Stop hating stuff because it's cool

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Tsaalyo Phoenix

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A few thoughts based on what i've seen in my time on this forum.

I constantly see from much of the community here that whenever someone notable here bashes something or someone, a bunch of people chime in, and whether these people (who know who they are) want to admit it or not, they in actuality either don't give a damn either way, or flat out disagree, but won't say anything because then people will throw mean words at them or click that negrep button. That more than annoys me, it just sickens me. For example:

Vince Russo. Anytime anything happens that someone doesn't like, he will either blame it on Russo or call it Russolike or Russoesque. I can't think of anyone more hated in the sports or sports entertainment words. What annoys me is that a lot of people here weren't even wrestling fans when Russo was doing stupid stuff in WCW, and besides that, they blame everything on him when in reality he wasn't the only writer for WCW, and he certainly isn't the only guy pitching ideas for TNA. Does anyone really know which decisions Russo personally made and pushed through? No. No booking decision has come with a "Russo wuz here" sticker, so how do you know he's to blame for everything wrong with TNA? For all you know he's made the decision on some things you really liked, but god knows it's heresy in the IWC to suggest that he was involved in said decision. I'm not denying that he's done some unbelievably stupid crap over the years, but he certainly doesn't deserve all that he gets - especially when most of what he gets is given to him by people who weren't fans back then or really don't care either way.

Mike Adamle, Vladimir Kozlov, Cody Rhodes, and anyone else new: GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO GROW, BITCHWHORES. *cough* Especially since a lot of people only chime in on the bashing once they see someone with a whole lot of green boxes start the bashing. Mike Adamle clearly wasn't a wrestling fan when he was hired, but he's a great commentator and given a month or two I truly believe he'll be right up there with the best. Vladimir Kozlov people say sucks, for reasons I can't quite grasp, since we haven't seen much of him and what we have seen has been quite good. Is it his mic skills that trouble you? Would you rather have the guy with the Russian gimmick get on the mic and speak in a language you don't understand? As for Cody, yes, he is the Default CAW. He's just average in wrestling ability and mic skills, and it'll be a couple years before he's even in the midcard title spotlight, but he certainly isn't BAD in the ring and he has better mic skills than a lot of people higher up than him (Looking at you, Dave "Weapons Are Allowed" Batista). There's nothing about him that is justification for hatred, because he's new, and for a new person he's not bad at all. And yet a select few of you decide to hate these three people, for idiotic reasons that all stem from the fact that they've spent less time on screen in their WWE careers than you have throwing up over the course of your life. Stop being idiots.

Don West. You know, i'd like to see any one of you step up and try to do his job, see if you can even articulate WORDS when the mic is on and the match is under way. Perhaps he gets a little TOO into it with his "DID YOU SEE THAT?! WHAAAT, WHAAAT, WHAT DID HE JUST DOOOOO?!", but i'd rather see a guy oversell than a guy undersell the match. Don West spews charisma from every orifice, and he knows his stuff. So... which of those traits do you feel is negative for the position of commentator?

TNA. "Oh look, a Pole on a Pole on a Pole match! Way to suck like Russo in a gay bar." "Feast or Fired? More like SUCK OR BLOW!" "Joe and Angle in an MMA-STYLE MATCH?! WAY TO RUIN WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME!" "Wow, every time they hire a WWE guy he immediately becomes champion. *the next day* WHY ISN'T BOOKER T CHAMPION?!" At least TNA tries new things. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but i'll watch either way because I'm treated to a new experience. Besides, remember how everyone thought the Knockouts were a stupid idea? "Who wants to see non-supermodel women with real gimmicks, in real storylines, fighting main-event quality matches?" By the looks of things, the world wants to see that. And the hipocrisy/idiocy of the last quote speaks for itself. You complain about TNA because you WANT to complain about TNA, not for any logical reason. Any type of new match is immediately hated, every booking decision shit upon, and of course, everything is blamed on Vince Russo, Professional Wrestling's bane, lucifer, destroyer, black plague despite being white, and proverbial child rapist.

