PSYCH Rambles: About the Harts' Being Boring and Overrated

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Honestly I would be pissed it any were any diva but Natalya, but the Harts bore the fuck out of me and nothing they have ever done has ever gotten her over or showed any personality on her part be she heel or face (probably in the DNA as only Owen was ever an entertaining personality to me). The thing is she has never shown in a WWE ring the ability to be so good in the ring I can ignore her being a drone, in fact for all the Hart blood in the world, I have often times found her to be behind McCool, Layla, Melina, Mickie, and Beth more often than not
 

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Honestly I would be pissed it any were any diva but Natalya, but the Harts bore the fuck out of me and nothing they have ever done has ever gotten her over or showed any personality on her part be she heel or face (probably in the DNA as only Owen was ever an entertaining personality to me).
Plenty of people find the Harts boring, particularly Bret. While I don't agree, I can see why some people would. Regardless, the Hart family is probably the single most important North American wrestling family of the past 30 years. No reason Nattie should be the butt of a joke like this. No one should, really.

Bret was always pretty critical of stupid shit like this during the Attitude era, I wonder what he thinks of his niece being treated like that. I'm sure I could hum a few bars.
 

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I would say Bret was important, but the family as a whole was overrated mostly because Owen died how he did and we all remember it if you were watching that ppv live, as it was just hard to see and forget. I would argue that the Johnson/Mavia and Guerrero (yes I would take chavo over Andvil/Bulldog and quite a few when it comes to wrestling and entertaining) families placed over most of the Harts. I mean outside Bret, Owen was entertaining but no bigger than Goldust was when he was at his peak in the IC division. They just never did it for me, but like I said, I'll always say Bret could wrestle great which offset his shortcomings and in turn boosted the family name up. I think Natalya's biggest down fall is she simply can't find that way to connect. Beth and McCool could wrestle a hard hitting style so the fans got into that. Melina was bendy and could talk. Mickie got put over by Trish and Lita. Layla learned a lot from Michelle and in turn helped her develop a personality. Kelly even for all her short comings just has that ability to interact with the fans no matter how bad her skills at time were, much like Maria did. Natalya has had Bret come in and talk her up and she didn't get over, been partnered with Beth and didn't get over, tried as a face to stop LayCool and didn't get over, and managed a team who didn't get over. She really doesn't connect, so they are doing silly shit with her kinda like Steve Blackman. Her look hurts as well because you can't make her not look manly, like they can do with Tamina/Chyna/Beth/Jazz. I wish they just cut ties all together because she has a lot in common with DH when it comes to being a drone, and would benefit from a reset and just simply wrestling in TNA where she could do all her moves, spots, and have a crowd who cheers anything
 
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I think you're very much underrating how huge the Hart family is internationally. That family and esp Bret are pretty damn huge when you talk about outside the U.S. Bret was still a big deal in the U.S just not as much as he was in Canada and other countries.
 

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I know how huge Smith and Owen/Anvil were in their respective lands. I just didn't dig them. Davey was solid, had a great look, but he couldn't talk a girl out of her panties. He was just boring, a specimen to look at sure, but boring, much like his son. Anvil was great for being an enforcer character, but he wasn't better than Arn Anderson at it, and as a tag general he was a lesser version of Bubba Ray imo. Owen to me could be really funny and he could work, but I don't think he was world title material based off his wrestling alone like Benoit, a great blend of both like Eddie, or as charismatic as Perfect which is why he pretty much capped out at the IC level.

I would argue that Rock's dad was huge when it came to being a black wrestler and winning tag gold for the first time in a big company. He was a ground breaker because they trusted him with the strap and later on, other black wrestlers were trusted with great responsibility because he didn't fuck it up and understood the weight of it so that a guy like Booker or Simmons could do what they did. Then Rock as we know became the biggest wrestler in the history of the business when it came to transcending boundaries.

I would argue that Eddie was a special blend of amazing charisma, technical wrestling, and could work so many styles. I'd say that Hector, Chavo Classic, and Mundo doing what they did with the lucha style was huge because shawn Michaels admittedly sought to adapt that style into his work by getting a hold of a tape of Hector, and we all know how that turned out for Shawn as he pretty much is accepted in the main stream is the greatest performer in the company that defines professional wrestling using what he saw from them. I'd argue that Chavo Jr.'s work bringing the CW division to the United States was top 5 of all time up there with Rey, Konnan, and Malenko. That his tag work as Los Guerreros was top noth and what he did on ECW to prepare the likes of Bourne and others adapt to the WWE style can't be overlooked. Shout out to Vickie and Shaul as well.

I get that the Harts were big. I'm not denying that. I'm not a fan of them. Quite a few people are and I get why they could be. The thing to me though is that if Bret wasn't in the right price at the right time with that scandal and people leaving, he would have been in the good but didn't reach the top category like Piper and Perfect to me. And if he was not the champion of the company and guy who they were forced into going with when they did because he was at the top of the next tier after the guys left, I doubt the family ever gets the kind of press they would because none of them made that huge impact. They weren't the family who constantly evolved. They weren't even the stable who broke barriers and everyone remembers like DX, Evolution, the Horsemen, and countless others. Owen should be in the HOF like Bulldog is sure, but really and truly, when you think the mid card division's history in the WWF/E do their name pop up before Jericho, Goldust, and countless others? When you think tag division does the foundation come off your tongue as being greater than the likes of the Hardys, Dudleys, Edge and Christian, LOD? When you think Hart's, aren't the first things to pop into your mind Bret Hart and Owen's death? When you think Stu's greatest pupils, does his own family even come up after Bret, or do you immediately jump to Jericho and Benoit?

