Ratings Push for Sasha/Charlotte Main Event

[MGS32]

"Raw on 11/28 had good ratings news as the show built around the Sasha Banks title win over Charlotte did 3,107,000 viewers, actually up from the day after Survivor Series and the second highest of the fall season. And that number was drawn against a Green Bay Packers vs. Philadelphia Eagles game that did 13,062,000 viewers, one of the best numbers of the season.


This is the first time you can conclusively say the expanded push of women’s wrestling has been a ratings draw."

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter for week beginning 28/11/16


Interesting note and gives conclusive evidence that if you give the women a chance and build them up to on par with the Male Main Eventers that it will draw in ratings.

 

[¡Tranquilo!]

"Sasha and Charlotte draw? SASHA VS. CHARLOTTE EVERY MONTH IN 2017 DAMMIT"

" But McMahon sir...what about the other--"

"EVERY MONTH OR YOU'RE FIRED."

:::


On a serious note, I'm happy WWE finally got behind the Women...unfortunately only two of them...for most of the year...but It's progress! So there is that.

 

[edge4ever]

It's new and different. Seeing some women that can throw down and be on the top. Same thing happened in UFC and other areas of sports. It'll fade a little after a couple years or so. It's cool that's it happening, but it's big because it's different.

 

[MGS32]

It's new and different. Seeing some women that can throw down and be on the top. Same thing happened in UFC and other areas of sports. It'll fade a little after a couple years or so. It's cool that's it happening, but it's big because it's different.

This is so wrong its actually funny.

 

[Zardnaar]

I think there has also been an upward trend in WWE quality.

SD is quite entertaining, RAW has been improving. Hell having Goldberg in the picture with the possibility he might show up on any night could also explain it.

 

[Rosie]

While Sasha and Charlotte NEEDS to end soon, they are still able to put on good matches and bring people back into the feud once you think they're out. They have had great matches (Even the Hell in a Cell match, I watched it and it was pretty good, minus a Japanese table and a few too many stops).

Plus, as mentioned before, overall it has improved. So WWE, good on you this time. :

 

[edge4ever]

This is so wrong its actually funny.

I don't get how it's wrong? Does the WNBA pull in as much ratings as the NBA? No. does nearly any other women's sport pull in as much as the men's? No.

Women main eventing in wrestling and UFC is a new thing and it's big right now. Good for them, and good for women. But will it last and ratings stay high? I doubt it. We will see.

If you think I'm being sexist or trying to steer this convo down another route, I'm not at all. Again, i do love that women athletes in this sport are being taken more seriously and can actually perform like the men. That's awesome. But, will it continue to have the popularity it has? Prob not. It's new, fresh, and something we're not use to; therefore, it's bigger.

If you can show me numerous sports where women draw more than the men do, I'll say you have a point. Until then, you don't have one. Again, this is new to wrestling fans and UFC fans. It's big. It's making money and gaining popularity. Awesome, more power to them. But at the end of the day, will it last and can women atheletes continue to draw like the men can? We will see

 

[MGS32]

I don't get how it's wrong? Does the WNBA pull in as much ratings as the NBA? No. does nearly any other women's sport pull in as much as the men's? No.

Women main eventing in wrestling and UFC is a new thing and it's big right now. Good for them, and good for women. But will it last and ratings stay high? I doubt it. We will see.

If you think I'm being sexist or trying to steer this convo down another route, I'm not at all. Again, i do love that women athletes in this sport are being taken more seriously and can actually perform like the men. That's awesome. But, will it continue to have the popularity it has? Prob not. It's new, fresh, and something we're not use to; therefore, it's bigger.

If you can show me numerous sports where women draw more than the men do, I'll say you have a point. Until then, you don't have one. Again, this is new to wrestling fans and UFC fans. It's big. It's making money and gaining popularity. Awesome, more power to them. But at the end of the day, will it last and can women atheletes continue to draw like the men can? We will see

Comparing Womens NBA and NBA is a completely different thing, you can't compare the two.

If this was because "its a new thing" then their original main event would have drawn more ratings, Womens UFC is dying down because Ronda Rousey has been out of action for so long. You can't lose your biggest star and maintain popularity and when Ronda Rousey was around it wasn't because it was "new" it was because she was a beast and was demolishing everyone and had her ego turned up to 11 and trashed everyone. Rousey was a bigger draw in UFC than Brock Lesnar ever was and that wasn't because it was "new".