The Great Khali, Mark Henry, Big Daddy V, Snitsky, and virtually any other 'big' superstar who is not Kane or Big Show. People say they can't wrestle or are ugly or whatever. I ask you: when you're 7'3, almost 500 pounds, what do you expect? Khali and V as the new London and Kendrick, flying around the ring hitting Sliced Bread, then both climbing the turnbuckle and hitting a diving corkscrew double foot stomp to the announce table where their opponent is sprawled? Shut the hell up. Their styles and abilities are perfectly suited for their size and gimmicks. As for their looks, wow, I expected people to whine that the Knockouts aren't playboy covergirls, but I didn't know that people whined that the superstars weren't playgirl coverboys! Great that you're so secure about your sexuality though. Embrace the new world of acceptance and freedom! KY is doing great things for anal sex.

Black Reign, Rellik (that's Killer spelled backwards), Super Eric, Stone Cold Shark Boy, and gimmicks/gimmick matches in general. All of the above are talented in the ring, so there's no reason to hate them for that. Yet they are all hated, simply because of their gimmicks. I kindly ask you to shut the hell up. Professional wrestling NEEDS gimmicks. Were it not for them, every match would be "I hate you because ______ and I want the belt!" "Yeah, well I hate you because ______ and this is MY belt!" Gimmicks and quirks add story. And I know you're gonna say "I don't want to see gimmicks, I don't want story, I just want wrestling!" I ask you: if that ideology worked, why isn't WWE doing that? Simple: THAT DOES NOT WORK. It gets boring and repetitive, so stop living in this fantasy world where such a concept makes money. Besides, why do I hear one minute that "If you want wrestling talent go to the Indies, because televised wrestling requires mic talent", and "Stop wasting my time with this, I want wrestling!" the next? Pick a side and stick with it.

And these are only a few things I see on a daily basis here. Aside from giving my views on them to counter the very few people who actually care about those issues, i'm writing this to tell you lemmings, and you know who you are, to SPEAK YOUR ACTUAL MINDS. Pretty much EVERYONE posts about how Sharkboy sucks, and yet out there in the real world he's getting some of the biggest pops at PPVs. That's just indicative of the fact that someone notable here posts an opinion and the vast majority are too scared or too yearning for popularity and green boxes to do anything besides impersonate xerox machines and say the exact same thing. I just railed against a lot of notables on this forum and look at me, i'm not dead. Start doing the same. It's time to stop seeing copy-and-pastes from everyone here and start hearing some actual opinions.
 

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I completely 100% agree with you. It seems that wrestling fans these days complain for the sake of complaining, and hate stuff just to agree with everyone else. But there could be another side to this, I mean...everyone has their opinions, and we just have to accept that.

Great post, great thread, REP+
 

Qwake

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Don West Specializes in commentating, we don't and he is terrible at it! im not saying its an easy job.

Adamle is crap but he will get used to being in WWE and will get much better.

Cody Rhodes is very plain, not bad but Plain.

WWE do have to much big freak guys as listed above

Vince Russo ruins every company he joins

Nearlly every WWE superstar that goes to TNA is good so they have the right to be a TNA World Champ, whats wrong with that whoever said that.

I do agree with you abit though

anyone else???
 

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Excellent post, repped +.

But where the hell is Cena on that list?
 

Soulpower

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Vince Russo

We don't hate on him because its cool. Fact is that he did fairly well in WWE (Some would say because he didn't have as much "Creative Freedom* as he did elsewhere). He did a terrible job in WCW and for some strange reason the TNA product has gone downhill since he's been with them. We hate on him, because he's terrible at what he does.

Mike Adamle, Vladimir Kozlov, Cody Rhodes, and anyone else new: Mike Adamle is crap. He's a terrible announcer and he obviously doesn't know a damn thing about the product, and you want us to like him? You hear the silence when Kozlov comes out, its not because they're in awe, its because people can tell he's terrible. Hell, wasn't he in WWE (as a fan) before? Why did he never wrestle then? As for Cody, Cody is just generic and we don't hate on him. Most of us can see that he's got talent, but he's so bland that we just can't get behind him.

