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The Official WS Political Thread

Sakura

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Being against religions that practice cruelty isn't being racist...you're talking about the religious belief not the people.

Progressives seem to only focus on race when it comes to Islam, which seems ironic when you think about it.
True. You're essentially doing what you are accusing others of.

I'm not against peaceful Christians, Muslims, Jews, or whatever. In fact, I fully support their right to practice their beliefs.

As long as you are not practicing hate, or spreading it...That's fine. But extremists of any religion are a no no. It doesn't have to be based on color, either. People of all colors can be awful or great.
 
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Chris

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It's why I find it kind of funny when hardcore Christians go at white girl astrology Twitter even though I think astrology is bullshit myself as a science, but if they wanna believe that stuff it doesn't hurt me any just like people who believe whatever religion doesn't bother me until it becomes extreme.
 
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"American politics is a shit show"

Canada: "hold my beer boys"...
 
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Sakura

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It's why I find it kind of funny when hardcore Christians go at white girl astrology Twitter even though I think astrology is bullshit myself as a science, but if they wanna believe that stuff it doesn't hurt me any just like people who believe whatever religion doesn't bother me until it becomes extreme.
Or the ones who get all angry at Harry Potter and Halloween and shit for being "Satanic" and evil.

Nah, dude. The crusades and shit the Catholic church has done to children is evil. Countless wars in the name of god is evil.
 

Chris

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Here's a few more stories from the last few days as well

Facebook waited until the Mueller report dropped to reveal millions of Instagram passwords were exposed

Police Officer shoots man with open carry permit, attempted to hide body cam footage

Facebook way more Skynet than Google ever could be at this point tbh and for the other one it's probably that dude's fault for not realizing open carry permits aren't meant for black people, but I could have given the officer the benefit of the doubt that she actually thought she was in danger until they tried to conceal the bodycam footage which means she knows she fucked up.
 

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I don't really disagree that Obama didn't do enough when he had the intel that Russia was interfering in the election, idk if he didn't want a big controversary to start right before he left office for the next president or he was just a pussy but but either way he did tell Trump about it before Trump was taking office and Trump has done nothing but talk up Putin and saying he believes Putin that they had nothing to do with interfering in the election while our intelligence agencies have said otherwise.
 

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Also the thing with Russian interference is that, while I do think they wanted Trump to become president, it wasn't for any super secret agreements they had with him, it was because it furthered their original goal which is to divide the United States more and more between the two sides. If you look at some of the proven Russian social media campaigns during the election, it was a lot of fake news stories promoting extremism on each side. For example, liberal areas might see a story showing a police brutality event that never actually happened, and here in the south there was a lot of immigration misinformation and stories of extreme black lives matters people plotting attacks that never happened. They were just playing to the biases that already exist between the two sides to try and divide us more and more and that's worked exactly as they planned for it to, don't think it would have been much different if Hillary was president either, she'd probably be floating around those same 40% approval ratings as Trump's with America just as divided bc of this stupid ass two-party system that's way too easy to manipulate by a foreign government.
 

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Republican discussed violent attacks and surveillance with rightwingers
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/20/matt-shea-rightwing-messages-chat-records

A Washington state Republican politician took part in private discussions with rightwing figures about carrying out surveillance, “psyops” and even violent attacks on perceived political enemies, according to chat records obtained by the Guardian.

State representative Matt Shea, who represents Spokane Valley in the Washington state house, participated in the chats with three other men. All of the men used screen aliases – Shea’s was “Verum Bellator”, Latin for true warrior. The Guardian confirmed the identity of those in the chat by cross-checking phone numbers attached to the Signal accounts.

The group included Jack Robertson, who broadcasts a far-right radio show, Radio Free Redoubt, under the alias “John Jacob Schmidt”. The chat also included Anthony Bosworth, whose history includes a public altercation with his own daughter and bringing guns to a court house. Bosworth participated in the 2016 occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge, reportedly at Shea’s request.

The name of another participant, who provided the chat records to the Guardian, has been withheld due to concerns about personal safety.

The chats on the messaging app Signal took place in the days leading up to a supposed “Antifa revolt” on 4 November 2017. Throughout late October, far-right media outlets had been stoking fears of political conflict on the basis of planned peaceful protests by a small leftist group.

The men proposed to confront leftists – whom they repeatedly refer to as “communists” and “Antifa” – with a suite of tactics, including violence.

Anthony Bosworth:
When we locate antifa members we can confront their parents their workplaces their landlords. We can hit them in there safe spaces
Oct 29, 2017 5:22PM
This should become a Pure psyops operation
Oct 29, 2017 5:23PM
If we can catch a few of them alone and work him over a little bit
Oct 29, 2017 5:25PM
Other acts of extreme violence were also suggested. When a specific female Spokane resident was nominated for surveillance in the chat group, Robertson suggested:


Jack Robertson
Fist full of hair, and face slam, to a Jersey barrier. Treat em like communist revolutionaries. Then shave her bald with a K-Bar USMC field knife.
Nov 3, 2017 11:32PM
Would make good attachment points for hoisting communists up flag poles. Especially the ones with nipple rings
Nov 4, 2017 9:48PM
But… if you cinch up zip ties enough, you don't even NEED nipple rings for hoisting.
Nov 4, 2017 9:52PM
Apart from violence, the men extensively discussed tactics of surveillance and intimidation.

