after reading the story on impactwresting about wwe and vince blaming obama for the downfall of the company i noticed a lot of peeps posting replies and defending obama and hating on the chairman vince..i was a bit surprised about this..but i also noticed how someone remembered the comments mr kennedy said about obama and like that person i was a bit angry about what this idiot said. i used to be a fan of kennedy and vince but recently i noticed how stupid some wrestlers are! and for vince and some of the wwe to put blame on obama is even more stupid! i dont know about other peeps but im a left wing to the heart and im really dissapointed in what ive read about this story..comments?
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WWE Couple Back Together, Update on WWE's Problems with Obama
Sources: Daniel Pena, Wrestling Observer Newsletter
- Melina and John Morrison were together at the Hall of Fame ceremony a few weeks ago as they are once again a couple. They were put back together on the same brand at least in part as a result of their relationship.
- There have been some rumblings in recent months that Vince McMahon isn't particularly fond of United States President Barack Obama, basically saying "he's bad for business."
The latest issue of Power Slam magazine sheds some more light on McMahon's opinion of him, including a behind the scenes story from last year in which WWE television producer Kevin Dunn reprimanded anyone he saw wearing clothing or merchandise in support of the Democratic President-elect. Here is what was written:
"Dunn's philosophical overlap with Vince extends beyond wrestling.
Like the WWE Chairman, Dunn is an ultra-conservative Republican who supported George W. Bush. In 2004, Dunn earned Vince's compliments when he proudly flouted company policy to wear a giant "Bush/Cheney 2004" badge to work on the day after the election. In 2008, creative team sources allege that Dunn, ironically, had anyone who wore clothing or merchandise related to the Democratic President-elect formally reprimanded by the company. Meanwhile, sources backstage report overhearing McMahon and Dunn discussing how Obama's policies will so badly damage America's economy that periodic cuts in WWE personnel will be required in order for the company to continue to pay their multi-million-dollar executive salaries and stock dividends."
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Heh...I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Obama is a stupid quack. He makes my stomach turn, and I pray that God watches after our country and keeps everyone safe.
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In my view, it's bible thumpers like you that cause so many of the worlds problems that Obama is now attempting to put right.
From your post, I can assume that you're religion and (like many Republicans) base your vote on faith. Well, if you removed all of the religions from the world, it would, without a doubt, be a more peacful, safer and generally happier place.
It was Bush that said that he bases his foreign policy on his faith, correct?
Then again, if you believe in virgin births, talking snakes, people living until they are 800-900 years old, a man being able to live inside of a whale, the Earth being "made" 6000 years ago and all of the animals in the world fitting into one Arc, then I can see why Obama's scientificallly sound, socially concious and open minded policies would confuse you or as you put it "make your stomach turn".
Then again, maybe I've got this wrong. Maybe you are smart. If you are can you help me answer or explain these questions please?
Which God is the right one to follow?
If praying heals you, why does this never work on amputees? - Even Republicans that were sent to war by George Bush)
If God is willing to prevent evil, but not able, then he is not omnipotent.
If he able, but not willing, then he is malevolent.
If God is both able and willing, then whence cometh evil?
What part of "Do not kill your son" did God not understand? - However if God is also his son (as explained in the Bible) then wouldn't this make his death suicide - which is also a sin according to the Bible
Why does Religion always tend to be hereditary?
Why is it that if I tell you a man created one building just by saying 'Let there be a building', I am a moron. If I tell you, an invisible man created stars, planets, and animals then I am a good moral person?
And if you were wondering why I don;t believe in God, then I'll ask you, do you believe in Zeus? No? Well, now you know why i dont believe in your
God.
And remember: The greatest scientific discoveries were made by people who said "I don't know", not by people who called their ignorance God
And on my final note, I know that this will not turn into a flame war because like all good Christians, if you feel offended, you'll just turn the other cheek like the Good book tells you to...unless that's one of the parts that's not meant to be taken literally.
Which reminds me to ask, how do you know which parts God meant as literal and which ones he meant as metaphoric?
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but it is amazing how Vince and the rest of the "UPPER MGMT" of WWE and AIG, and LEHMAN BROS, etc, blame Obama for THEIR stupidity, vince is slowly doing what he didnt want to do...kill the golden goose, the bubble burst,now he has to come down to our level...pooor guy, and I agree w/the guy about the 'bible thumpers", they only watch 'rasslin for the girls...lol
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ohh i also forgot, I didnt know the earth was only 6000 years old..what ya gonna tell the egyptians? lol
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Ooooh, poor wittle Vince McMahon, he has to cut down on others' jobs so he can squeeze those last two zillion dollars into his wallet. This economic crisis is really taking its toll on him (I wonder if he realizes that it's the Bush Administration that caused the crisis in the first place?).
By the way, great post TheGameTripleMH, I totally agree. I voted for Barack Obama because I know he's doing the right stuff.
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I honestly don't have a problem with what people believe, but Vince ought to consider the fact that he has a huge liberal fan base.
I'm good for business.
I just went to a WWE House show. I just bought WWE merchandise. I am extremely liberal.
If I hear one more WWE wrestler, say anything like "Vote Republican" like Matt Striker did, or Ken Kennedy saying he wants to fight Obama, or even this crap... I'm likely to just take my ass to TNA or MMA, or anything but WWE. I make 40k per year, am 33, and I am an avid WWE viewer. Does McMahon want to lose me, and possibly hundreds of thousands of others because he had to interject politics into wrestling.
This is ugly, and should be left out of wrestling period.
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Politics and wrestling go hand in hand.
It's all very simple.....Left wing politics are about giving everyone an equal chance at the best life possible. It's about social care, fair wages, the right to good education regardless of social stature......nice politics. Right wing politics are selfish politics......race segregation, wealth at any cost, no social care, keeping the poor poor and the rich rich, the right to fire workers for no reason, good schools for the rich.....evil politics.