If in WWE you want to say its "because its new" then why didn't the ratings get better when they first started the Womens Revolution? Why not when they debuted the new belt earlier this year? Why not when they first main evented Raw? Its drawing because they are having great fucking matches and are more over than 90% of WWE's male roster. Raw was hijacked in Glasgow because of Bayley, Sasha Banks got a huge pop that same night. Charlotte is one of the few heels on their roster who draws genuine heat. They are over, they are interesting and they are having great matches so they draw ratings.

You say show you different sports, we're not talking about different sports. That isn't even relevant in the discussion, we're talking about how the expanded and prolonged push of Womens Wrestling has conclusive evidence of being a draw.

 

[MGS32]

While Sasha and Charlotte NEEDS to end soon, they are still able to put on good matches and bring people back into the feud once you think they're out. They have had great matches (Even the Hell in a Cell match, I watched it and it was pretty good, minus a Japanese table and a few too many stops).

Plus, as mentioned before, overall it has improved. So WWE, good on you this time. :

I feel the flip flop of the belt has been weird but with their Ironman match it seems to kind of make sense? I feel if they hyped up the Ironman match thing a bit earlier it would have made it feel a bit more planned.

 

[edge4ever]

Comparing Womens NBA and NBA is a completely different thing, you can't compare the two.

If this was because "its a new thing" then their original main event would have drawn more ratings, Womens UFC is dying down because Ronda Rousey has been out of action for so long. You can't lose your biggest star and maintain popularity and when Ronda Rousey was around it wasn't because it was "new" it was because she was a beast and was demolishing everyone and had her ego turned up to 11 and trashed everyone. Rousey was a bigger draw in UFC than Brock Lesnar ever was and that wasn't because it was "new".

If in WWE you want to say its "because its new" then why didn't the ratings get better when they first started the Womens Revolution? Why not when they debuted the new belt earlier this year? Why not when they first main evented Raw? Its drawing because they are having great fucking matches and are more over than 90% of WWE's male roster. Raw was hijacked in Glasgow because of Bayley, Sasha Banks got a huge pop that same night. Charlotte is one of the few heels on their roster who draws genuine heat. They are over, they are interesting and they are having great matches so they draw ratings.

You say show you different sports, we're not talking about different sports. That isn't even relevant in the discussion, we're talking about how the expanded and prolonged push of Womens Wrestling has conclusive evidence of being a draw.

Yes I can compare the 2. It's a sport. The same sport. One has women, the other has men. I just compared something that's comparable.

Ronda is their biggest draw for women. She was big because she would knock women out and simply kick ass. Yeah, she draw a lot. It was fresh, new, exciting to watch a women whoop ass like men can do. That's why it drew. And, it's fading simply because she left?... wrestling doesn't work that way for the men, nor does it for the UFC. Did the heavyweight division die after Brock left? No. Did the women's division somewhat die since Ronda left? Yes. In comparison, if cena was to leave WWE when he was he was full Time, would WWE for men die? No. If Charlotte were to leave the women's division right now, would WWE for women somewhat die? Yes. Again, it's not that's it not popular or that on occasion it can't draw a lot. Of course it can. It's new and interesting. It draws. Just like Ronda did. Will it last? I don't think so. Not consistently like the men do either.

It didn't go over big because a "women's revolution" use to mean more tits and ass. Now that we're getting women that can wrestle and do feuds. WWE fans interest is beyond reason. I thought to myself after the triple threat match at mania, "holy shit, they're stepping up their game with women a lot. This is awesome." Since then I've had a genuine interest in wanting to watch the diva for once. It's much better. Better than most of the men on the roster? Highly debatable, but it's entertaining and will continue to draw for sure. My point is that it won't continue to be as big as it is in this exact moment. Since mania 32, it's caught the attention of WWE fans, yes, and hopefully it's stays that way. But will it continue to draw more ratings night in and out than guys like AJ styles, Roman, Brock, Goldberg, and cena can offer? Time will tell, but my bets are no. Again, it'll always draw from this point forward. But will it be as big? I don't think so.

