Raw Keep both World titles and Smackdown have both Mid-card titles

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So as we know, RAW has the WWE title, World Heavyweight title, US title, and the tag titles. While SD only has the IC title. After the draft, RAW was stacked while SD is lacking main eventers.

MVP is now a RAW wrestler, but he's now in a program with (out of no where) Dolph Ziggler who's a SD wrestler. Now the brand split is suppose to go into effect after Backlash, but yet MVP defends his title against Ziggler next week.

Which got me thinking, with RAW being stacked with ME-ers, why not let them keep both the world titles? Instead of having all those guys gunning for just one title, they have 2.

Then next week, during the US title match, Ziggler wins and the US title becomes SD exclusive again. SD's roster only has 3 ME-ers in Jericho, Taker and Edge. Then a shit load of Mid-carders in Benjamin, Morrison, Mysterio, Umaga, Khali, R-Truth, Kane, Jeff, Punk, and probably more cause I'm sure I'm missing some. Yes they could move people up, but at the moment they don't have anyone to push up or built up anyone. So why not have both the mid-card belts on SD.

It already seems to me that SD is starting to get less and less attention. Their main event this week was all RAW guys who haven't either been on SD for years, or not at all. I see this as being a good thing. What are your thoughts?


EDIT: And yes I know Punk has the MitB case, but when he cashes in he could lose the match or something.
 

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I don't think they would keep both titles on Raw for any extended period of time. If anything, they are building towards uniting all the belts. Which is something I think is long overdue.

Honestly, the brand split never worked. I would unite the World titles, midcard belts, and women's titles. I would make Raw the show where the majority of the main storylines progress and the top guys are featured every week. Smackdown could be the show to feature the lower card fueds and ECW could continue to be a separate "developmental" show.

There just aren't enough talented guys to have three separate brands. In addition, having all the top guys commingled would allow for more creativity and additional fueds so we don't have to see Cena/HHH/Orton and Edge/Taker for the next 5 years.
 

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Keeping both titles on Raw would stronly devalue one. Then it's like, anyone who doesn't win one, could be booked to go win the other one. For example, if Batista lost to Triple H, he could randomly go and challenge Cena. Not to mention, what would Taker, Edge, Jericho, Rey, Umaga, Punk, etc, fight for on SD? I understand YOU dont' classify Rey, Kane, Jeff and Punk as main eventers, but that's an ignorant statement. All those guys are considered main eventers, and reightfull so, as they've all held world titles. Saying they can only fight for mid card titles is an insult.
Hey, it's an interesting idea, but I think there's too many downsides. The only way this happens is if they're gonna do a unified championship thing, where they leave both titles on Raw, and eventually unify them.
As for Cenamarks suggestion, about unifying all the titles and brands, I'm against it mostly, BUT, I think it may be time. I prefer seperate brands, seperate belts, etc, but lately, I've been thinking that as much as I favor it the other way (seperate brands, titles, etc) it may be time to end the brand extension. That's for another discussion though. I'm saying no to your idea though, dude, just doesn't work for me.
 

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There just aren't enough talented guys to have three separate brands. In addition, having all the top guys commingled would allow for more creativity and additional fueds so we don't have to see Cena/HHH/Orton and Edge/Taker for the next 5 years.

There aren't enough talented guys? WWE's roster is full of talented guys. It's how Vince uses them, it's how creative decides on what they do, it's the way they (the wrestlers) put on a show in the ring. I'd maybe even say they have more talented than not talented guys on their roster.

On the subject of a title unification, with both the titles on RAW, it could lead to a title uni. match. Not right away but some months down the line.


Keeping both titles on Raw would stronly devalue one. Then it's like, anyone who doesn't win one, could be booked to go win the other one. For example, if Batista lost to Triple H, he could randomly go and challenge Cena.

That doesn't make any since. They are 2 different titles. Yes, there's a possibility of one of the titles being devalued, I'm not talking about that statement. I'm talking about the next one. That's like somebody losing the the World title, jumping right to the tag title title, losing that one and then jumping right to the IC title, losing that, then jumping right to oh lets say the MitB case..... Wait CM Punk just did all of that didn't he? Yet nobody (but me) seems to say anything about that.


Not to mention, what would Taker, Edge, Jericho, Rey, Umaga, Punk, etc, fight for on SD? I understand YOU dont' classify Rey, Kane, Jeff and Punk as main eventers, but that's an ignorant statement. All those guys are considered main eventers, and reightfull so, as they've all held world titles. Saying they can only fight for mid card titles is an insult.
Hey, it's an interesting idea, but I think there's too many downsides. The only way this happens is if they're gonna do a unified championship thing, where they leave both titles on Raw, and eventually unify them.

