Damn it, he just doesn't learn

[OsamaHussian]

Whoa..it turned into a WWE vs. TNA battle...again?

Face it TNmArks, WWE is and forever will be greater then TNA.

The whole worry over ratings is a tad much. In august 2007, the Neilson Rating put out there were approx 112.8 million households that they counted into their ratings. a 1.0 rating equals 1% of that 112.8.

Smackdown's 2.3 rating equalled was over 4 million viewers. Raw's 3.0 rating equals about 4.8 million viewers.

in 1998, Neilson ratings had accounted for approx. 108 million households with tv. While raw was pulling a much higher rating, it was pulling from a smaller audience. The actual number of viewers hasn't declined as bad as the ratings make it seem. Since 2002, (year for highest average rating) Raw has only dropped about 15% of their total numbers of viewership.

Their audience is staying roughly the same, it's the rise in more people watching tv that's changed.

Only major concen is WWE isn't pulling in any new viewers, but they aren't losing them either.

Correct me if I'm wrong Kaedon since you're the Ratings Master tehe.

 

[Tsaalyo Phoenix]

First its DVR and now its "ratings drop" which is it?

I thought the whole grand excuse for the ratings drop was "people DVRing it." Stick by your arguments.

Yes because the ratings have been in the 3.0 range for only May and June. Idiot.

Yes, because the ratings have been in the 3.0 range all year. Idiot.

You obviously dont work out.

You do? Fyi, i've got some weights, a rowing machine, and a treadmill in the basement. Admitedly a gym has more than that, but it's more than enough to keep fit.

Sharing intrest is different from LIKING EVERYTHING THE OTHER PERSON LIKES. How dumb are you?

Funny, my girlfriend and I share views and interests in virtually everything. I guess we're weird like that, having spent our high school years diligently studying and waiting for the perfect partner, rather than fucking sluts and shooting up. We're idiots, I know. :shifty:

Movies, getting loaded, concerts, band practice, fucking your gf, going out to dinner, going to a play, going to see a comedian, going to a sporting event, participating in a sporting event, parties, family gatherings...

Movies: Every night from 9 to 11? Wow, you must be loaded. Besides, if you really really omg wanted to see a new movie, you'd go on FRIDAY when it actually came out. Or, if it's too packed on Friday, go on the weekend. If you waited until monday, you could just as easily wait until tuesday if the RAW promised to be a good one. Unless of course you prefered to skip it so you'd have Tuesday free for ECW. :shifty: Besides, don't movies air during the other three seasons too? Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.
Getting loaded: I can't believe THIS is the level of maturity i'm debating with. I mean, christ, wow.
Concerts: Every night? You really are rich as hell, aren't you?
Band Practice: 9 to 11 pm? What instrument, the organ in a vampire's mansion?
Fucking Your GF: Lmao, I love the maturity of this kid. I think you'll find that your cock still works both before and after 9 to 11 pm. Besides, i'm fairly sure people have sex in the other three seasons too. Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.
Going out to Dinner: You eat at 9 to 11 pm? Besides, i'm fairly sure people EAT in the other three seasons too. Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.
Going to a Play: Aside from you being super rich to go to movies and concerts and plays every night, I somehow doubt the majority of RAW fans also go to see the Ice Capades.
Going to See a Comedian: Yes, because these only occur in the summer, right? Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad. Besides, how are you able to afford all these things?
Going to a Sporting Event: From 9 to 11 pm? What sport, bat hunting?
participating in a sporting event: From 9 to 11 pm? What sport, bat hunting?
Parties: Yes, because these only occur in the summer, right? Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.
Family Gatherings: Yes, because these only occur in the summer, right? Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.

God knows you cant write a paper for a summer school class....

I wouldn't know, never having actually gone to summer school. Besides, the paper was assigned monday and is due for 9 am tuesday? I somehow doubt that. Should have used the weekend, mon ami. But I guess if you planned ahead like that you wouldn't be in summer school to begin with.

Thats because more people watch Raw to begin with, no one watches TNA because TNA is bullshit.

I love how i'm called the mark here. :shifty:

workout in front of the TV LMAO

I'm assuming he meant a proper workout like in a gym with cardio machines, resistance machines, and free weights you know so you get a proper workout.
Not that dancing and prancing around music or ya ipod while you watch TV that ain't a work out so unless you have a fully loaded gym at ya house its hard to get a proper work out in front of ya TV.