The Democrats are not left wing, they are middle right, whereas the Republican party are extreme right, bordering on national socialism. Both sets of politics are bad, but the Democrats are less bad. Now in contrast, Clinton was middle left, and without doubt he was the greatest American President of last 100 years at least. He tried to restore american industry and health care to pull America out of yet another economic mess left by the Republicans......and he was mainly successful.
Isn't it funny that the WWE's greatest financial success has come under a Democrat president, yet because of a Republican he is laying off staff. Obama is not an enemy of business, self dellulsion is the enemy of business, collapsing the world economy is the enemy of business, crippling social care is the enemy of business.
Republicans? I hate Republicans
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Wow? This is amazing. I can't believe how divided we are as a country and how far people have gotten to the left and to the right. I am beginning to think that politics is just evil. Lets face it. Democrats are all about taxing hard working people to death to let people who don't want to work have anything they want. I have seen these "poor" people. They live in 5 bedroom houses with Cadillac escalades and they only pay $200 in rent because they are on section 8 housing and they have no job because they are on welfare. Current Republicans are all about screwing everybody except their friends. Yes the ideologies of both are actually quite good, but the reality of both parties don't live up in anyway shape or form. It would be nice if there were a democrat that actually wanted to look out for the little homeless guy. It would be nice if there was a rebulican who actually believed that we shouldn't tax middle class people so much. But to say that either Clinton, Bush, or Obama is great is just naive. Obama is bancrupting think country. His bailout money and his stimulus money far excceds the spending of the Bush administration by far. Oh and remember that Obama was in congress during the Bush administration. He helped cause the problems we are in right now.
Religion? Who aren't you the opposite of a bible thumper. You think people who are religious are evil. You are trying to do the same thing you say you are against. How do you think the world was created? Magic? Random convergence? The bible doesn't answer every question. The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs. It also doesn't mention cats. But we know both exists. The bible doesn't say evolution doesn't happen. How do we know that the animals that Noah took on the ark didn't evolve into different species. I.E. Darwin's Finches.
Why is there so much hate in this world coming from everywhere. From every walk of life and from every point of view. We all need to take a step back and find a way to co-exist.
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Wow? This is amazing. I can't believe how divided we are as a country and how far people have gotten to the left and to the right. I am beginning to think that politics is just evil. Lets face it. Democrats are all about taxing hard working people to death to let people who don't want to work have anything they want. I have seen these "poor" people. They live in 5 bedroom houses with Cadillac escalades and they only pay $200 in rent because they are on section 8 housing and they have no job because they are on welfare. Current Republicans are all about screwing everybody except their friends. Yes the ideologies of both are actually quite good, but the reality of both parties don't live up in anyway shape or form. It would be nice if there were a democrat that actually wanted to look out for the little homeless guy. It would be nice if there was a rebulican who actually believed that we shouldn't tax middle class people so much. But to say that either Clinton, Bush, or Obama is great is just naive. Obama is bancrupting think country. His bailout money and his stimulus money far excceds the spending of the Bush administration by far. Oh and remember that Obama was in congress during the Bush administration. He helped cause the problems we are in right now.
Religion? Who aren't you the opposite of a bible thumper. You think people who are religious are evil. You are trying to do the same thing you say you are against. How do you think the world was created? Magic? Random convergence? The bible doesn't answer every question. The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs. It also doesn't mention cats. But we know both exists. The bible doesn't say evolution doesn't happen. How do we know that the animals that Noah took on the ark didn't evolve into different species. I.E. Darwin's Finches.
Why is there so much hate in this world coming from everywhere. From every walk of life and from every point of view. We all need to take a step back and find a way to co-exist.
Agreed 100%. I don't get why when something political comes on this site, everyone has to feel the need to make their politics better then anyone. So Mcmahon doesn't like Obama. Big deal. Its his opinion, I used to be a repbulician but I have since changed to a independent so I can view who I think best suits this country and then vote. And why the hell did someone bring in religion? what in the name of humanity has religion have to do with this post? Whether you are: Christian, atheist, agnostic, or muslim it doesn't matter because this is a wrestling website. If all of you people who are bashing or praising Obama feel so high about yourself then do it on a site for politics. Vince or anyone's political opinion on here isn't gonna change how they feel just because of your viewpoint. Lets have a little more maturity and grow up people.
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Wow, did I cause a stink or what?! LOL - I had no idea that would make such a buzz on this site, nor did I know that there were so many newbies I hadn't seen before. LOL
I have to agree with you, Razieltov...you're probably one of the smartest people I've seen post on here. I do not lean far right, or far left when it comes to politics...I like to stand in the middle and look at both sides of the arguments, both Democratic and Republican. Yes, I tend to lean more towards Republican views because I believe that hard work and dedication gets you more in life than people who lay back and survive on welfare. I hate welfare with a passion to be honest with you. Working in a pharmacy, it makes me sick to see everyone come in with their Medicaid cards so we the tax payers can pay for everything for them while they sit there and do nothing but bi### about it and demand more.
Sorry to hear so many negative things coming from you, Game HHH person. Answering all those questions you posed could be quite a challenge for any Christian man or woman, but this is a wrestling site and would like to keep it as such. I have many reasons for disliking Obama, though...not just the fact that I'm a Christian. I think he's a stupid as#####...I do not believe in abortion whatsoever, but he feels abortion should be legal in every stage with every method. I find it funny that a person who kills a pregnant woman can be tried for double murder, yet abortionists who kill babies on a daily basis get away scott-free every time. Talk about a sickening double-standard. Not to mention that, he is now trying to prosecute members of the office who were involved with the "torture" of known terrorists. Seriously?? They were going to kill THOUSANDS of our innocent citizens and we're the bad guys for stopping them and trying to put an end to their evil deeds?? What a dips#it. And not to mention his other recent acts of stupidity...apologizing to these other extremist communist nations for the way we've shunned them and worked to stop their torturing and murdering of people who don't bow down and kiss the evil ruler's feet? That is what disgusts me!! And have you not seen Obama's proposed budget for our country? He is running this country bankrupt faster than we can blink an eye...last I heard, it was going towards $16 trillion in debt within 4 years...over TEN times what President Bush had done, even including the war efforts in Iraq. Then, being so strapped for finances in such a rough time, he gives billions in tax payer dollars to as##### CEO's of companies like AIG that just pocket the money? Fuck him...fu## him straight up the ass. These companies are going out of business for a reason...poor business practice!! Let them burn for their own stupidites...don't let the American taxpayers keep their multi-million dollar salaries in tact. If you watch the news, even his fellow democratic partymates have been completely shocked at his insane spending and have openly stated that his way is NOT the right way to save our financial standing.
