hospital for an extended time I'm not sure how I would pay for those if it wasn't for my companies benefit healthcare coverage.

 

[Keith]

You're right, there was no reasoning behind what I said in that post, so allow me just to explain a few points. First of all, while I am a conservative, I am not a Facist here, I agree that there needs to be balance. The fact is, though, that this health care bill is about as transparent as a brick wall. The media touts how it will only serve to help the millions of Americans who live without health care, but because the media is so leftist, they never quite get around to saying how it will be funded. Obviously, health care can't be free because the fact is that health care is enormously expensive. A year and a half ago a two day stay in a hospital for back surgery netted a $60,000 bill for a family friend of mine. Now, I think we can all agree that $60,000 is a lot of money for almost everyone (I hate to quote occupy Wall Street because I despise them, but shall we say that's a lot of money for probably 99.95% of the population). However, not many ever realize the full cost of those bills because they're simply a formality. Insurance (if you have private insurance) or the government (if you're on Medicare or Medicaid) determines what the doctor actually gets paid. In the end, they'd be lucky to even get 10% of that bill and you'd be unfortunate to even have to pay 2%. There are people who don't have private insurance or Medicare or Medicaid and that's who this bill is supposedly for since they certainly can't pay that $60,000 (more than a year's salary for some) and as a result won't seek medical care. As I said, though, the money HAS to come from somewhere. Doctors generally like to be paid for their work and pharmaceutical companies like to be paid for their drugs. Therefore, to pay for this health care act, taxes (on programs like Medicare and my health insurance premiums) are going up and certain tax breaks are going down. My grandfather is 83 years old and has worked his whole life. He's paid into the system for years and hell, he's even served this country in Korea and now his Medicare is going to go down in order to pay for someone else's health care (Romney might say many of those he's paying for belong to the 47% and I don't entirely disagree)? How is that right that after years of busting his ass, he now has to live with a decreased standard of health care to help pay for health care for someone who can't afford it? How is it fair that my parents and I now have to pay higher premiums as well as increased taxes on our health care to pay for health care for someone who can't afford it? Did our salary go up to offset the cost of those taxes? NO! Employers will be damned if they're gonna increase salaries to offset those costs, some of which they now have to pay because they offer health care to their full time employees. I agree, coverage shouldn't be denied because of preexisting conditions, but it burns my ass that now me and my grandfather and my parents and everyone else who has private insurance or Medicare has to pay more to pay for someone else's insurance. Let me ask: who the hell is paying for my insurance? I'll answer it for you, I AM. I pay for my insurance. Insurance isn't a right and I and everyone else who has private insurance or Medicare shouldn't have to pay for someone else to have insurance. This country wasn't built on the principle of being a welfare state, but it's turning into it and it makes me sick! These damn Democrats would turn this country into a socialist state if they could but fortunately, this was the worst they could do and you know what, it's still pretty damn awful.

Because he can afford it and they can't you have to have some sort of a system which is fair to everyone, as long as those people still get enough to foot the bill I don't see the problem.

Again I will have to bow down to you to a degree because I don't have that level of understanding, but was it not a fair comment to say that the bill has been well recieved? Thats the overall impression I get.

 

[Ryan]

Well received by less than half the country according to a poll taken prior to the bill's passing. It's not been well received on the whole.