Jericho and Kennedy ramble.

[Kaptain KnicKy]

I watched Armageddon on Monday and had three thoughts rush through my mind...

Jericho: His match with Orton, imo, was one of the best (if not the best) matches of the night at Armageddon. I'd love to see the gold strapped around his waist once more, since I think he'd hold his own nicely - but do you all think Jericho's physical stature will hold him back at any time in the future? I watched him in ring and just kept thinking he's too thin. Looking at his arms, I was shocked knowing WWE asked him to put some weight back on.

Kennedy: What the fuck is up with this train wreck of a WWE "superstar"? Last Mania, this guy won MiTB and announced his ME match at Mania 24, but recently got injured and now ... well now he is .... errrr .... what the fuck is he doing?

Going into Armageddon, with a hyped match such as Micheals/Kennedy I thought Ken would come out with a big win, to help push him up the ladder; but instead I see a loss in his stats. Now dont get me wrong, I have Kennedy and I love seeing him get his ass owned that night, but it really got me thinking - what the fuck are they doing to him? One moment he is in the WM24 ME, next he is injured and getting de-pushed (by the looks of things). Can anybody explain this? Am I wrong? Is there an under-plan to this?

 

[Y2Jasmine]

I noticed an obvious size difference from when he was last in the WWE as well. I don't really care for the new look in general, but then he was never the biggest guy on the roster, and it wasnt his size that got him over in the past, so I doubt it will hold him back now.

With Kennedy, they do seem to have redirected his push and focused alot on Jeff Hardy.

 

[CT Styles]

some people think Kennedy has been de-pushed because of the steroid thing because apparently he lied to everyone saying he didnt do it and now he's getting punished.

 

[CenaMark54]

Kennedy really hasn't changed all that much in my opinion. He was a decent worker on SD, and he is decent now.

The issue is, people are quick to proclaim new guys with some ability as the second coming of Austin and they want him pushed to the main event.

Now that Kennedy has been around a while, people are beginning to see that Kennedy is really not overly impressive. He is a solid worker with good mic skills, but he doesn;t really stand out.

I'm not sayi ng that Kennedy won't be great. The guy has a lot of potential. He is just not ready for a main event spot just yet. He is probably next in line for an IC title push. I say give him a nice long reign with the IC title and see where he goes. He definitely needs to improve and prove himself before he starts beating guys like HBK, HHH, Orton and Cena.

 

[Great One]

a) Agreed with what CenaMark said. The guy isn't really anything new or great now, the hype has died down and he's not doing anything to gain it back... still.

b) If a younger guy loses to an older guy why is it always he's getting "de-pushed"? Michaels made him look extremely strong in that match and did a very good job of it. He was in no way de-pushed...

And yeah, Jericho looks like a pussy.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

1) Yeah, HBK won, but he didn't dominate. They let Kennedy work all the match and show that he can be a good worker. He did something he have not done since feuding Taker, tell a story in a match.

I think this feud will continue, and by the looks on last night Raw, it appears it will.

2) Raw killed Kennedy's hype. In SD, if you actually remembered, he had great matches, in which he told stories and had great psychology. And his promos, they were more than just saying his name and repeating his last name. In fact, he use to get 6 minute promos in which he would work the crowd like nobody. In Raw, he came back and started doing the same, but it suddenly stopped, like that. His matches started just being squash victories against Super Crazy or quick jobs to Umaga and John Cena.
Now, since Cyber Sunday, WWE has cared to rebuilt him and we are back to see his long promos of pure working the crowd.

3) So people whine about big guys being constantly main eventing, but when Jericho comes less bigger and muscular, the first thing people look on him is not his great match against Umaga and Orton, or his new finisher, they look at the fact that he is too small?

 

[CenaMark54]

^^^I can agree with you there. People, myslef included are nitpicking a bit much when it comes to Y2J. The same people who love Edge will bash Jericho because of his size.

I don't really have a problem with Jericho, and his return has been basically what I expected it to be. He is a solid upper card guy who can put on good matches. He has just never been over enough to be a consistent main eventer.

 

[DcDudley]

The Jericho/Orton match was amazing! Easily the best ive seen in a while, some great chemistry and back and forth action.
Kennedy has showed awesome potential for ages now, but he has yet to put on a really great match. I get his whole agressive style, but its just way too much flipp flopping and squirming. I think he has to show a bit more consistancy before he becomes a regular main eventer.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

What I find funny is that Chris Jericho wasn't a main eventer back in his prime, getting pops on some of his promos and on his high spots during matches, besides being respected as a performer, a upper midcarder tossing with midcard, but never a main eventer.