As far as McMahon is concerned...he is feeling the burn on the economy the same way everyone else is. Unfortunately, he has the same problem that the executives at AIG have...mostly referred to "head up the ass" syndrome. They feel they can do no wrong and that the people don't know what they want. Right...is that why we're turning away and going elsewhere? WWE's programming and writing has gone completely stale and moldy...that's why their profits are sinking. Fix your show, McMahon...those profits will come back, I promise! Give your customers what we want, and we'll gladly hand in our hard-earned dollars for merchandise and programs!
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Well. It's apparent to me that the Republicans in the audience need to go back to school and work on their grammar and spelling.
Secondly, Shadow1682
You're very quick to criticise (I come from outside of the US so my spelling is English, not American) Obama's spending plan but are not suggesting how he should handle the problem otherwise. I'd be interested to hear because as someone who has studies Economics at University, I believe that it will take a sstrong fiscal policy to pull the US and thus the world, out of recession.
So please - do share your economic theories on how to beat the recession without providing economic support to the companies that are going broke and if they do, will cost literally thousands of people their jobs, which in turn will hit consumer confidence, which in turn further, negatively impacts on the economy.
Thirdly, you talk about abortion.
Why is it that there is such a strong correlation (that means link) between those people who are "Pro-life" (which in the discussion of abortion also means "no-choice") and those who are very religious?
Surely of all people, those who believe that heaven is a better place than earth should be hapy for anyone who dies and goes to heaven. Afterall, does that not make them closer to God?...or Allah, or Buddah, or Zeus, or Vishnu or the tooth fairy.
Surely stopping someone from having an abortion would have a major impact on their life and thus could be considered unconstitutional for forcing someone to live their life in a certain way when they did not want to. Last I heard that was also a description from slavery.
But don't get me started on the Republican-Southern demographic philosophy correlations.
Do you also argue alongside the Texas school board for having Creation theory (and the term here is very different from the pure definition of scientific theory) as mandatory in classrooms?
No, don't answer that. I'd hate to draw you away from your pressing business of chasing those Iraqi WMDs...
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He he...no need to insult everybody's spelling and grammar on here, it's just an internet posting, not an official legal document.
Yes, I am quite quick to criticize Obama's spending plan because it's insane!! Our country has never been this far into debt before, and I can't even fathom that amount of money being spent. I'm not an expert on global economy, nor did I ever claim to be...but I can tell you that spending $16 trillion that we don't have is a bad idea. Bankrupting our government is one step closer to turning our democracy into a dictatorship. Cutting back on government spending has to be a pretty good place to start, because we all know how good government is at squandering funds, and bailing out major corporations with taxpayer money is absolutely absurd. These corporations are failing for a reason - bad business practices! Since you are so quick to think I deny evolution, I should say this...only the strong survive. These corporations like AIG are failing because they have weak leadership and no direction. Crooked men are running the companies, and it's running them out of business. You talk about buyer confidence? Why should we have confidence in a company that, when receiving the funds to help their business, pockets the cash and gives everyone the finger and still closes the business door? It's time for these companies to die and let more honest and upright businesses to take their place as the stronger dominant "animal" so to speak.
As far as the whole abortion issue goes, I wasn't making any relationship between religion and abortion. I'm asking how people can be completely two-faced on the issue. Why can one person kill a pregnant woman and be tried with double-murder, yet someone who "legally" kills an unborn fetus in an abortion clinic get away with it completely free? Yes, as a Christian...I find it wrong on so many levels. But as a man who takes responsibility for my actions...in my opinion, if you feel you are responsible enough to have sexual relations with a woman, you are standing up and saying "I take full responsibility for my actions, and if I am to get this woman pregnant, then I am willing to accept the result of my actions." The same should be held true of women (except in the case of rape, of course), they have all the right in the world to say no to sex. But yet, they take someone else's life in their hands and kill that person before they even have a chance to see the light of day. You say it's "slavery" to forbid a woman to have an abortion? What a fu##ing ignorant thing to say. What about the life of that unborn child? Who are you to decide whether or not that baby should live or die because "why not? It's better in the afterlife anyway!"
I do not have any problems with schools wanting to teach creationism and/or evolution whatsoever. I believe both happened!! Yes, the bible says that the heavens and earth were created in six days, with the day of rest happening on the seventh...but the Bible never says that was in human years. Spiritual time is completely different than that of our time here on earth. The whole "creation" process could have happened over billions of years here on earth, but we have no way of knowing that. My whole thought is, who cares?! We're here now, we were made in God's image, so why should I be so concerned about where I came from or how long it took me to be here? I'm thankful for every day I have on this earth (even the crappy ones or when I have to deal with rude people). I don't criticize you for having an atheistic view on life, nor do I criticize anyone else who choses to follow Bhuddism, Muslim Faiths, Greek Mythology, or whatever else they desire. I believe that the God in the Bible gives everyone a freedom to chose whatever they want out of life, even if that's not choosing to follow God's teaching in the Bible. Even if you think I'm stupid for thinking I'm believing in a storybook character god in Christianity, then so be it. I'd rather live my life believing that God exists and find out I'm wrong than to believe no God exists and be turned away at Heaven's gate.