Don West I don't think, I know I could do a better job than this man as an announcer. I would actually shut up when someone is cutting a promo instead of repeating everything that the wrestler just said. I would actually try to learn the name of the moves that certain wrestlers do. And I wouldn't mark out when a heel like AJ Styles does the Pele. West is good for the hard-sell of a PPV.. that's the only good thing I can say about him.

The Great Khali, Mark Henry, Big Daddy V, Snitsky. We expect the big guys to be MOBILE!! Khali can't do a damn thing in the ring, he can't take a bump. Yes, he's big. But that's enough to get people to care about him. We don't hate on them because its "cool". We hate on them because they've been wrestling for years now, and they're still as bad as they were when they began.

Black Reign/Rellik Reign WAS good in the ring, before he apparently decided to eat a couple of his family members and flat-out got older. Stamboli aka Rellik has never been any good, its why he hasn't been successful at any point in his career. By the way, I do want to see gimmicks. Just not gimmicks that belonged to people that were far more talented in the ring.

Gimmick matches! Gimmick matches are used for two things... SELL A PPV! And Finish a feud! We've had 5 minute cage matches on free tv for no reason. And if its a gimmick match, its usually a good idea to use a gimmick that people understand. You hear something called cuffs in the cage, or some reverse cage match where you have to get in the cage so you can then have match and you mind is going to be blows. Not because its good, but because it doesn't make ANY DAMN SENSE!

People don't hate to be "cool". People hate on something because its crap and because they feel... No, they know that it should be better.

Edit:I saw someone mention Cena..

Has it ever occured that maybe, just maybe some people don't like Cena? Wheter its because of his promos, his style of wrestling, hell, even his attire! Not everyone hates for no reason, some of them hate due to legitimate reasons.

But I forget, this is the Internet, and if you decide to post your opinion, you will be called out as a "blind hater" or someone who's just "trying to be cool".
 

Qwake

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BTW should this really be in WWE discussions??? its got some TNA wrestlers in it and its about what fans think... lol
 

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I didn't read the whole thing because I'm watching Sout Park and the Lakers, but I will because this sounds somewhat interesting. However for once Sharkboy brings up a good point, I'm pretty sure this should be in the column section because I think this is more of a column/rant.
 

Tsaalyo Phoenix

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BTW should this really be in WWE discussions??? its got some TNA wrestlers in it and its about what fans think... lol
I wasn't sure where to put this, lol. Figured this section gets more traffic.
I didn't read the whole thing because I'm watching Sout Park and the Lakers, but I will because this sounds somewhat interesting. However for once Sharkboy brings up a good point, I'm pretty sure this should be in the column section because I think this is more of a column/rant.
...there's a columns section? *looks* Oh... would you look at that.
 

Soulpower

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Protip: If you're unsure where something goes, post it in HIAT... Or Street Fight >_>
 

Qwake

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lol, HHHforever agreed with me??? :lol:
yeah some people just say stuff for the ske of it to fit in with the others, they really should post their true opinions...
 

THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps

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^^Don't taste it. Defiantely doesn't taste like a TNA rant.

Some fair points Roxxi, and some um, not-as good points. Don West is shit. Deal with it.
 

the dark knight

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mike adamle
he's good for the lulz. after the rumble, i started getting excited when they give him an interview. lookin forward for a lulz...

but puttin him as a commentator is Blue. there's no such thing as give him time to get better...he's a freakin commentator. its not heat ya know? btw, lita was a better commentator than he will ever will be....well, for now.

cody
fucking CAW. he is NOTHING. he got what it takes to be something in the future but until then, he sucks. we should let them know it...

don west
the land of cheese

khali, BDV, henry and others
stop defending hating things because its cool.
 

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Soulpower said everything I would have said. And saved me the time of typing that all out. Thank you sir.