No, I don't own DDR and I never will (though there was that news story of the guy who lost like 300 pounds on it). As I said, i've got a treadmill, a rowing machine, and weights in the basement. Plenty enough to keep fit, and all can be used in front of the tv. I know you're going to say "well some of us can't affort all that", and to that I say, you don't have to buy the thousand dollar machines on tv. Shop around, and you'll find you can get all three of those for a combined total of less than $400. Besides, if you're like Kaedon, going to the movies, concerts, comedy shows, plays, and out to dinner every night of the week, as well as the gym membership you apparently have now, money should be no object. :shifty:

Sorry people, summer and DVR are NOT EXCUSES. RAW is on from 9 to 11 pm on a monday night. That timeslot is used for very little in day to day life. If RAW was on the Friday Night Death Slot, then fine, plenty of good shows have gone to hell on that. But Monday night? Sorry. The only thing RAW has to blame for declining ratings is putting out a subpar product.

 

[HHHforever]

What game of little league runs from 9 to 11 pm? In fact, what kid is outside at all at those hours? I realize the sun sets later now but it's still dark then, so yeah, let's talk crappy parenting. What job requires those hours? Quit that job, you can easily get an equal paying job with hours that don't suck.

I don't know what kind of little league they play in Canada, but I got home well after 9-10 o'clock when I was in the 11-14 range and way past midnight as I moved up in the 15-18 range.

And kids play basketball a lot. They've evented these neat things called outdoor lights (which also goes back to later baseball games) which allows you to stay out past dark.

I work in the sports department for a newspaper as a writer. If you knew anything about anything you'd realize that sometimes to do what you like you don't get to work 8-4. I love my job and there's no way I'd quit just so I could watch a fucking tv show live instead of on tape. Yet again you show your complete and utter lack of intelligence.

 

[Tsaalyo Phoenix]

I don't know what kind of little league they play in Canada, but I got home well after 9-10 o'clock when I was in the 11-14 range and way past midnight as I moved up in the 15-18 range.

And kids play basketball a lot. They've evented these neat things called outdoor lights (which also goes back to later baseball games) which allows you to stay out past dark.

I work in the sports department for a newspaper as a writer. If you knew anything about anything you'd realize that sometimes to do what you like you don't get to work 8-4. I love my job and there's no way I'd quit just so I could watch a fucking tv show live instead of on tape. Yet again you show your complete and utter lack of intelligence.

I was in soccer and softball when I was younger and I was always back home before the sun set. As for your job, that's not a summer job, that's something you hold year round. The ratings aren't affected by this any more now than they were then.

 

[HHHforever]

I was in soccer and softball when I was younger and I was always back home before the sun set. As for your job, that's not a summer job, that's something you hold year round. The ratings aren't affected by this any more now than they were then.

Well like I said I don't know how they do things in Canada, I'd say over 50% of the time I got home after dark. And after I was 14 I got home after midnight on many an occassion.

Well actually it is a summer job. It could turn out to be permanent but since I still have to go to school and can't work much if at all during the school year it's a summer job.

 

[kingovkings]

No, I don't own DDR and I never will (though there was that news story of the guy who lost like 300 pounds on it). As I said, i've got a treadmill, a rowing machine, and weights in the basement. Plenty enough to keep fit, and all can be used in front of the tv. I know you're going to say "well some of us can't affort all that", and to that I say, you don't have to buy the thousand dollar machines on tv. Shop around, and you'll find you can get all three of those for a combined total of less than $400. Besides, if you're like Kaedon, going to the movies, concerts, comedy shows, plays, and out to dinner every night of the week, as well as the gym membership you apparently have now, money should be no object. :shifty:

Sorry people, summer and DVR are NOT EXCUSES. RAW is on from 9 to 11 pm on a monday night. That timeslot is used for very little in day to day life. If RAW was on the Friday Night Death Slot, then fine, plenty of good shows have gone to hell on that. But Monday night? Sorry. The only thing RAW has to blame for declining ratings is putting out a subpar product.

Well over here not many ppl unless you are loaded with cash don't have many basements, and its kinda hard to fit weights treadmill rowing machine in ya living room, bedroom etc, how ever inexpensive you can get them for

Plus i don't think it counts over here but i DVD rec raw 90% of the time because its not on till 2am over here but like i say the ratings score thingy probs only for USA i assume.

 

[Kaedon]

Yes, because the ratings have been in the 3.0 range all year. Idiot.

Actually, they have been.

You do? Fyi, i've got some weights, a rowing machine, and a treadmill in the basement. Admitedly a gym has more than that, but it's more than enough to keep fit.