As far as all of these "miracle things" you mention as in healings and the building appearing out of nowhere, that's just plain ignorant. The Bible says that God helps those who are willing to help themselves. He's not just going to miraculously make a building or a house appear out of thin air, but He will provide you with the things you need to make that building/house if you are really willing to work for it. It could come from countless small things that we never see! God tells us that we need to only follow what He says, and He will take care of the minor details. As far as the healings go, all things come by faith through believing. God sees the person we are inside and truly knows the desires of our hearts...and if we are suddenly showing love and faith to God during times of turmoil or sickness just because we need something, then that truly isn't faith and following God. We have to seek Him out every day, not just when we feel like it.
Lastly, don't be so bitter about the WMD that Bush was searching for in Iraq. Even President Bush himself admitted that they were wrong in their intelligence. I know President Bush wasn't the most perfect president, but he kept our country completely safe from any other terrorist attacks after the tragedy at 9/11 in New York City. I'd say that's a pretty good thing to have on your resumé. I know you're not a natural born citizen of the United States, but our very own men (some even 10+ years younger than me right out of high school) are out there dying to fight terrorism and keep everyone here in the US safe. You may not agree with this war or any war for that matter, but even the Bible says that sometimes peace only comes at the end of a sword. This country is what it is today because of people who were willing to stand up and die to fight tyranny and oppression...and that freedom even goes to protect people who say stupid and ignorant things like you have tonight. I'm sorry you don't agree with what I think and say, but I'm not asking you to. That's your right!! But don't go around criticizing me because you think my beliefs are stupid. Get over yourself, buddy...go have a drink and relax a little bit. And let's get back to the wrestling...that's why we're all here!!
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Actually, all of the CIA's intel was that there WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ. That's a fact. Bush and Cheney used a propaganda machine linking Saddam to to bin Laden even though both men hated each other. Saddam ran a secular government, while bin Laden is deeply religous. Them being pals is total B.S. What Bush and Cheney did in Iraq is nothing less that a war crime. Both should have been impeached and held up for trial. It's absurd to think that Clinton was given hell for lying about a damned BJ that effected only him, his wife and family, and Monica yet the Republican party turned it into a stupid witch hunt. We've lost way to many lives in Iraq, not for freedom, but for the damned cliche of freaking oil. Hell, when Saddam had nearly wiped out the Kurds, the Reagan adminstration sent over the Donald to negotiate an oil deal. Thats a fact. Hell, there's pictures of them shaking hands. And the Kurds were ALREADY murdered. No use in me even starting with Iran-Contra affair 'cause Daddy Bush did a hell of a job covering it over. Anybody with common sense knows Reagan was just a figurehead who already was suffering from dementia. People, that illness doesn't pop up over night. As for abortion there is circumstances such as a close family member of mine had a problem with the womb sac not developing right so the pregancy was terminated. Now is any religous type actually going to argue about life rights for a baby that would have been deformed and lived a horrible life. Really? Are you going to tell me they are gonna burn in hell for that? I can still hear their sobbing over making the choice. Here's an idea. How about everybody live the way they choose. If it be religous or not. If your religous then worry about your self and not your neighbor. Like I posted on my own column. THERE IS NO BLACK, OR WHITE ALL THE TIME. THERE'S ALSO A GRAY AREA. The problem I have is with Vince McMahon using political propaganda to hurt his own employees. That's not right, nor fair. Freedom is for everyone. Democrats, Republicans, or Other. I think President Obama is doing a good job considering the mess that was dropped in his lap. Bush coasted on his last few monthes before BAILING OUT WALL STREET and then hauling his ass back to Texas. The majority of Americans chose Obama. That's a fact. I think the problem is Republicans are ashamed about what has happened to our country and need somebody to blame. How about blaming yourselves. You reelected Bush and supported his position which has gotten us in the hole were in. There's several generations down the road who will still be paying for what Bush and Cheney did to this country. Obama can't fix something that took eight years to screw up. But with the right support maybe he can get us out. I wish him all the luck. And no I'm not a Democrat. I was born an American and will forever be one.
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Not to labour on a point but your arguments are not rational arguments. They assume too many facts. For example:
You say: we were made in God's image
How do you know this? If you know this to be true because it's written in the bible, then how do we know the bible to be true?
You say: I don't criticize you for having an atheistic view on life, nor do I criticize anyone else who choses to follow Bhuddism, Muslim Faiths, Greek Mythology, or whatever else they desire.
I don't mean to critisice you and apologies if it has come off like that. I just find it preposterous that anyone can say "I believe in God" with any degree of sincerity.
Question - What makes your God the "right" God?
You say: The Bible says that God helps those who are willing to help themselves. He's not just going to miraculously make a building or a house appear out of thin air, but He will provide you with the things you need to make that building/house if you are really willing to work for it. It could come from countless small things that we never see
My view is that these things are there anyway. If I wrote a book and said this, would you take me as your God? - of course not because there is no proof that I can do miracles. Same goes for any God. Where is the proof?
You say: God tells us that we need to only follow what He says, and He will take care of the minor details. As far as the healings go, all things come by faith through believing. God sees the person we are inside and truly knows the desires of our hearts...and if we are suddenly showing love and faith to God during times of turmoil or sickness just because we need something, then that truly isn't faith and following God. We have to seek Him out every day, not just when we feel like it.
I'm sure that Kim Jong Il says the same thing...funnily enough, Kim Jon Il also never "miraculously" heals amputees either. Maybe he is a God that was born at the end of a rainbow on a majestic mountainside...
Now. To bring this back to a wrestling topic, on the Impact Wrestling podcast recently I brought up a point that the creative depts of both TNA and WWE need to take into account sociology more.
Look at the debate that this republican/democrat/religious/athiest debate has had. If only any creative dept. could come up with a hardcore christian character and a hardcore athiest character, same with republican/democrat it would be awesome. The problem is that the WWE product seems to be aimed at an audience that it not yet old enough to vote or actually, effectively question religion so I'll cross my fingers for TNA.
