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I wonder what he has planned if he is not getting rings. It's pretty cool that he is paying for the parade out of his own pocket is cool though.

DALLAS -- The NBA champion Dallas Mavericks are back in Texas.

Hundreds of jubilant fans gathered at Love Field as the jet carrying the team landed in Dallas at about noon Monday, one day after the Mavericks wrapped up the NBA title with a Game 6 win against the Miami Heat. The plane passed under a water cannon welcome at the airport.

Owner Mark Cuban walked off the plane carrying the championship trophy. Dirk Nowitzki followed him carrying his MVP trophy. Both carried the hardware to a high fence surrounding the runway, allowing fans to get a close look.

It is the first NBA championship title for Dallas and the city is planning a parade, with details to be announced later. Mayor Dwaine Caraway said the city is in a budget crunch but still plans a parade, though Cuban repeated Monday that he will personally pay for the celebration.

"We'll do it," Cuban said early Monday morning. "All I told them was -- Terdema Ussery, our president -- you plan the parade. I'll pay for it because I don't think it's right for the city to have to pay for it. And let's just have some fun."

Five years ago, after Dallas took a 2-0 lead in the Finals over the Heat and were bound for South Beach, parade plans were revealed and it became the first embarrassing mishap in an epic meltdown that has finally come to an end.

One area where Cuban hinted he might break with tradition is presenting championship rings to his players.

"I might not get rings," the Mavs' billionaire owner told NBATV. "Rings are old school. You've seen it before: There's guys who pick up the sweats and towels and they have these big, blingy rings. I'm like, 'Rings are done. It's time to take it to the next level.'"

Police say no property damage or injuries were reported after fans crowded into downtown Dallas on Sunday night. Dallas police reported 14 arrests, including six for public intoxication, four for disorderly conduct and four people taken into custody on outstanding warrants.

Over the past year, the Dallas area has hosted the World Series and the Super Bowl but the Mavericks are the most recent pro championship since the Dallas Stars won the Stanley Cup in 1999.
 

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NBA season over, when will they play again?

posted a little on this the other day but it seems like more certainly the league is going the NFL rout and a lockout could be just around the corner...

MIAMI (AP)—As Dirk Nowitzki(notes) and Dwyane Wade(notes) traded big shots in a thrilling NBA finals, with fans tuning in at levels the league hadn’t seen since the days of the Kobe-Shaq Lakers, the questions came more frequently.

The answers grow harder to understand.

How can Commissioner David Stern tell all those viewers to go watch something else?

Why are owners and players willing to throw away all the momentum the league has built since last summer?

How can they shut it down now?

“It’s an odd position, when the game is the best it’s ever been, when the ratings are the highest they’ve ever been, when the excitement is the greatest it’s ever (been),â€￾ Players Association attorney Jeffrey Kessler said last week. “It’s sort of odd to see the owners say we’re going to destroy this game unless you change this whole system. Players just want to play.â€￾

Nobody can predict when they’ll get that chance again. When the Dallas Mavericks finished off the Miami Heat on Sunday night in Game 6, it sent the NBA into a most uncertain offseason.

Owners and players are nowhere close on a new collective bargaining agreement to replace the one that expires June 30. Without a new deal, players say they have been told by the owners they will be locked out.

The NBA was reduced to a 50-game season by a work stoppage in 1998-99, and the loss of games is a threat now. Citing leaguewide losses of about $300 million this season, the league hasn’t budged on its desire for significant changes to the financial structure, ranging from reductions in the length of contracts and the amount of guarantees, to an overhaul of the salary cap system that would prevent teams from being able to exceed it, as they can now under certain exceptions.

And Stern said the record TV ratings and all the other positive attention the league has received doesn’t make him any more motivated to get this settled, since he’d want to do it anyway.

“I don’t need any external prod to want to be able to make a deal,â€￾ he said.

The clincher was the highest-rated Game 6 ever on ABC, and fans have pointed to the ratings for that network, along with ESPN and TNT, as reasons why things can’t be as bad as the league claims. Yet those ratings mean nothing to the NBA: Its long-term contract with those network partners guarantee its money whether people watch or not.

Yet they are watching, in large part because of the Heat. When LeBron James(notes) and Chris Bosh(notes) joined Wade in Miami, it created a must-see team, either in hopes of watching it win or with the desire of witnessing its failure.

“Obviously, what we’ve been able to do with the star power down in Miami and obviously the city of Miami, it hasn’t hurt in the sense of whether people don’t like it or whether they like it. All year they’ve tuned in to see, is it going to be a meltdown with this team?â€￾ Wade said during the finals.