There is a difference between WORKING OUT and keeping fit. If you knew anything about phsyical fittness, youd know that.

Funny, my girlfriend and I share views and interests in virtually everything. I guess we're weird like that, having spent our high school years diligently studying and waiting for the perfect partner, rather than fucking sluts and shooting up. We're idiots, I know.

Nah, you're just sheltered.

Movies: Every night from 9 to 11? Wow, you must be loaded. Besides, if you really really omg wanted to see a new movie, you'd go on FRIDAY when it actually came out. Or, if it's too packed on Friday, go on the weekend. If you waited until monday, you could just as easily wait until tuesday if the RAW promised to be a good one. Unless of course you prefered to skip it so you'd have Tuesday free for ECW. :shifty: Besides, don't movies air during the other three seasons too? Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.

Let it be known henceforth that going to see a movie on a Monday instead of watching something you like on TV means the show is automatically the shits, so sayeth the all knowing cuntrag.

Getting loaded: I can't believe THIS is the level of maturity i'm debating with. I mean, christ, wow.

And yet, you dont say im wrong

Concerts: Every night? You really are rich as hell, aren't you?

If my favorite band comes to my town on a monday or a friday, I dont care how good the show is, if I can record it, why not go to the show? TV will be there tomorrow, Tool only tours the US once every 5 fucking years.

Band Practice: 9 to 11 pm? What instrument, the organ in a vampire's mansion?

Your ignorance knows no bounds. Have you ever been in a band? Since most people WORK, go school, have kids or do ALL THREE, a lot of bands practice at night in giant practice spaces, a lot of the times in downtown areas. Christ, grow a fucking brain.

Fucking Your GF: Lmao, I love the maturity of this kid. I think you'll find that your cock still works both before and after 9 to 11 pm. Besides, i'm fairly sure people have sex in the other three seasons too. Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.

If my gf wants to fuck while wrestling is on, and I can record it, I'm choosing sex. Of course if you want to WATCH TV instead of getting laid, well thats your call.

Going out to Dinner: You eat at 9 to 11 pm? Besides, i'm fairly sure people EAT in the other three seasons too. Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.

Sometimes if I get off work late, yes. you'd know this if you had a job.

Going to a Play: Aside from you being super rich to go to movies and concerts and plays every night, I somehow doubt the majority of RAW fans also go to see the Ice Capades.

ROFL @ Ice Capades being a play :rofl1:

Going to See a Comedian: Yes, because these only occur in the summer, right? Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad. Besides, how are you able to afford all these things?

It's called a job you brainless waste of life.

Going to a Sporting Event: From 9 to 11 pm? What sport, bat hunting?
participating in a sporting event: From 9 to 11 pm? What sport, bat hunting?

Intramural Basketball, Arena Football, Baseball, REGULAR FUCK BASKETBALL, check what time the fucking NBA Finals are on tonight you twat.

Parties: Yes, because these only occur in the summer, right? Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.
Family Gatherings: Yes, because these only occur in the summer, right? Oh, sorry, I forgot, RAW has been in the 3.0 range all year. My bad.

Yep

I wouldn't know, never having actually gone to summer school. Besides, the paper was assigned monday and is due for 9 am tuesday? I somehow doubt that. Should have used the weekend, mon ami. But I guess if you planned ahead like that you wouldn't be in summer school to begin with.

Summer College isnt manditory, a lot of us did it so we could graduate in 3 years or maybe 2 instead of 4 or 5. It's called WORKING HARD instead of sitting around doing nothing like you apparently do.

 

[MikeRaw]

Roxxi, stop bitching about how you cant debate with Kaedon cause he said wasted... The fact is, wheter you like it or not, alot of wrestlign fans have stuff to do other than set the timer and wait for Raw. So ya, you keep saying "well if the show was good, people would be in for Raw"... Thats not true, because thats why they invented DVRs in the first place, so you could tape it if you couldnt make the show...
People hang out with friends, in some cases, theyre still at work, they also go to parties, watch movies, go to the movies... It can be anything, but Im betting every week, .5 of a rating is gone because of people being out and about... It doesnt have to be the same .5 million people every week, but theres millions of peopel watching WWE, and at any time, .5 percent of the viewers are probably DVRing it for one reason or another.
That goes for wwe, tna, anything...