Unfortunately, I don't think this will come around any time soon.
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- Melina and John Morrison were together at the Hall of Fame ceremony a few weeks ago as they are once again a couple. They were put back together on the same brand at least in part as a result of their relationship.
- There have been some rumblings in recent months that Vince McMahon isn't particularly fond of United States President Barack Obama, basically saying "he's bad for business."
The latest issue of Power Slam magazine sheds some more light on McMahon's opinion of him, including a behind the scenes story from last year in which WWE television producer Kevin Dunn reprimanded anyone he saw wearing clothing or merchandise in support of the Democratic President-elect. Here is what was written:
"Dunn's philosophical overlap with Vince extends beyond wrestling.
Like the WWE Chairman, Dunn is an ultra-conservative Republican who supported George W. Bush. In 2004, Dunn earned Vince's compliments when he proudly flouted company policy to wear a giant "Bush/Cheney 2004" badge to work on the day after the election. In 2008, creative team sources allege that Dunn, ironically, had anyone who wore clothing or merchandise related to the Democratic President-elect formally reprimanded by the company. Meanwhile, sources backstage report overhearing McMahon and Dunn discussing how Obama's policies will so badly damage America's economy that periodic cuts in WWE personnel will be required in order for the company to continue to pay their multi-million-dollar executive salaries and stock dividends."
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Heh...I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Obama is a stupid quack. He makes my stomach turn, and I pray that God watches after our country and keeps everyone safe.
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In my view, it's bible thumpers like you that cause so many of the worlds problems that Obama is now attempting to put right.
From your post, I can assume that you're religion and (like many Republicans) base your vote on faith. Well, if you removed all of the religions from the world, it would, without a doubt, be a more peacful, safer and generally happier place.
It was Bush that said that he bases his foreign policy on his faith, correct?
Then again, if you believe in virgin births, talking snakes, people living until they are 800-900 years old, a man being able to live inside of a whale, the Earth being "made" 6000 years ago and all of the animals in the world fitting into one Arc, then I can see why Obama's scientificallly sound, socially concious and open minded policies would confuse you or as you put it "make your stomach turn".
Then again, maybe I've got this wrong. Maybe you are smart. If you are can you help me answer or explain these questions please?
Which God is the right one to follow?
If praying heals you, why does this never work on amputees? - Even Republicans that were sent to war by George Bush)
If God is willing to prevent evil, but not able, then he is not omnipotent.
If he able, but not willing, then he is malevolent.
If God is both able and willing, then whence cometh evil?
What part of "Do not kill your son" did God not understand? - However if God is also his son (as explained in the Bible) then wouldn't this make his death suicide - which is also a sin according to the Bible
Why does Religion always tend to be hereditary?
Why is it that if I tell you a man created one building just by saying 'Let there be a building', I am a moron. If I tell you, an invisible man created stars, planets, and animals then I am a good moral person?
And if you were wondering why I don;t believe in God, then I'll ask you, do you believe in Zeus? No? Well, now you know why i dont believe in your
God.
And remember: The greatest scientific discoveries were made by people who said "I don't know", not by people who called their ignorance God
And on my final note, I know that this will not turn into a flame war because like all good Christians, if you feel offended, you'll just turn the other cheek like the Good book tells you to...unless that's one of the parts that's not meant to be taken literally.
Which reminds me to ask, how do you know which parts God meant as literal and which ones he meant as metaphoric?
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but it is amazing how Vince and the rest of the "UPPER MGMT" of WWE and AIG, and LEHMAN BROS, etc, blame Obama for THEIR stupidity, vince is slowly doing what he didnt want to do...kill the golden goose, the bubble burst,now he has to come down to our level...pooor guy, and I agree w/the guy about the 'bible thumpers", they only watch 'rasslin for the girls...lol
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ohh i also forgot, I didnt know the earth was only 6000 years old..what ya gonna tell the egyptians? lol
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Ooooh, poor wittle Vince McMahon, he has to cut down on others' jobs so he can squeeze those last two zillion dollars into his wallet. This economic crisis is really taking its toll on him (I wonder if he realizes that it's the Bush Administration that caused the crisis in the first place?).
By the way, great post TheGameTripleMH, I totally agree. I voted for Barack Obama because I know he's doing the right stuff.
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I honestly don't have a problem with what people believe, but Vince ought to consider the fact that he has a huge liberal fan base.
I'm good for business.
I just went to a WWE House show. I just bought WWE merchandise. I am extremely liberal.
If I hear one more WWE wrestler, say anything like "Vote Republican" like Matt Striker did, or Ken Kennedy saying he wants to fight Obama, or even this crap... I'm likely to just take my ass to TNA or MMA, or anything but WWE. I make 40k per year, am 33, and I am an avid WWE viewer. Does McMahon want to lose me, and possibly hundreds of thousands of others because he had to interject politics into wrestling.
This is ugly, and should be left out of wrestling period.
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Politics and wrestling go hand in hand.
It's all very simple.....Left wing politics are about giving everyone an equal chance at the best life possible. It's about social care, fair wages, the right to good education regardless of social stature......nice politics. Right wing politics are selfish politics......race segregation, wealth at any cost, no social care, keeping the poor poor and the rich rich, the right to fire workers for no reason, good schools for the rich.....evil politics.
The Democrats are not left wing, they are middle right, whereas the Republican party are extreme right, bordering on national socialism. Both sets of politics are bad, but the Democrats are less bad. Now in contrast, Clinton was middle left, and without doubt he was the greatest American President of last 100 years at least. He tried to restore american industry and health care to pull America out of yet another economic mess left by the Republicans......and he was mainly successful.
Isn't it funny that the WWE's greatest financial success has come under a Democrat president, yet because of a Republican he is laying off staff. Obama is not an enemy of business, self dellulsion is the enemy of business, collapsing the world economy is the enemy of business, crippling social care is the enemy of business.