Are you serious? That's an ignorant statement? Just because you won a world title doesn't mean you're a life time main eventer. Let's go with the guys you named, Rey hasn't held a world title since what 04 (which was a crap reign)? He's had world title shots yes, but he's not a main eventer. He jumps from upper mid card to main eventer form time to time, but he's more upper mid card. Kane held a world title for a day. That was like 8 years ago. Since then he's had minimum main event feuds/matches. He's gone from jobber to mid card for years until his ECW title reign. But after he lost that he's gone right back to jobber/mid card. Jeff just recently got out of a world title reign (which sucked too). His title reign didn't even seem like it was around him and the title, that was all over shadowed with the whole mysterious attacker thing. He was a main eventer before he won the title though. But he's now back in the upper mid card. Punk held the World almost a year ago (his reign sucked too). He's title hopped immediatly to every title ever since then. As I stated above, World, Tag, IC, MitB, and pretty sure right back to world title again. Did you notice anything about those 4 guys you named? They all had only one reign (with the exception of Kane) and all their reigns sucked. They looked weak, and for the most part, jobbed through-out their reign. They all (right after their reign) dropped back down to Mid carding/upper midcarding.


Just because you win a world title doesn't make you a main eventer. The matches you put on, the feuds you have, the intensity, the height-ness of it, that's what makes you a main eventer. If you do that your entire career, then you're a life long main eventer, not just because you held the title for a day. With that logic, Morrison, Mark Henry, Great Khali, Vince McMahon, and Chavo ( they all held the ECW title) for example are main eventers.

Not to mention, what would Taker, Edge, Jericho, Rey, Umaga, Punk, etc, fight for on SD? Saying they can only fight for mid card titles is an insult.

What are these guys fighting for now? Edge is fighting for a world title but what about everyone else? What are they doing now? How about they fight for the same titles they've been fighting for for most of their career.? Rey, Umaga, Punk, they've all been going for mid card titles for at least 12 months. With Taker, Edge, and Jericho, who says you need a title to make you good, or have a great feud? Who says that once you win a world title, you can't go back to fighting for a mid card title? What better way to REALLY bring prestiege back to the US and IC titles, than having guys like that put on the same type of matches they would for the world title. Regal said he'd bring prestiege back and he lost his 1st (real) title defense). Punk just fought JBL every week in repeat matches. JBL said he'd bring prestiege to the title and lost his 1st defense in 20 something seconds. Rey won the title, was left off tv for a whole week I believe, and he's now jobbing to Big Show. People say they want presteige brought to the titles and this would be their chance to really do it. This would be the chance WWE really shows that they care about these belt like once before.

EDIT: Or if that doesn't work, they could always attack the GM's at a ppv, and insert their self in a World title match. Edge has done it before, he can do it again. Anyone else can do it as well.
 

MikeRaw

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That doesn't make any since. They are 2 different titles. Yes, there's a possibility of one of the titles being devalued, I'm not talking about that statement. I'm talking about the next one. That's like somebody losing the the World title, jumping right to the tag title title, losing that one and then jumping right to the IC title, losing that, then jumping right to oh lets say the MitB case..... Wait CM Punk just did all of that didn't he? Yet nobody (but me) seems to say anything about that.

Are you serious? That's an ignorant statement? Just because you won a world title doesn't mean you're a life time main eventer. Let's go with the guys you named, Rey hasn't held a world title since what 04 (which was a crap reign)? He's had world title shots yes, but he's not a main eventer. He jumps from upper mid card to main eventer form time to time, but he's more upper mid card. Kane held a world title for a day. That was like 8 years ago. Since then he's had minimum main event feuds/matches. He's gone from jobber to mid card for years until his ECW title reign. But after he lost that he's gone right back to jobber/mid card. Jeff just recently got out of a world title reign (which sucked too). His title reign didn't even seem like it was around him and the title, that was all over shadowed with the whole mysterious attacker thing. He was a main eventer before he won the title though. But he's now back in the upper mid card. Punk held the World almost a year ago (his reign sucked too). He's title hopped immediatly to every title ever since then. As I stated above, World, Tag, IC, MitB, and pretty sure right back to world title again. Did you notice anything about those 4 guys you named? They all had only one reign (with the exception of Kane) and all their reigns sucked. They looked weak, and for the most part, jobbed through-out their reign. They all (right after their reign) dropped back down to Mid carding/upper midcarding.

This is the point I was trying to get across. In your mind, and even to a degree, mind, I wouldn't consider them true main eventers. But, that's at an out of character sense. In character, whether you like it or not, they're all considered top guys, and main eventers. Leaving them with no world title would be a joke. And that's just those guys. You still have Edge, Jericho, and Taker.