 

[OsamaHussian]

It's easy to say that the problem is not enough wrestling, or a stale uppercard, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that assessment but its only part of the problem. The real problem seem to be that Vince, and us fans as well, want another boom period like we had in late 90's with high ratings and unprecedented attendance numbers. And to achieve that we need another breakout star that appeals to the casual market. We want another Austin or Rock or Hogan, but the fact of the matter is those men were lightning in a bottle and were in the right place at the right time. You can't really groom or manufacture that sort of success because you can never really guess what people are gonna react to. It's also true that you can never tell who's going to catch fire until you give them a shot. Anyone who saw Hogan in the early 80's, Austin in the early 90's or Rock in 95-96 could never have guessed they'd get as big as they did. Hell, I remember watching "Stunning" Steve Austin in WCW and I never would have guessed that Stone Cold was lurking around in there somewhere.

We're here regardless of what we consider ourselves (WWE fans, TNA fans, ROH fans etc...) and the fact of the matter is that it's going to take a lot to push us away. What we need to do is grow the fanbase and to do that it requires the various feds to appeal to the casual fans. Traditionally it appears that they prefer characters and storylines. They need a reason to care about whats happening, the same as any fictional television program. And it pains me to say that as I enjoy 5-star matches as much as anyone here I'm sure, but they aren't going to bring in new fans. And hardcore fans aren't enough to keep an international company profitable.

I'm going out on a limb here but I might say that there's a reason professional wrestling was only a regional thing until roughly 25 years ago. So what will change the tide for the WWE? I don't know, and frankly I don't think anyone else really does either.

The one thing I will agree with though is that the WWE needs to start experimenting again like they did during the 'Attitude Era'. Just start throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks and what doesn't. A world title win for Jeff Hardy, Kennedy or Punk would be a breath of fresh air but ratings wouldn't turn around immediately (if at all), and the WWE were smart that would only be the start.

 

[Tsaalyo Phoenix]

There is a difference between WORKING OUT and keeping fit. If you knew anything about phsyical fittness, youd know that.

Oh, you mean the people who try to look like Batista. THOSE people work out year round, not just in the summer, so this is not to blame for the ratings slump. Next.

Let it be known henceforth that going to see a movie on a Monday instead of watching something you like on TV means the show is automatically the shits, so sayeth the all knowing cuntrag.

Uh... exactly? You had Friday night and all weekend to see that movie. If it wasn't worth going to then, you can easily wait until the next night if you want to. The motivation to wait is the promise of a really good show that night.

And yet, you dont say im wrong

I feel that expressing shock and disbelief that i'm trying to debate with a man who condones doing drugs is in itself a satisfactory expression of my belief that you are wrong. People can do drugs all year, so this is not to blame for the ratings slump. Declining academic performance, rising teen pregnancy rates, and increasing number of deaths as a result of overdose or drugged up stupidity, yes, but not the ratings slump.

If my favorite band comes to my town on a monday or a friday, I dont care how good the show is, if I can record it, why not go to the show? TV will be there tomorrow, Tool only tours the US once every 5 fucking years.

If they only tour once every five years, how are concerts to blame for the ratings slump? Sometimes the best way to prove you wrong is to just let you talk.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. Have you ever been in a band? Since most people WORK, go school, have kids or do ALL THREE, a lot of bands practice at night in giant practice spaces, a lot of the times in downtown areas. Christ, grow a fucking brain.

Fairly sure band members practice year round, rather than just throwing that sax in the attic for nine months. Nothing to do with a ratings slump, guess again.

If my gf wants to fuck while wrestling is on, and I can record it, I'm choosing sex. Of course if you want to WATCH TV instead of getting laid, well thats your call.

Did you not read the second half of what I said. YOUR COCK WORKS YEAR ROUND, NOT JUST FROM 9 TO 11 PM IN THE SUMMER MONTHS. What that means is, deary me, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RATINGS SLUMP, since people can choose sex over RAW IN THE OTHER THREE SEASONS TOO. Now 'tis your turn to grow that fucking brain.

Sometimes if I get off work late, yes. you'd know this if you had a job.

And you only work in the summer? You say later that you took summer college to graduate sooner, so clearly you're out in the world now. How do you manage to only work in the summer months, thus only affecting RAW's ratings in the summer? You must have a really good paying job, being able to work only in the summer and thus only missing RAW due to work from may to september. Really, wow, give me the number of your place of employment, I wish to quit my job and apply there, what with that super awesome high pay that allows me to only work in the summer and not the other three seasons and thus only affect RAW's ratings then and never any other time.