Republicans? I hate Republicans
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Wow? This is amazing. I can't believe how divided we are as a country and how far people have gotten to the left and to the right. I am beginning to think that politics is just evil. Lets face it. Democrats are all about taxing hard working people to death to let people who don't want to work have anything they want. I have seen these "poor" people. They live in 5 bedroom houses with Cadillac escalades and they only pay $200 in rent because they are on section 8 housing and they have no job because they are on welfare. Current Republicans are all about screwing everybody except their friends. Yes the ideologies of both are actually quite good, but the reality of both parties don't live up in anyway shape or form. It would be nice if there were a democrat that actually wanted to look out for the little homeless guy. It would be nice if there was a rebulican who actually believed that we shouldn't tax middle class people so much. But to say that either Clinton, Bush, or Obama is great is just naive. Obama is bancrupting think country. His bailout money and his stimulus money far excceds the spending of the Bush administration by far. Oh and remember that Obama was in congress during the Bush administration. He helped cause the problems we are in right now.
Religion? Who aren't you the opposite of a bible thumper. You think people who are religious are evil. You are trying to do the same thing you say you are against. How do you think the world was created? Magic? Random convergence? The bible doesn't answer every question. The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs. It also doesn't mention cats. But we know both exists. The bible doesn't say evolution doesn't happen. How do we know that the animals that Noah took on the ark didn't evolve into different species. I.E. Darwin's Finches.
Why is there so much hate in this world coming from everywhere. From every walk of life and from every point of view. We all need to take a step back and find a way to co-exist.
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Wow? This is amazing. I can't believe how divided we are as a country and how far people have gotten to the left and to the right. I am beginning to think that politics is just evil. Lets face it. Democrats are all about taxing hard working people to death to let people who don't want to work have anything they want. I have seen these "poor" people. They live in 5 bedroom houses with Cadillac escalades and they only pay $200 in rent because they are on section 8 housing and they have no job because they are on welfare. Current Republicans are all about screwing everybody except their friends. Yes the ideologies of both are actually quite good, but the reality of both parties don't live up in anyway shape or form. It would be nice if there were a democrat that actually wanted to look out for the little homeless guy. It would be nice if there was a rebulican who actually believed that we shouldn't tax middle class people so much. But to say that either Clinton, Bush, or Obama is great is just naive. Obama is bancrupting think country. His bailout money and his stimulus money far excceds the spending of the Bush administration by far. Oh and remember that Obama was in congress during the Bush administration. He helped cause the problems we are in right now.
Religion? Who aren't you the opposite of a bible thumper. You think people who are religious are evil. You are trying to do the same thing you say you are against. How do you think the world was created? Magic? Random convergence? The bible doesn't answer every question. The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs. It also doesn't mention cats. But we know both exists. The bible doesn't say evolution doesn't happen. How do we know that the animals that Noah took on the ark didn't evolve into different species. I.E. Darwin's Finches.
Why is there so much hate in this world coming from everywhere. From every walk of life and from every point of view. We all need to take a step back and find a way to co-exist.
Agreed 100%. I don't get why when something political comes on this site, everyone has to feel the need to make their politics better then anyone. So Mcmahon doesn't like Obama. Big deal. Its his opinion, I used to be a repbulician but I have since changed to a independent so I can view who I think best suits this country and then vote. And why the hell did someone bring in religion? what in the name of humanity has religion have to do with this post? Whether you are: Christian, atheist, agnostic, or muslim it doesn't matter because this is a wrestling website. If all of you people who are bashing or praising Obama feel so high about yourself then do it on a site for politics. Vince or anyone's political opinion on here isn't gonna change how they feel just because of your viewpoint. Lets have a little more maturity and grow up people.
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Wow, did I cause a stink or what?! LOL - I had no idea that would make such a buzz on this site, nor did I know that there were so many newbies I hadn't seen before. LOL
I have to agree with you, Razieltov...you're probably one of the smartest people I've seen post on here. I do not lean far right, or far left when it comes to politics...I like to stand in the middle and look at both sides of the arguments, both Democratic and Republican. Yes, I tend to lean more towards Republican views because I believe that hard work and dedication gets you more in life than people who lay back and survive on welfare. I hate welfare with a passion to be honest with you. Working in a pharmacy, it makes me sick to see everyone come in with their Medicaid cards so we the tax payers can pay for everything for them while they sit there and do nothing but bi### about it and demand more.
Sorry to hear so many negative things coming from you, Game HHH person. Answering all those questions you posed could be quite a challenge for any Christian man or woman, but this is a wrestling site and would like to keep it as such. I have many reasons for disliking Obama, though...not just the fact that I'm a Christian. I think he's a stupid as#####...I do not believe in abortion whatsoever, but he feels abortion should be legal in every stage with every method. I find it funny that a person who kills a pregnant woman can be tried for double murder, yet abortionists who kill babies on a daily basis get away scott-free every time. Talk about a sickening double-standard. Not to mention that, he is now trying to prosecute members of the office who were involved with the "torture" of known terrorists. Seriously?? They were going to kill THOUSANDS of our innocent citizens and we're the bad guys for stopping them and trying to put an end to their evil deeds?? What a dips#it. And not to mention his other recent acts of stupidity...apologizing to these other extremist communist nations for the way we've shunned them and worked to stop their torturing and murdering of people who don't bow down and kiss the evil ruler's feet? That is what disgusts me!! And have you not seen Obama's proposed budget for our country? He is running this country bankrupt faster than we can blink an eye...last I heard, it was going towards $16 trillion in debt within 4 years...over TEN times what President Bush had done, even including the war efforts in Iraq. Then, being so strapped for finances in such a rough time, he gives billions in tax payer dollars to as##### CEO's of companies like AIG that just pocket the money? Fuck him...fu## him straight up the ass. These companies are going out of business for a reason...poor business practice!! Let them burn for their own stupidites...don't let the American taxpayers keep their multi-million dollar salaries in tact. If you watch the news, even his fellow democratic partymates have been completely shocked at his insane spending and have openly stated that his way is NOT the right way to save our financial standing.