WWE is a sport. Obvsiously diff than most, but it's competitive and everyone wants to be the best. Thus, comparing how women draw for nearly any other sport to wrestling has some relevance. Sasha and charolotte, much like Ronda for UFC, are doing great things for the sport and drawing shit loads. But me stating that because it's new and fresh, and saying that it may not last isn't "so wrong it's not even funny." It's pretty obvious and backed up by common sense and any other sport, for the most part. I hope that I'm wrong as you say, but I think it's drawing big now and may continue for the next few years. But will it stay this way and the hype continue? Will it be able to keep headlining events and draw like Roman, cena, styles, Owens, and Rollins can? Maybe, I'm just saying that I doubt it.

There's a demand for women's wrestling and I'm so glad that this is all happening. But I'm also being realistic and just pointing out what I feel to be the obvious.

 

[MGS32]

Yes I can compare the 2. It's a sport. The same sport. One has women, the other has men. I just compared something that's comparable.

Ronda is their biggest draw for women. She was big because she would knock women out and simply kick ass. Yeah, she draw a lot. It was fresh, new, exciting to watch a women whoop ass like men can do. That's why it drew. And, it's fading simply because she left?... wrestling doesn't work that way for the men, nor does it for the UFC. Did the heavyweight division die after Brock left? No. Did the women's division somewhat die since Ronda left? Yes. In comparison, if cena was to leave WWE when he was he was full Time, would WWE for men die? No. If Charlotte were to leave the women's division right now, would WWE for women somewhat die? Yes. Again, it's not that's it not popular or that on occasion it can't draw a lot. Of course it can. It's new and interesting. It draws. Just like Ronda did. Will it last? I don't think so. Not consistently like the men do either.

It didn't go over big because a "women's revolution" use to mean more tits and ass. Now that we're getting women that can wrestle and do feuds. WWE fans interest is beyond reason. I thought to myself after the triple threat match at mania, "holy shit, they're stepping up their game with women a lot. This is awesome." Since then I've had a genuine interest in wanting to watch the diva for once. It's much better. Better than most of the men on the roster? Highly debatable, but it's entertaining and will continue to draw for sure. My point is that it won't continue to be as big as it is in this exact moment. Since mania 32, it's caught the attention of WWE fans, yes, and hopefully it's stays that way. But will it continue to draw more ratings night in and out than guys like AJ styles, Roman, Brock, Goldberg, and cena can offer? Time will tell, but my bets are no. Again, it'll always draw from this point forward. But will it be as big? I don't think so.

WWE is a sport. Obvsiously diff than most, but it's competitive and everyone wants to be the best. Thus, comparing how women draw for nearly any other sport to wrestling has some relevance. Sasha and charolotte, much like Ronda for UFC, are doing great things for the sport and drawing shit loads. But me stating that because it's new and fresh, and saying that it may not last isn't "so wrong it's not even funny." It's pretty obvious and backed up by common sense and any other sport, for the most part. I hope that I'm wrong as you say, but I think it's drawing big now and may continue for the next few years. But will it stay this way and the hype continue? Will it be able to keep headlining events and draw like Roman, cena, styles, Owens, and Rollins can? Maybe, I'm just saying that I doubt it.

There's a demand for women's wrestling and I'm so glad that this is all happening. But I'm also being realistic and just pointing out what I feel to be the obvious.

WNBA and NBA are two different shows where as WWE and UFC are the same shows with multiple rosters, they're ratings will differ. The WWE is a sport/soap opera hybrid, NBA is a national sport league. NBA is viewed by many more people than WWE and is not a weekly based program that builds to blow off shows on a premium network and is only aired at certain times aside from this NBA is vastly more popular as well. No, you can't fucking compare them.

She wasn't their biggest draw for the Women, she was their biggest draw end of story until Conor McGregor took than torch when after she lost her streak and now both hold the title of biggest draw for the company regardless of gender.