Just because you win a world title doesn't make you a main eventer. The matches you put on, the feuds you have, the intensity, the height-ness of it, that's what makes you a main eventer. If you do that your entire career, then you're a life long main eventer, not just because you held the title for a day. With that logic, Morrison, Mark Henry, Great Khali, Vince McMahon, and Chavo ( they all held the ECW title) for example are main eventers.

Lol, no. I don't consider the current ECW title to be a true world title, so don't try to spin it that way. You can use the examples of guys like Punk or Rey though, who won the world or WWE titles, and you still don't consider them a main eventer. That's all well and good, if you don't view them as main eventers. But they are. But, like I said, despite your thoughts on those guys, leaving a show without a fucking world title would be laughable.

What are these guys fighting for now? Edge is fighting for a world title but what about everyone else? What are they doing now? How about they fight for the same titles they've been fighting for for most of their career.? Rey, Umaga, Punk, they've all been going for mid card titles for at least 12 months. With Taker, Edge, and Jericho, who says you need a title to make you good, or have a great feud? Who says that once you win a world title, you can't go back to fighting for a mid card title? What better way to REALLY bring prestiege back to the US and IC titles, than having guys like that put on the same type of matches they would for the world title. Regal said he'd bring prestiege back and he lost his 1st (real) title defense). Punk just fought JBL every week in repeat matches. JBL said he'd bring prestiege to the title and lost his 1st defense in 20 something seconds. Rey won the title, was left off tv for a whole week I believe, and he's now jobbing to Big Show. People say they want presteige brought to the titles and this would be their chance to really do it. This would be the chance WWE really shows that they care about these belt like once before.

EDIT: Or if that doesn't work, they could always attack the GM's at a ppv, and insert their self in a World title match. Edge has done it before, he can do it again. Anyone else can do it as well.
No, because then you're in danger of two things... If you leave just the IC and US titles on Raw, you risk that they become viewed as the same level as world titles, and then you have 4 titles on the same level. Leaving just those two belts there would, despite the name, make them similar to the WWE title, and then you have a problem. If that doesn't happen, then you have the problem of a bunch of guys fighting over a mid card title.
Liek I said, I'm not bashing it completely, it's an interesting concept, I just don't think it'd work. Basically, if anything, I could see the idea of them putting 1 world title on Raw, and getting rid of the other, and leaving the midcard titles on SD. Having TWO world titles on the same show, with only liek 5 main eventers on that show, would be stupid. Like I said though, they could possibly leave both titles on Raw, then have the two guys on there unify the titles, thus having one title on Raw, and none on SD. That'd be the only one that makes remotely any sense, but even that I'd be against, because like I said, I really think SD needs a world title.
 

chessarmy

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I'm sorry, but the concept of two World Titles on 1 show is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Seriously? How does it make any sense, I'm having trouble keeping track of who is WWE or World Champion as it is. Just put one of the world titles on Smackdown! so each show has it's belt. Two on 1 show is fucking confusing and it ruins the concept of a world title
 

LKP

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I'm going to go ahead and repeat myself and say the obvious. Cm punk will cash in mitb tonight or at judgment day or in between and the title will be back on smackdown. I'm guessing punk turns heel on smackdown and fights taker in the summer time and punk will be pushed to the moon whilst fighting taker. I mean how else can wwe make punk look a credible champion and a good one? Throw him in with taker, why not? I think they can have good matches and punk is awesome on the stick as a heel and can make himself look even better. I think punk as a strong world champion can be very good and credible on smackdown if booked right. I mean i want punk with the title on s,down looking as good as whoever is champion on raw if not better.

The wwe title is wwe most prized asset, so give punk that i mean he has already won whc title. Push punk push the title and have smackdown champions as credible as raw ones. Raw has all the stars and i think raw having the best titles, best wrestlers and best storyline is stupid. Give smackdown exactly what raw has and that's power and good storyline s. I know this has turned into a punk post but i think now thinking of it has punk actually had a good feud with anyone int he wwe?
He has not had a good long storied feud with anyone and he goes from one small feud into another. I want him to have a long and deep rivalry with the title has has and that will make him and smackdown look better. Its not just all about what champion is on what brand, its about being booked right. And with punk on Smackdown as world champion smackdown will be the better show. Do what wwe did with hhh revolved raw around hhh make smackdown about punk.

Also trading ic for us titles to raw and smackdown makes no difference to the mid carders both titles are the mid card ones. Id give guys like dolph ziggler us title reigns to see if they can hang with the big boys further on down the line in their careers.
 
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There is no way Smackdown is going to only have the midcard titles and Raw both world titles because that would be a slap in the face to SD guys like Undertaker, Edge and Jericho. People might get the impression that WWE doesnt repsect these guys enough to let them have a world title on theirs show and i doubt Undertaker would let that happen