As far as McMahon is concerned...he is feeling the burn on the economy the same way everyone else is. Unfortunately, he has the same problem that the executives at AIG have...mostly referred to "head up the ass" syndrome. They feel they can do no wrong and that the people don't know what they want. Right...is that why we're turning away and going elsewhere? WWE's programming and writing has gone completely stale and moldy...that's why their profits are sinking. Fix your show, McMahon...those profits will come back, I promise! Give your customers what we want, and we'll gladly hand in our hard-earned dollars for merchandise and programs!
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Well. It's apparent to me that the Republicans in the audience need to go back to school and work on their grammar and spelling.
Secondly, Shadow1682
You're very quick to criticise (I come from outside of the US so my spelling is English, not American) Obama's spending plan but are not suggesting how he should handle the problem otherwise. I'd be interested to hear because as someone who has studies Economics at University, I believe that it will take a sstrong fiscal policy to pull the US and thus the world, out of recession.
So please - do share your economic theories on how to beat the recession without providing economic support to the companies that are going broke and if they do, will cost literally thousands of people their jobs, which in turn will hit consumer confidence, which in turn further, negatively impacts on the economy.
Thirdly, you talk about abortion.
Why is it that there is such a strong correlation (that means link) between those people who are "Pro-life" (which in the discussion of abortion also means "no-choice") and those who are very religious?
Surely of all people, those who believe that heaven is a better place than earth should be hapy for anyone who dies and goes to heaven. Afterall, does that not make them closer to God?...or Allah, or Buddah, or Zeus, or Vishnu or the tooth fairy.
Surely stopping someone from having an abortion would have a major impact on their life and thus could be considered unconstitutional for forcing someone to live their life in a certain way when they did not want to. Last I heard that was also a description from slavery.
But don't get me started on the Republican-Southern demographic philosophy correlations.
Do you also argue alongside the Texas school board for having Creation theory (and the term here is very different from the pure definition of scientific theory) as mandatory in classrooms?
No, don't answer that. I'd hate to draw you away from your pressing business of chasing those Iraqi WMDs...
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He he...no need to insult everybody's spelling and grammar on here, it's just an internet posting, not an official legal document.
Yes, I am quite quick to criticize Obama's spending plan because it's insane!! Our country has never been this far into debt before, and I can't even fathom that amount of money being spent. I'm not an expert on global economy, nor did I ever claim to be...but I can tell you that spending $16 trillion that we don't have is a bad idea. Bankrupting our government is one step closer to turning our democracy into a dictatorship. Cutting back on government spending has to be a pretty good place to start, because we all know how good government is at squandering funds, and bailing out major corporations with taxpayer money is absolutely absurd. These corporations are failing for a reason - bad business practices! Since you are so quick to think I deny evolution, I should say this...only the strong survive. These corporations like AIG are failing because they have weak leadership and no direction. Crooked men are running the companies, and it's running them out of business. You talk about buyer confidence? Why should we have confidence in a company that, when receiving the funds to help their business, pockets the cash and gives everyone the finger and still closes the business door? It's time for these companies to die and let more honest and upright businesses to take their place as the stronger dominant "animal" so to speak.
As far as the whole abortion issue goes, I wasn't making any relationship between religion and abortion. I'm asking how people can be completely two-faced on the issue. Why can one person kill a pregnant woman and be tried with double-murder, yet someone who "legally" kills an unborn fetus in an abortion clinic get away with it completely free? Yes, as a Christian...I find it wrong on so many levels. But as a man who takes responsibility for my actions...in my opinion, if you feel you are responsible enough to have sexual relations with a woman, you are standing up and saying "I take full responsibility for my actions, and if I am to get this woman pregnant, then I am willing to accept the result of my actions." The same should be held true of women (except in the case of rape, of course), they have all the right in the world to say no to sex. But yet, they take someone else's life in their hands and kill that person before they even have a chance to see the light of day. You say it's "slavery" to forbid a woman to have an abortion? What a fu##ing ignorant thing to say. What about the life of that unborn child? Who are you to decide whether or not that baby should live or die because "why not? It's better in the afterlife anyway!"
I do not have any problems with schools wanting to teach creationism and/or evolution whatsoever. I believe both happened!! Yes, the bible says that the heavens and earth were created in six days, with the day of rest happening on the seventh...but the Bible never says that was in human years. Spiritual time is completely different than that of our time here on earth. The whole "creation" process could have happened over billions of years here on earth, but we have no way of knowing that. My whole thought is, who cares?! We're here now, we were made in God's image, so why should I be so concerned about where I came from or how long it took me to be here? I'm thankful for every day I have on this earth (even the crappy ones or when I have to deal with rude people). I don't criticize you for having an atheistic view on life, nor do I criticize anyone else who choses to follow Bhuddism, Muslim Faiths, Greek Mythology, or whatever else they desire. I believe that the God in the Bible gives everyone a freedom to chose whatever they want out of life, even if that's not choosing to follow God's teaching in the Bible. Even if you think I'm stupid for thinking I'm believing in a storybook character god in Christianity, then so be it. I'd rather live my life believing that God exists and find out I'm wrong than to believe no God exists and be turned away at Heaven's gate.
As far as all of these "miracle things" you mention as in healings and the building appearing out of nowhere, that's just plain ignorant. The Bible says that God helps those who are willing to help themselves. He's not just going to miraculously make a building or a house appear out of thin air, but He will provide you with the things you need to make that building/house if you are really willing to work for it. It could come from countless small things that we never see! God tells us that we need to only follow what He says, and He will take care of the minor details. As far as the healings go, all things come by faith through believing. God sees the person we are inside and truly knows the desires of our hearts...and if we are suddenly showing love and faith to God during times of turmoil or sickness just because we need something, then that truly isn't faith and following God. We have to seek Him out every day, not just when we feel like it.