Just how I feel
 
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Davey couldn't talk a girl out of her panties? Um... have you seen Davey Boy's wife? She's pretty hot now, even for her age. Did you just forget about his and Bret's epic Summer Slam rivalry that culminated in a sold out Wembley Stadium? That match was for the Intercontinental title, it came after Hogan and everything else.

And Stu Hart is the most important member of that family, not Bret. Not even close. When I think "Hart Family", I think of Stu. He trained an entire generation of popular wrestlers in his basement. Not just no-names who never amounted to anything, but dozens of serious stars in the business. He was a thousand times more important than Rocky Johnson. Owen's death isn't even one of the top 10 things I think about their family tbh. I'm sorry PSYCH, but if that's the first thing you think of when you hear "Hart Family", then you know very, very little about that family. Just sayin'.

And the Hart Foundation didn't break any barriers? How about orchestrating an international rivalry between two country's fans who normally have absolutely nothing against one another? I guess you haven't seen the pre-show vids of the borderline racist shit Canadian fans outside the arena before shows would say about Americans and vice versa. The fans got so fumed over a wrestling angle that they actually publicly dissed citizens of the other country strictly because of their nationality. It was arguably the greatest and most creative story line of that decade. And it was NEVER done before and hasn't been replicated anywhere near that degree since. Pretty sure Bret and Owen were the first two brothers to face each other at Wrestlemania, too. So yeah... lol @ your claim to them not breaking barriers. Total nonsense.
 

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Davey couldn't talk a girl out of her panties? Um... have you seen Davey Boy's wife? She's pretty hot now, even for her age. Did you just forget about his and Bret's epic Summer Slam rivalry that culminated in a sold out Wembley Stadium? That match was for the Intercontinental title, it came after Hogan and everything else.

And Stu Hart is the most important member of that family, not Bret. Not even close. When I think "Hart Family", I think of Stu. He trained an entire generation of popular wrestlers in his basement. Not just no-names who never amounted to anything, but dozens of serious stars in the business. He was a thousand times more important than Rocky Johnson. Owen's death isn't even one of the top 10 things I think about their family tbh. I'm sorry PSYCH, but if that's the first thing you think of when you hear "Hart Family", then you know very, very little about that family. Just sayin'.

And the Hart Foundation didn't break any barriers? How about orchestrating an international rivalry between two country's fans who normally have absolutely nothing against one another? I guess you haven't seen the pre-show vids of the borderline racist shit Canadian fans outside the arena before shows would say about Americans and vice versa. The fans got so fumed over a wrestling angle that they actually publicly dissed citizens of the other country strictly because of their nationality. It was arguably the greatest and most creative story line of that decade. And it was NEVER done before and hasn't been replicated anywhere near that degree since. Pretty sure Bret and Owen were the first two brothers to face each other at Wrestlemania, too. So yeah... lol @ your claim to them not breaking barriers. Total nonsense.
Where did I say didn't break barriers? The only one who I mentioned breaking a barrier was Rock's dad who broke the barriers for a whole race to be taken seriously. Read, don't twist.
 

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And the Hart Foundation didn't break any barriers? How about orchestrating an international rivalry between two country's fans who normally have absolutely nothing against one another? I guess you haven't seen the pre-show vids of the borderline racist shit Canadian fans outside the arena before shows would say about Americans and vice versa. The fans got so fumed over a wrestling angle that they actually publicly dissed citizens of the other country strictly because of their nationality. It was arguably the greatest and most creative story line of that decade. And it was NEVER done before and hasn't been replicated anywhere near that degree since. Pretty sure Bret and Owen were the first two brothers to face each other at Wrestlemania, too. So yeah... lol @ your claim to them not breaking barriers. Total nonsense.

American isn't a race.
 

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Split these posts from the original thread of Trish returning or whatever it was because it's kinda gone off topic, so feel free to carry it on here.
 

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Thanks Mak and/or Dale lol.

I might have to make a weekly Psych rambles thread now ... Bet it attracts discussion and blows Sals talk out the water like Raw and Nitro
 
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I plan on going one family member at a time now ... so check back starting tomorrow, well later today depending on where u at
 

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American isn't a race.
Duh.
I plan on going one family member at a time now ... so check back starting tomorrow, well later today depending on where u at
Don't waste your time. We get it, you don't like that Harts and you know very little about them. No need to elaborate further.
 
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Seems like you need to read the entire sentence before making sarcastic misfires. Considering I'm American, I really doubt I would ever forget it.
 

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Pretty surprised PSYCH didn't come up with this idea of his own long ago to have a threads rambling about stuff. Might make for a interesting (probably wrong) article.