Why would now be any different? I mean, the main event picture is practically the same. Back in the day: The Rock, Austin, HHH, HBK. Now: HBK, HHH, Cena, Orton. The two people that left have been, for the better of the worse, been substituted, so it was pretty stupid, thinking it through, to believe that Jericho would be a main eventer.

 

[CT Styles]

^^ I agree in his prime he never was a main eventer except when he won the Undisputed Title

 

[phantomgerald]

Y2J is as good as he can possibly get. I don't think he'll get a title reign and even if he does, it'll be as a transitional champion. Kennedy I think have sort of deproved or stagnated since he came to Raw. He botches more moves than he did on SD and is sometimes sloppy in the ring. He's got to improve if he wants to get back into being the Next Big Thing.

 

[Kaptain KnicKy]

b) If a younger guy loses to an older guy why is it always he's getting "de-pushed"? Michaels made him look extremely strong in that match and did a very good job of it. He was in no way de-pushed...

Well I wouldnt sat in general that if a younger star loses to an older star/vet he's being de-pushed, it's just in Kennedy's situation. The guy was set for gold, and now; going into Mania, he loses a match to HBK? I dont think he was made to look that much stronger, tho my view on him has always been bad - and I cant see him being a strong superstar.

Can anyone name me (for argument purposes, and also since I've been watching Kennedy only a little lately) a fued/big-time match that Kennedy has come out on top of recently?

3) So people whine about big guys being constantly main eventing, but when Jericho comes less bigger and muscular, the first thing people look on him is not his great match against Umaga and Orton, or his new finisher, they look at the fact that he is too small?

I didnt say that, and Im doubting most people do. The simple fact is, Jericho is of small physical build, and people .. well WWE, like to see bigger guys in the ME. I just think this has to have some affect on his position on becoming a truly 'ME star'.

 

[Beer Money Army]

I have always Liked Y2J.. He can work as a face really good and work as a heel even better... not many wrestlers can do that .. the man has unlimited charimsa on the Mic just like the Rock....

That he won the World Championship In 2001 n won WCW world Championship... But when you look at it then. HHH was injured during that time when y2J was an main eventer and he was doing an really good job of it... 2001 was one of my favourite years of WWE...

AS it was Benoit/Y2J/Angle Turn to Shine with the Rock/Austin still on Top..That there was HHH It look like the other wrestlers were getting there time to shine. I'm unsure if HHH had huge backstage power then. (i'm not an anti hhh either, i'm a huge fan of him.. But he seems like an asshole in real life)

I don't Know if HHH has anything to do with Y2J status within WWE.. but when u see them on tv together they don't look like they are friends in real life.

As with the reaction.. When you look at Y2J 1999-2005 WWE run.. Do you think there would be many of those fans still there for the year of 2007.. Because WWE ratings of 2007 are average like 1997 raw.. while 1999-2001 was WWE biggest ratings...But I still think Y2J is the shit and one of the main attractions for Raw.. Well he's one of the main wrestlers that makes me watch raw... Not the likes of Jeff hardy or Randy orton....


For kennedy reasons.. I think he should of been kept on Smackdown he had a killer feud with taker that got him Over greatly.. Had a feud with batista... Won MITB.. Then got injured... WWE didnt really do anything about an Kennedy/Edge thing..(i dont know if people have forgotten about it. but i havent) Maybe down the road of 2008 they Should.. Even if Both are Heels.. they would put on one heel of a Match and would be very unpredictable. It would be the battle of the 2 that would do anything to gain an ultimate victory from the other..

but too Me raw is the most Poltics brand in WWE...While Smackdown n ECW focus more on the wrestling part and raw focus more on the entertainment value part.... That why i would watch smackdown/ecw over Raw if i had to choose 2 brands. Raw has most of my faovurites wrestlers on it. but the majority of the matches barely go past 4-5 mins n the main event are 10 mins... But i can discuss that for another time...

 

[Edgehead2593]

^^^I can agree with you there. People, myslef included are nitpicking a bit much when it comes to Y2J. The same people who love Edge will bash Jericho because of his size.

I don't really have a problem with Jericho, and his return has been basically what I expected it to be. He is a solid upper card guy who can put on good matches. He has just never been over enough to be a consistent main eventer.

I'm an Edge and Jericho fan


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