Lastly, don't be so bitter about the WMD that Bush was searching for in Iraq. Even President Bush himself admitted that they were wrong in their intelligence. I know President Bush wasn't the most perfect president, but he kept our country completely safe from any other terrorist attacks after the tragedy at 9/11 in New York City. I'd say that's a pretty good thing to have on your resumé. I know you're not a natural born citizen of the United States, but our very own men (some even 10+ years younger than me right out of high school) are out there dying to fight terrorism and keep everyone here in the US safe. You may not agree with this war or any war for that matter, but even the Bible says that sometimes peace only comes at the end of a sword. This country is what it is today because of people who were willing to stand up and die to fight tyranny and oppression...and that freedom even goes to protect people who say stupid and ignorant things like you have tonight. I'm sorry you don't agree with what I think and say, but I'm not asking you to. That's your right!! But don't go around criticizing me because you think my beliefs are stupid. Get over yourself, buddy...go have a drink and relax a little bit. And let's get back to the wrestling...that's why we're all here!!
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Actually, all of the CIA's intel was that there WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ. That's a fact. Bush and Cheney used a propaganda machine linking Saddam to to bin Laden even though both men hated each other. Saddam ran a secular government, while bin Laden is deeply religous. Them being pals is total B.S. What Bush and Cheney did in Iraq is nothing less that a war crime. Both should have been impeached and held up for trial. It's absurd to think that Clinton was given hell for lying about a damned BJ that effected only him, his wife and family, and Monica yet the Republican party turned it into a stupid witch hunt. We've lost way to many lives in Iraq, not for freedom, but for the damned cliche of freaking oil. Hell, when Saddam had nearly wiped out the Kurds, the Reagan adminstration sent over the Donald to negotiate an oil deal. Thats a fact. Hell, there's pictures of them shaking hands. And the Kurds were ALREADY murdered. No use in me even starting with Iran-Contra affair 'cause Daddy Bush did a hell of a job covering it over. Anybody with common sense knows Reagan was just a figurehead who already was suffering from dementia. People, that illness doesn't pop up over night. As for abortion there is circumstances such as a close family member of mine had a problem with the womb sac not developing right so the pregancy was terminated. Now is any religous type actually going to argue about life rights for a baby that would have been deformed and lived a horrible life. Really? Are you going to tell me they are gonna burn in hell for that? I can still hear their sobbing over making the choice. Here's an idea. How about everybody live the way they choose. If it be religous or not. If your religous then worry about your self and not your neighbor. Like I posted on my own column. THERE IS NO BLACK, OR WHITE ALL THE TIME. THERE'S ALSO A GRAY AREA. The problem I have is with Vince McMahon using political propaganda to hurt his own employees. That's not right, nor fair. Freedom is for everyone. Democrats, Republicans, or Other. I think President Obama is doing a good job considering the mess that was dropped in his lap. Bush coasted on his last few monthes before BAILING OUT WALL STREET and then hauling his ass back to Texas. The majority of Americans chose Obama. That's a fact. I think the problem is Republicans are ashamed about what has happened to our country and need somebody to blame. How about blaming yourselves. You reelected Bush and supported his position which has gotten us in the hole were in. There's several generations down the road who will still be paying for what Bush and Cheney did to this country. Obama can't fix something that took eight years to screw up. But with the right support maybe he can get us out. I wish him all the luck. And no I'm not a Democrat. I was born an American and will forever be one.
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Not to labour on a point but your arguments are not rational arguments. They assume too many facts. For example:
You say: we were made in God's image
How do you know this? If you know this to be true because it's written in the bible, then how do we know the bible to be true?
You say: I don't criticize you for having an atheistic view on life, nor do I criticize anyone else who choses to follow Bhuddism, Muslim Faiths, Greek Mythology, or whatever else they desire.
I don't mean to critisice you and apologies if it has come off like that. I just find it preposterous that anyone can say "I believe in God" with any degree of sincerity.
Question - What makes your God the "right" God?
You say: The Bible says that God helps those who are willing to help themselves. He's not just going to miraculously make a building or a house appear out of thin air, but He will provide you with the things you need to make that building/house if you are really willing to work for it. It could come from countless small things that we never see
My view is that these things are there anyway. If I wrote a book and said this, would you take me as your God? - of course not because there is no proof that I can do miracles. Same goes for any God. Where is the proof?
You say: God tells us that we need to only follow what He says, and He will take care of the minor details. As far as the healings go, all things come by faith through believing. God sees the person we are inside and truly knows the desires of our hearts...and if we are suddenly showing love and faith to God during times of turmoil or sickness just because we need something, then that truly isn't faith and following God. We have to seek Him out every day, not just when we feel like it.
I'm sure that Kim Jong Il says the same thing...funnily enough, Kim Jon Il also never "miraculously" heals amputees either. Maybe he is a God that was born at the end of a rainbow on a majestic mountainside...
Now. To bring this back to a wrestling topic, on the Impact Wrestling podcast recently I brought up a point that the creative depts of both TNA and WWE need to take into account sociology more.
Look at the debate that this republican/democrat/religious/athiest debate has had. If only any creative dept. could come up with a hardcore christian character and a hardcore athiest character, same with republican/democrat it would be awesome. The problem is that the WWE product seems to be aimed at an audience that it not yet old enough to vote or actually, effectively question religion so I'll cross my fingers for TNA.
Unfortunately, I don't think this will come around any time soon.
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So you hate Vince because of his personal political views? LOL. Who gives a fuck. I disagree with alot of peoples opinions on religion and/or politics, but I don't hate them for it. If they start to shove it down my throat, then I hate them, but Vince hasn't ever really come out and started talking about it at all, he's kept hisshit to himself, so why hate him? 
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