And fyi, I do have a job, i'm an IT Assistant, which is pretty much a fancy way of saying "fixing the computers of the idiots who surfed for porn at work without an antivirus and now have a keystroke logger and 15 trojans on their computer." Between the 40 or 50 computers there, it's basically a 9 to 5 of "how the hell did you manage to do that?"

ROFL @ Ice Capades being a play

Sorry, I didn't feel like wikipedia-ing the names of plays to go to, since I, like the vast majority of people who enjoy something like professional wrestling, do not also enjoy going to watch fat drama-majors overact Shakespeare.

Intramural Basketball, Arena Football, Baseball, REGULAR FUCK BASKETBALL, check what time the fucking NBA Finals are on tonight you twat.

Pretty sure, between baseball, soccer, basketball, and hockey, professional sports are on year round. Aside from the fact that I doubt a significant number of RAW's viewers fly to San Diego or whereverthehell to watch football every monday night, the fact that these things are a year round event means that, say it with me...

THIS DOES NOT AFFECT RAW'S RATINGS IN THE SUMMER MONTHS ANY MORE THAN IT DOES IN THE OTHER THREE.

Summer College isnt manditory, a lot of us did it so we could graduate in 3 years or maybe 2 instead of 4 or 5. It's called WORKING HARD instead of sitting around doing nothing like you apparently do.

Clearly you studied very hard. Regardless of whether or not it was mandAtory, you went to summer college. Kudos. Of course, since college also occurs in the other months, and far MORESO since less people go to summer college than fall and winter college... well, you're smart, you know what i'm going to say next.

Sorry, Kaedy, summer is just not an excuse.

 

[Kaedon]

Oh, you mean the people who try to look like Batista. THOSE people work out year round, not just in the summer, so this is not to blame for the ratings slump. Next.

We are less than a month into summer. Are you dumb?

Uh... exactly? You had Friday night and all weekend to see that movie. If it wasn't worth going to then, you can easily wait until the next night if you want to. The motivation to wait is the promise of a really good show that night.

Not if you have these things called PLANS with people who dont like and dont give a fuck when wrestling is on.

I feel that expressing shock and disbelief that i'm trying to debate with a man who condones doing drugs is in itself a satisfactory expression of my belief that you are wrong. People can do drugs all year, so this is not to blame for the ratings slump. Declining academic performance, rising teen pregnancy rates, and increasing number of deaths as a result of overdose or drugged up stupidity, yes, but not the ratings slump.

Who said anything about drugs? I was talking about getting drunk :thumb_yello:

If they only tour once every five years, how are concerts to blame for the ratings slump? Sometimes the best way to prove you wrong is to just let you talk.

Yes, Tool are the only band that tours. You totally missed the point of the statement thus proving what a waste of O2 you are.

Fairly sure band members practice year round, rather than just throwing that sax in the attic for nine months. Nothing to do with a ratings slump, guess again.

Schedules change.

Did you not read the second half of what I said. YOUR COCK WORKS YEAR ROUND, NOT JUST FROM 9 TO 11 PM IN THE SUMMER MONTHS. What that means is, deary me, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RATINGS SLUMP, since people can choose sex over RAW IN THE OTHER THREE SEASONS TOO. Now 'tis your turn to grow that fucking brain.

As I said, if you want to watch wrestling instead of recording it, getting laid, and watching it a few hours later, thats your call, many people would say that getting laid > TV show.

And you only work in the summer? You say later that you took summer college to graduate sooner, so clearly you're out in the world now. How do you manage to only work in the summer months, thus only affecting RAW's ratings in the summer?

Its called 3 hours sleep.

And fyi, I do have a job, i'm an IT Assistant, which is pretty much a fancy way of saying "fixing the computers of the idiots who surfed for porn at work without an antivirus and now have a keystroke logger and 15 trojans on their computer." Between the 40 or 50 computers there, it's basically a 9 to 5 of "how the hell did you manage to do that?"

Its a fancy way of saying you do nothing.

Sorry, I didn't feel like wikipedia-ing the names of plays to go to, since I, like the vast majority of people who enjoy something like professional wrestling, do not also enjoy going to watch fat drama-majors overact Shakespeare.

Once again your ignorance is astounding. PLAYS are not just Shakespeare.

Pretty sure, between baseball, soccer, basketball, and hockey, professional sports are on year round. Aside from the fact that I doubt a significant number of RAW's viewers fly to San Diego or whereverthehell to watch football every monday night, the fact that these things are a year round event means that, say it with me...