“We’ve been having a lot of record-breaking views of people tuning in to check out a lot of our games,â€￾ he added. “As players we appreciate the support, whether it’s positive or negative, you’re watching our game. That’s what we appreciate. Because it’s our job to make sure as pioneers of the game that it continues to grow long when we’re done.â€￾

The feeling was so different for the NBA a year ago. It rode a seven-game series between the Lakers and Celtics right into the offseason, knowing its historic free-agent season would dominate the headlines, giving it far more offseason press than usual. With those longtime rivals still strong, and major market cities such as Chicago and New York scoring in free agency and surging in the standings, the attention continued right into the season.

But the free agency bonanza also showed why owners want the changes. Stern has said they feel the pressure to spend as much as possible to show their fans a commitment to win. The smaller-market teams, meanwhile, don’t have the luxury of taking those chances, knowing the money won’t be coming in through ticket sales and local TV revenue if their teams struggle. So now they want a system that would curb their spending through a hard salary cap, which the players strongly oppose.

“We got max salaries, we got a limit on annual increases, we got restrictions on player movement, so we’ve got as far as I’m concerned pretty much a hard cap,â€￾ union executive director Billy Hunter said.

The sides are scheduled to meet twice this week and say they hope for frequent discussions before the end of the month. Should those fail, the NBA could follow the NFL’s labor situation right into the court system, which both sides say they want to avoid. So although a work stoppage in July wouldn’t seem to have much effect since games aren’t going on, Stern insists “we very much feel the weight of the deadline.â€￾

But can they get something done before it?

“I think this is going to be a scenario where the players are going to have to sacrifice and I think at the end of the day the owners are probably going sacrifice a little bit as well,â€￾ player rep Roger Mason(notes) Jr. of the Knicks said. “I guess the biggest thing is figuring out what that middle ground is and we haven’t been able to do that at this point.â€￾
 

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Re: NBA season over, when will they play again?

The difference is, it seems like the NFL/Players are working towards a conclusion to the Lockout.

The NBA will go a LONG time before it even starts getting positive.

I expect to see a shortened season next year(much like 98-99 was)
 

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Re: Mark Cuban to pay for parade, but not rings?

It's awesome he's paying for the parade so Dallas doesn't have to.

I expect awesomeness tommorrow morning.


BTW, I fully expect all those players to get rings, most of them are Vets, and have been chasing "the ring", so I don't think Cuban will deprive those players of that.

BUT, I also expect them to get a ring PLUS something else. What that is, I have NO idea...but I"m sure it'll be epic, lol.
 

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Another meeting set for Tuesday

NBA season in jeopardy as the Owner/Players battle it out at the negotiating table...

NEW YORK -- In a somewhat conciliatory gesture, NBA owners relaxed their stance on guaranteed contracts Friday during the latest round of collective bargaining negotiations to replace the labor agreement that expires at the end of this month.

The players welcomed the move but cautioned there was still a wide gulf to be bridged. The sides are still hundreds of millions of dollars apart on how to split revenues, and the owners are still asking for a hard salary cap system.

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Another labor meeting is set for next Tuesday, and commissioner David Stern said the onus will be on the players to make a new economic proposal.

"The time to have an optimistic or pessimistic view is at the close of the day Tuesday. That's an important day," Stern said after the sides met for nearly five hours. "Time is running out, but both parties seem, at least to me, intent to make a deal by June 30."

The question of guaranteed contracts has been called a "blood issue" in the past by union director Billy Hunter, and the owners had earlier proposed a new system in which all contracts would contain only partial guarantees.

But that proposal was taken off the table Tuesday, with the owners agreeing to continue with the current system in which guarantees on individual contracts are a negotiable issue on a case-by-case basis.

"Every move is important, but if there is still a hard cap, it is not as significant," union attorney Jeffrey Kessler said.

Still, the day began with the sides far apart on three issues -- the split of revenues, the type of salary-cap system the league will operate under and the question of contract guarantees -- and ended with one of those items crossed off the list.

How to resolve the sides' remaining differences remains a puzzle, and the key will be the almighty dollar -- or, more specifically, the split of those dollars.

"One piece controls several hundred thousand pieces, so essentially we could put together a million-piece puzzle in a very short time if we can get two or three pieces in the right place, and that's what we're focused on doing," union president Derek Fisher said.

Owners are seeking to redefine the calculation of basketball-related income, the pile of net revenues of which the players, under the current system, are guaranteed 57 percent.

The union has offered to drop that guarantee, but it has been unable to agree with the owners on either a formula for a recalculated BRI or the percentage of those revenues that each side would get under the terms of a new deal.