You're argument that if Charlotte left the Women's Division it would die and that if Cena did the same it wouldn't is so beyond stupid and you clearly haven't fact checked a damn thing in your argument. John Cena and Brock Lesnar are the single biggest draws in WWE end of story, let me explain why. John Cena is charismatic, he is the face of their brand, he is their golden child and has been built as such since 2005 so for 11 years he has been their biggest star and hence why after 11 YEARS of being built as the biggest draw, he has become their biggest draw. What happens when he leaves? THE RATINGS DROP. What happens when he leaves? AJ Styles, Dean Ambrose and James Ellsworth need to kill time until he gets back because John Cena is the key to the entire Smackdown Live Male Roster and the Raw Male Roster is failing and their ratings are dropping because they don't have that star power and the one guy they want as that star is being rejected. You also claim Roman, Brock, Styles, Cena and Goldberg can draw more which is again fucking stupid. AJ Styles and Roman Reigns don't draw, as stated above in this thread Sasha Banks and Charlotte Flair had one of the biggest ratings for Raw Main Events this fall, who else was main eventing Raw this year? Roman Reigns. They drew more than him. AJ Styles can be a draw and he is Smackdown's World Champion but Sasha and Charlotte drew more than him when they main evented Raw. Multiple reasons for that one being Raw draws more than Smackdown but this fall there has been a pretty narrow window between shows. Goldberg draws because HE HASN'T BEEN AROUND FOR 12 YEARS AND HE WAS A HUGE STAR BACK THEN, he draws for Nostalgia. Brock and Cena again are their single biggest draws, Brock draws because when he shows up all rules on the roster are forgotten, he gets weapons and blood and swearing etc etc. There is that argument squashed.

Is WWE Womens Wrestling better than their Mens? It can be, Wrestlemania was a perfect example. They went out there and tore the roof off the place and no one matched them that night. Triple H and Roman Reigns couldn't, Undertaker and Shane McMahon couldn't and freaking Brock Lesnar couldn't (Although that was his own laziness the point still stands. Sasha Banks And Charlotte have had two of the best if not the best Raw Main Events this year and it draws because of that.

Would the WWE Women's Division die without Charlotte? Christ no, they could instantly turn Sasha Banks heel and have her face Bayley at Wrestlemania for the belt and they could tear the roof down for the third time (Twice in NXT they had MOTN, they were voted MOTY and also won the runner up for MOTY.) Why? Because they are fantastic. Lets say for example what if Charlotte and Sasha both were injured at the same time, would the division die? For a short time, its possible but again they have two women down in NXT they could draft and use with Asuka and Ember Moon and even aside from that Bayley Vs Nia Jax would be of lesser quality but they could work around it. The only reason the division could possibly die without Sasha and Charlotte is because the roster is paper thin from WWE's decision to split the rosters. The only reason the Womens UFC roster died after Ronda was because 1. They lost their biggest star for a year which would happen to any company and has happened to WWE's male roster before and we're currently stuck in limbo without Cena right now. and 2. Because each fight had a title change because no one was able to hold the belt long term.

You can keep making stupid arguments and claim the men draw more but the original post in this thread is proof they draw more and I've written about why they draw more. WWE's Women Division is being built up more than ever before and its drawing because its providing excellent matches, from this point moving forward its clear WWE has intentions of making Charlotte and Sasha stars and its not an overnight process. When the WWE Women's Division gets its John Cena it will draw even more. They don't draw because its the "new thing", they draw because they are the best part of the show. I even said it today, The Cruiserweights are the new piss break. I'd rather watch Sasha and Charlotte wrestle for 30 minutes straight than watch another Owens/Reigns match.

 

[Jacob Fox]

WNBA and NBA are two different shows where as WWE and UFC are the same shows with multiple rosters, they're ratings will differ. The WWE is a sport/soap opera hybrid, NBA is a national sport league. NBA is viewed by many more people than WWE and is not a weekly based program that builds to blow off shows on a premium network and is only aired at certain times aside from this NBA is vastly more popular as well. No, you can't fucking compare them.

She wasn't their biggest draw for the Women, she was their biggest draw end of story until Conor McGregor took than torch when after she lost her streak and now both hold the title of biggest draw for the company regardless of gender.