THIS DOES NOT AFFECT RAW'S RATINGS IN THE SUMMER MONTHS ANY MORE THAN IT DOES IN THE OTHER THREE.

Not everyone who watches or plays basketball watch and play baseball. Try again.

Clearly you studied very hard. Regardless of whether or not it was mandAtory, you went to summer college. Kudos. Of course, since college also occurs in the other months, and far MORESO since less people go to summer college than fall and winter college... well, you're smart, you know what i'm going to say next.
Sorry, Kaedy, summer is just not an excuse.

Once again you seem to forget that Summer just started and the ratings have been in the 3-3.4 range for a while longer. DEEE DEEE DEEEEEEEEEEEEE:crash:

 

[chessarmy]

The way I see it, there should be NO excuse for a ratings drop. I don't care whether you are WWE, TNA, ROH, CZW, or any pro wrestling company. If less and less people are watching your product, you are in trouble and the only solution is to fix it. All these excuses about DVR's, jobs, and all that...its all bullshit. People just aren't interested in watching wrestling, and if they were, then more people would watch. The solution to this is to start taking some risks, give us some fresh fueds instead of John Cena vs Triple H again, give us some unpredictablity, some shocking moments, something we just absolulety HAVE to watch. We need something new, something fresh, and the only way to get that is if WWE starts going balls out. Vince needs to start taking more risks so his product can be must see TV again.

 

[Kaedon]

The way I see it, there should be NO excuse for a ratings drop. I don't care whether you are WWE, TNA, ROH, CZW, or any pro wrestling company. If less and less people are watching your product, you are in trouble and the only solution is to fix it. All these excuses about DVR's, jobs, and all that...its all bullshit. People just aren't interested in watching wrestling, and if they were, then more people would watch. The solution to this is to start taking some risks, give us some fresh fueds instead of John Cena vs Triple H again, give us some unpredictablity, some shocking moments, something we just absolulety HAVE to watch. We need something new, something fresh, and the only way to get that is if WWE starts going balls out. Vince needs to start taking more risks so his product can be must see TV again.

Brother do you know how ratings work? Take tonight, TNA knows that Game 4 is gonna go down, should they have changed their whole program just to try and avoid getting fans stolen to the game? Shit no. If you have a long term plan, you cant let a few drop offs in the ratings take away from that. If it fails, it fails, but say they are building to Cage vs. Angle in a huge program at the next PPV, but they go "Hey we need to do something special to keep people on us instead of game 4, lets throw Cage/Angle in an electrified steel cage match". Sure itd be a draw, but it fucks your program up.

 

[OsamaHussian]

The way I see it, there should be NO excuse for a ratings drop. I don't care whether you are WWE, TNA, ROH, CZW, or any pro wrestling company. If less and less people are watching your product, you are in trouble and the only solution is to fix it. All these excuses about DVR's, jobs, and all that...its all bullshit. People just aren't interested in watching wrestling, and if they were, then more people would watch. The solution to this is to start taking some risks, give us some fresh fueds instead of John Cena vs Triple H again, give us some unpredictablity, some shocking moments, something we just absolulety HAVE to watch. We need something new, something fresh, and the only way to get that is if WWE starts going balls out. Vince needs to start taking more risks so his product can be must see TV again.

^ You do know people have lifes outside of wrestling, right? They're not always going to tune in.

It pains me to say this because I myself love actually wrestling but if you look at the boom periods it wasn't wrestling that was packing people in it was characters and storylines. Hogan didn't deliverthe five star goods and while Austin and Rock might have been good, it was about personality over there ability to go in the ring. The NWO, Goldberg, DX. Hot storylines and characters make wrestling big.

Like I said in my other post, they need to start throwing shit against the wall and pushing anyone who shows signs of charisma, because the complaint of stale matches/headliners all over the internet IS a valid one. If John Cena/Randy Orton/or Batista were going to start another boom period, they would have done so already. Let the workers come up with their own characters again, and just start pushing anyone who can getover. (And when they start getting big on their own, don't fix them)

Anyone on that roster could be the next breakout star. No one thought Steve Austin would turn out to be STEVE AUSTIN one of thee biggest star in history of Pro Wrestling... Fuck, Chuck Palumbo could be the next big thing if they let him do his own stuff.

And if they find another big star, they can proceed to put on 2 minute matches, or 60 hour matches every week. It won't make a difference, people will tune in regardless.

 

[Rell]

Whoa, I'm moving this to the street fight section, this is gold..

How did I miss out on this :laugh2:

and Basketball > Wrestling...Lakers bitches!