Anthony Bosworth
Another useful tactic is locating the provocateurs leaders in the mouth pieces and then targeting there safe spaces while they're out on the streets rioting
Nov 3, 2017 1:35PM
Jack Robertson
Yes. Homes, cars, workplaces, etc.
Nov 3, 2017 5:51PM
Child's daycare location.
Nov 3, 2017 5:51PM
Shea, the elected Republican legislator, did not demur from any of these suggestions. He also appeared willing to participate directly in surveillance of activists.

In response to a request in the chat for background checks on Spokane residents, Shea volunteered to help, going on to name three individuals – including an organizer for the liberal group Indivisible, and a college professor.

Matt Shea
Ok. What BG checks need to be done. Give me the list.
Nov 6, 2017 9:49PM
All I have several names that have come up... Any info out there?
Nov 6, 2017 2:54PM
The men talked about the broad outlines of what they appeared to consider to be a looming civil war. They also discussed using symbols from what they understood to be Russian anti-communist groups as a way of spreading paranoia among their adversaries.

The group talked about making stickers and cards using skull and crossbones images from post-revolutionary Russian nationalist groups. After posting an image of a white army soldier holding such a banner, Bosworth remarked:

Anthony Bosworth
When we locate their homes we can tag the sidewalks and their mailboxes with the symbol
Oct 29, 2017 5:20PM
Leave the symbol as a calling card
Oct 29, 2017 5:20PM
We can waste their resources and make them Target something that doesn't exist
Oct 29, 2017 5:21PM
When the leftist revolt failed to materialize, Shea did not rethink his conspiratorial views and instead blamed the weather.

Matt Shea
Nothing ruins a good communist revolution like snow. Snowflakes afraid of snowflakes
Nov 6, 2017 9:49PM
Shea, a six-term legislator and military veteran, came to international attention in 2018 after a document he authored surfaced laying out a “biblical basis for war”, which appeared to be a plan for an apocalyptic battle with people who practiced “same sex marriage” and “abortion”, and instructed: “If they do not yield, kill all males.”

Shea denied that the document meant what it appeared to say.

At that time, Shea lost donors, and he was stripped of his role as chair of the Republican caucus – though he was serving in this position at the time of the leaked chat.

But Shea has since regrouped, introducing bills to criminalize abortion and roll back gun laws, which other Republicans in Washington have supported. He has also continued pushing a plan for eastern Washington to secede and reconstitute as Liberty State. Robertson has also been a key architect of this campaign, and he and Shea have been regular guests on each other’s broadcasts.

Shea has long promoted conspiratorial views about the cooperation of leftists and Muslims in creating “counter-states” in the US. He has associated with conspiracy-minded far-right groups, and later this month will emcee a dinner for the anti-communist John Birch society in Couer D’Alene, Idaho.

In a telephone conversation with the Guardian, Robertson said: “I remember a discussion in response to Indivisible and Antifa groups that were planning to take to the streets,” but “I don’t recall the details”.

He denied surveilling his political opponents, but added: “If someone is in my community and they are threatening violence, I want to know more about them. That just makes sense.”

He also claimed that the apparent threats of violence were not authentic.

“A lot of people in private conversations say things tongue in cheek about what they would like to see happen to these people, but that is not setting a policy or establishing a protocol for people to carry things out.”

Some of Shea’s most prominent critics have been political conservatives. Spokane county’s Republican sheriff, Ozzie Knezovich, has repeatedly criticized Shea’s far-right ties.

“It’s part and parcel of what this group has been saying for years. I think if a state representative is condoning violence against his constituents then that person needs to be removed from office, and I hope the voters will do that at the next election.

“Matt Shea is a poor representative for the Republican party. Extremism on both sides is tearing this country apart,” Knezovich added.

Asked if the people around Shea were dangerous, Knezovich said: “Yes.”

The Western States Center, a progressive organization, has also previously criticized Shea. Its executive director, Eric Ward, said via email: “The violent extremism that Representative Matt Shea espouses is a clear threat to our democratic institutions and has no place in mainstream political discourse.

“We call on Washington State Republican Party leaders to censure Representative Shea if these allegations are true.”

Shea did not respond to a request for comment.

After the Guardian contacted Robertson and Shea for comment Robertson spoke on Thursday night on the Spokane Christian radio station on which he and Shea broadcast weekly programs.

In a rambling broadcast, Robertson confirmed the existence of the chats, called the Guardian a “propagandist”, read biblical accounts of war and followed with: “If it comes time for war and it’s forced upon you, do you not want a leader who is going to surround himself with warriors? I do.

“There was talk about doing surveillance on some of these Antifa people. Not surveillance but just start copying and pasting their comments, keeping track of who’s who, keep track of where they live, where they work, but that never came to fruition,” he added.
 

Deezy

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LOL like any of those marks would punch anyone.

If they're"soyboys"....does that make anyone who says that a "meathead"?