"Everyone is a little frustrated," said Maurice Evans of the Washington Wizards, a member of the union's executive council. "We feel like they're trying to give us things that we already have.

"But are we committed to trying to hammer out a deal and see their perspective? Yes, we are," Evans said.

Stern said each side has presented three formal proposals plus one informal proposal, and he said the owners decided to yield on the issue of guaranteed contracts because of the significance several players placed on that issue during the course of negotiations over the past 18 months.

"I would say we're not on the same page right now, but there's some good conversations going on, and both sides are trying to come to an agreement. We'll see what happens," said Carmelo Anthony of the New York Knicks, who is not a member of the union's negotiating committee. "It was a must that I came to this meeting, just for me to sit in there in the position I'm in and with the stature I have."

Prior to the meeting, which began at noon ET at a hotel across the street from league headquarters, Hunter said the players wanted to see a more reasonable split of revenues put forth by the owners, who are proposing a 10-year agreement in which certain changes would be phased in.

The sides ended Friday's meeting still in disagreement on exactly how much of a financial sacrifice the players are being asked to make. In their early proposals, owners demanded a reduction of some $750 million to $800 million in player salaries from the $2.1 billion that players earned in the 2010-11 season. The union maintains that is still the case, whereas Stern and deputy commissioner Adam Silver contend the owners have scaled back those demands considerably.

Absent more tangible signs of progress Tuesday, the sides are expected to dig in their heels for what would be the league's first work stoppage since the summer of 1998 -- a lockout that lasted into February of 1999 before a truncated 50-game season was played.

"Nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to," Stern said. "The clock is ticking and the runway is shortening."

Hunter indicated there is a growing belief that a group of hard-line owners are dictating the pace and tone of the negotiating process.

"The owners appear to be pretty unified in their position," Hunter told ESPN.com. "If I had to say who, I'd probably say the small markets are driving. Because if you look at the big markets -- Chicago, L.A., New York -- they're making tons of money. So it's not an issue with them, it's an issue of the smaller markets. I think that David (Stern), if he feels the climate is right within the room and there is a deal to be made, then David still has enough sway to make the deal. But I'm not sure that's an easy move on their part."

Also Friday, the league told the players that this weekend it would be canceling its Las Vegas Summer League, which would have started in early July. Silver stressed that was simply a function of the calendar, not a threat to the players.

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Sources: Cavs still discussing options

Cav's still considering options with first pick in this years NBA draft.

The consensus among NBA teams is that Cleveland will select Duke freshman guard Kyrie Irving with the No. 1 pick in Thursday's draft.

But the Cavaliers aren't acting as if they've made a decision, and according to multiple sources, they are actively discussing a number of possibilities. They likely will go with Irving, but there are scenarios in which they might not.

The Cavaliers haven't told Irving that he is the No. 1 pick, and Arizona's Derrick Williams is a legitimate contender for the top spot.

Cleveland, which also holds the No. 4 overall pick, will bring in Kentucky point guard Brandon Knight for a visit early this week. Former Kentucky student Enes Kanter of Turkey, who was ruled by the NCAA to be permanently ineligible with the school, will return for a second visit.

Should the Cavaliers decide to pick Williams, a forward, and Kanter, a center, it would put pressure on the team to find another point guard, possibly in this draft, even with Baron Davis still under contract.

The Minnesota Timberwolves, meanwhile, won't let Williams or Irving slip beyond No. 2. Sources with knowledge of the situation say that if the Cavaliers pick Irving at No. 1, the Timberwolves will take Williams at No. 2, and don't plan on trading Michael Beasley or Anthony Randolph.

If the Cavs were to select Williams, the Timberwolves would take Irving at No. 2, even with the impending arrival of Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio. The Timberwolves would hold onto the Irving asset and likely command a number of suitors. Reserve point guard Jonny Flynn then would be on the trade block.

With Irving and Williams going 1-2 in some order, that leaves Utah at No. 3, with a decision between Knight and Kanter. The Jazz worked out Knight solo on Thursday and were impressed with his effort, even without competition.

Knight passed on working out Wednesday with Connecticut's Kemba Walker and BYU's Jimmer Fredette. Fredette is in play for the Jazz at No. 12 if they were to select Kanter at No. 3.

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NBA players worry about fans lockout feelings...

They should be worried, fans pay quite a bit of their salaries year after year and your going to repay them by potentially taking the sport away from them...

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. -- NBA players who just finished a season capped by the highest rated championship series in more than a decade are concerned about how their labor dispute and a potential work stoppage before next season will affect their surging fan base.