You're argument that if Charlotte left the Women's Division it would die and that if Cena did the same it wouldn't is so beyond stupid and you clearly haven't fact checked a damn thing in your argument. John Cena and Brock Lesnar are the single biggest draws in WWE end of story, let me explain why. John Cena is charismatic, he is the face of their brand, he is their golden child and has been built as such since 2005 so for 11 years he has been their biggest star and hence why after 11 YEARS of being built as the biggest draw, he has become their biggest draw. What happens when he leaves? THE RATINGS DROP. What happens when he leaves? AJ Styles, Dean Ambrose and James Ellsworth need to kill time until he gets back because John Cena is the key to the entire Smackdown Live Male Roster and the Raw Male Roster is failing and their ratings are dropping because they don't have that star power and the one guy they want as that star is being rejected. You also claim Roman, Brock, Styles, Cena and Goldberg can draw more which is again fucking stupid. AJ Styles and Roman Reigns don't draw, as stated above in this thread Sasha Banks and Charlotte Flair had one of the biggest ratings for Raw Main Events this fall, who else was main eventing Raw this year? Roman Reigns. They drew more than him. AJ Styles can be a draw and he is Smackdown's World Champion but Sasha and Charlotte drew more than him when they main evented Raw. Multiple reasons for that one being Raw draws more than Smackdown but this fall there has been a pretty narrow window between shows. Goldberg draws because HE HASN'T BEEN AROUND FOR 12 YEARS AND HE WAS A HUGE STAR BACK THEN, he draws for Nostalgia. Brock and Cena again are their single biggest draws, Brock draws because when he shows up all rules on the roster are forgotten, he gets weapons and blood and swearing etc etc. There is that argument squashed.

Is WWE Womens Wrestling better than their Mens? It can be, Wrestlemania was a perfect example. They went out there and tore the roof off the place and no one matched them that night. Triple H and Roman Reigns couldn't, Undertaker and Shane McMahon couldn't and freaking Brock Lesnar couldn't (Although that was his own laziness the point still stands. Sasha Banks And Charlotte have had two of the best if not the best Raw Main Events this year and it draws because of that.

Would the WWE Women's Division die without Charlotte? Christ no, they could instantly turn Sasha Banks heel and have her face Bayley at Wrestlemania for the belt and they could tear the roof down for the third time (Twice in NXT they had MOTN, they were voted MOTY and also won the runner up for MOTY.) Why? Because they are fantastic. Lets say for example what if Charlotte and Sasha both were injured at the same time, would the division die? For a short time, its possible but again they have two women down in NXT they could draft and use with Asuka and Ember Moon and even aside from that Bayley Vs Nia Jax would be of lesser quality but they could work around it. The only reason the division could possibly die without Sasha and Charlotte is because the roster is paper thin from WWE's decision to split the rosters. The only reason the Womens UFC roster died after Ronda was because 1. They lost their biggest star for a year which would happen to any company and has happened to WWE's male roster before and we're currently stuck in limbo without Cena right now. and 2. Because each fight had a title change because no one was able to hold the belt long term.

You can keep making stupid arguments and claim the men draw more but the original post in this thread is proof they draw more and I've written about why they draw more. WWE's Women Division is being built up more than ever before and its drawing because its providing excellent matches, from this point moving forward its clear WWE has intentions of making Charlotte and Sasha stars and its not an overnight process. When the WWE Women's Division gets its John Cena it will draw even more. They don't draw because its the "new thing", they draw because they are the best part of the show. I even said it today, The Cruiserweights are the new piss break. I'd rather watch Sasha and Charlotte wrestle for 30 minutes straight than watch another Owens/Reigns match.

You can have the discussion without calling his argument "fucking stupid" over and over again. If it happens again, I'll consider it flaming. Simply because you disagree with someone doesn't make their opinion "fucking stupid." So cut it out, please .

 

[edge4ever]

WNBA and NBA are two different shows where as WWE and UFC are the same shows with multiple rosters, they're ratings will differ. The WWE is a sport/soap opera hybrid, NBA is a national sport league. NBA is viewed by many more people than WWE and is not a weekly based program that builds to blow off shows on a premium network and is only aired at certain times aside from this NBA is vastly more popular as well. No, you can't fucking compare them.

She wasn't their biggest draw for the Women, she was their biggest draw end of story until Conor McGregor took than torch when after she lost her streak and now both hold the title of biggest draw for the company regardless of gender.