Luke Walton said the packed road arenas the Los Angeles Lakers played in this season suggest the league's popularity is at a high point, and he's most concerned about how fans would respond if the labor issues aren't resolved and cause a delay to the start of the next season.

"The idea of the lockout and losing fans is probably the scariest thing of all," the eight-year veteran said. "Even moreso than missing games or losing out on your salary for however long you lose those games, it's losing the fan support because it's at an all-time high right now."

The numbers bear it out.

All three networks that televise NBA games reported a huge increase in viewers, led by a 42 percent increase for TNT. ABC had 38 percent more viewers, and ESPN had 28 percent more.

Arena capacity was 90.3 percent, its seventh straight year of 90 or better, and the 17,306 average was up 1 percent from last year and is the fifth highest in the league's history.

With the emergence of Derrick Rose as the league MVP, young teams in Oklahoma City and Memphis rising up to challenge traditional powers such as the Lakers and NBA champion Dallas Mavericks, and even the New York Knicks on the rise with the addition of Carmelo Anthony, the league seems to have as many viable contenders as in recent memory, which adds to its allure.

To stop the momentum with a lockout that fans might perceive as a selfish battle between already rich greedy owners and greedy players, Walton said, would be taking a huge risk.

"We know how dangerous it can be. We've seen it happen before. We've seen it happen in our sport with the last lockout. We saw it happen in baseball, hockey, and it's damaging," he said at the NBPA's annual Top 100 camp for elite high school players. Walton was taking part in a coach program for players at the camp, which wraps up Sunday at the University of Virginia.

"The popularity is at the top," he said. "It's high, and the ratings were record-breaking the last few years, and from the fans' perspective, the owners make a ton of money and are very wealthy, and the players make a ton of money and are very wealthy, so its kind of hard for them to sympathize with either side when these guys are hard-working people trying to make it and they're spending their hard-earned money on tickets and merchandise and all that stuff."

Walton isn't the only one.

"We would probably lose fans if we have a work stoppage," said Royal Ivey of the Oklahoma City Thunder, who said he came to the camp "to get my feet wet" in the coaching program.

The Grizzlies' Tony Allen also was taking part in the coaching program, and while he said a work stoppage would "put a needle in the balloon" of momentum, he sees a rather simple solution.

Financial restraint by management.

"If you're a GM, you've got to be smarter with your money," he said, echoing a thought career scoring leader Kareem Abdul-Jabbar voiced Friday. "If you don't want to give a guy $197 million and you believe he's only worth 60 percent of that, sign him for just 60 percent of it."

Abdul-Jabbar, who highlighted the importance of education in his chat with the campers, said he understands why fans won't be sympathetic to arguments over enormous amounts of money.

"There's a lot of guys that are overpaid, and that's another issue that the owners need to deal with because certain people are overpaid and that's ballooning the salaries to the point where the owners can't recoup their investment," the Lakers' assistant coach said.

"Everybody should be able to feel satisfied. The players should feel satisfied that they are getting paid adequately and the owners should feel satisfied that they are getting a good return on their investment," he continued. "In a perfect world, that's how it will end up."

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NBA 2011 Off Season Discussion

Who do you want to see your team draft, who do you want them to sign, will the NBA miss games due to a lockout? Discuss all of these matters in this thread.
 

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Re: NBA 2011 Off Season Discussion

God it is so nice to have NBA basketball back! A great xmas present was all the games today! This season should be interesting. Will the Heat win it all because Dallas looked awful, slow, and old in their game today. I'm excited to see how the young guys on my Pistons continue to grow as players. Brandon Knight was an absolute steal for us.
 

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I just hope the Suns can get something for Nash to start rebuilding the team...Gortat & Dudley are a couple of nice pieces to help build around
 

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I'm a Wizards fan and I only choose to support them because they suck and are hella ghetto, We lost to the Nets so it looks like its going to be another bad year.
 

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I'm a Wizards fan and I only choose to support them because they suck and are hella ghetto, We lost to the Nets so it looks like its going to be another bad year.

Bro I'm a Pistons fan...I FEEL your pain. No team in the NBA was as dysfunctional as us last year LOL
We've gone from dominating the 2000's to a pathetic lottery team...
I hope we bomb this year and get great lottery position for this EPIC draft class.
 

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This is a sport where I just want two teams to lose... don't have any favorite. I just follow players, like Jose Juan Barea. That being said is the only sport I do enjoy without having any real pain 'cuz I have no team so there's no heartbreak at the end of the season.
 

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Heat only just beat the Timberwolves on Friday by 2 points, Might not be able to live up to everyones expectations.