You're argument that if Charlotte left the Women's Division it would die and that if Cena did the same it wouldn't is so beyond stupid and you clearly haven't fact checked a damn thing in your argument. John Cena and Brock Lesnar are the single biggest draws in WWE end of story, let me explain why. John Cena is charismatic, he is the face of their brand, he is their golden child and has been built as such since 2005 so for 11 years he has been their biggest star and hence why after 11 YEARS of being built as the biggest draw, he has become their biggest draw. What happens when he leaves? THE RATINGS DROP. What happens when he leaves? AJ Styles, Dean Ambrose and James Ellsworth need to kill time until he gets back because John Cena is the key to the entire Smackdown Live Male Roster and the Raw Male Roster is failing and their ratings are dropping because they don't have that star power and the one guy they want as that star is being rejected. You also claim Roman, Brock, Styles, Cena and Goldberg can draw more which is again fucking stupid. AJ Styles and Roman Reigns don't draw, as stated above in this thread Sasha Banks and Charlotte Flair had one of the biggest ratings for Raw Main Events this fall, who else was main eventing Raw this year? Roman Reigns. They drew more than him. AJ Styles can be a draw and he is Smackdown's World Champion but Sasha and Charlotte drew more than him when they main evented Raw. Multiple reasons for that one being Raw draws more than Smackdown but this fall there has been a pretty narrow window between shows. Goldberg draws because HE HASN'T BEEN AROUND FOR 12 YEARS AND HE WAS A HUGE STAR BACK THEN, he draws for Nostalgia. Brock and Cena again are their single biggest draws, Brock draws because when he shows up all rules on the roster are forgotten, he gets weapons and blood and swearing etc etc. There is that argument squashed.

Is WWE Womens Wrestling better than their Mens? It can be, Wrestlemania was a perfect example. They went out there and tore the roof off the place and no one matched them that night. Triple H and Roman Reigns couldn't, Undertaker and Shane McMahon couldn't and freaking Brock Lesnar couldn't (Although that was his own laziness the point still stands. Sasha Banks And Charlotte have had two of the best if not the best Raw Main Events this year and it draws because of that.

Would the WWE Women's Division die without Charlotte? Christ no, they could instantly turn Sasha Banks heel and have her face Bayley at Wrestlemania for the belt and they could tear the roof down for the third time (Twice in NXT they had MOTN, they were voted MOTY and also won the runner up for MOTY.) Why? Because they are fantastic. Lets say for example what if Charlotte and Sasha both were injured at the same time, would the division die? For a short time, its possible but again they have two women down in NXT they could draft and use with Asuka and Ember Moon and even aside from that Bayley Vs Nia Jax would be of lesser quality but they could work around it. The only reason the division could possibly die without Sasha and Charlotte is because the roster is paper thin from WWE's decision to split the rosters. The only reason the Womens UFC roster died after Ronda was because 1. They lost their biggest star for a year which would happen to any company and has happened to WWE's male roster before and we're currently stuck in limbo without Cena right now. and 2. Because each fight had a title change because no one was able to hold the belt long term.

You can keep making stupid arguments and claim the men draw more but the original post in this thread is proof they draw more and I've written about why they draw more. WWE's Women Division is being built up more than ever before and its drawing because its providing excellent matches, from this point moving forward its clear WWE has intentions of making Charlotte and Sasha stars and its not an overnight process. When the WWE Women's Division gets its John Cena it will draw even more. They don't draw because its the "new thing", they draw because they are the best part of the show. I even said it today, The Cruiserweights are the new piss break. I'd rather watch Sasha and Charlotte wrestle for 30 minutes straight than watch another Owens/Reigns match.

Agree to disgaree. I stopped reading after your first paragraph because you started getting angrily defensive, and your first point about the NBA, UFC, and WWE just showed that you're trying to force you woman's point so much that your logic doesn't have to make sense. The women draw more one night in a main event and all hands on deck the women are beating the men and more entertaining!!!??!?????! Obsurd.

What's funny is that I want this to be bigger. I like the women's division where it is and I think it'll get bigger. Again, I don't feel that because one night they drew huge, that doesn't mean they'll continually be able to draw like the men can. That's it. My only point. End of story. Not replying anymore and I shouldn't have even elaborated any more on this silly topic. Good for you and for the women to get a huge rating for a main event. Kudos. Peace out Girl Scout!