Great Debate #3 Rated RJC vs Rell

[MattHardyV1]

The Rules are simple....Ill post a topic...the first person to respond will get to choose what side of the Topic they want to debate..If you reply first and you dont want to go first...just say so and your opponent will go first but he will also get to choose what side of the Debate he wants to defend....YOu will each get an openning statement,a reply,and a conclusion....3 posts each...after this is over the IWF members will get to vote on whos debate was better....any questions just ask....Our Topic for Rell/RJC is...

Not including thier personal lives...which wrestler had a better carrer? Chris Benoit or Eddie Guerrero

 

[Rated RJC]

I gotta pick Eddie

I'm going to start with their title reigns, Benoit won at WM XX where Eddie won at no way out against brock lesnar. The only thing better about Benoit's reign than eddie's is the way they won it. Benoit had the ME and his "destiny" was achieved whereas Eddie's was just a typical underdog story. Most career's are determined by title reigns and with the fact that both of these guys only won it once thats the perfect way to judge their careers. Eddie feued with Kurt Angle in a brilliant storyline with Angle playing the great sadistic heel and it worked perfectly with Eddie using his lie, cheat, and steal tactics to win. Eddie went onto face JBL, yes Bradshaw from APA, many didnt liek seeing this guy get a push but if it wasn't for Eddie, JBL wouldn't have had that chance. In another underdog situation at Judgement Day Eddie bled buckets and had a rematch with JBL at the GAB, he lost and lost his title. This feud should be remembered as both JBL and Eddie's first real ME feuds, it really put both on the map. Eddie played his best face against JBL but fast forward to his best heel days, against Rey Mysterio this tiem Eddie wasnt underdog and he let everyone know, Eddie's charisma and wrestling ability really shone through and this was really his swan song. The matches he can put on were incredible like Benoit but Eddie's mic ability far over shines Benoit in every aspect.

 

[Rell]

Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero are two of, if not the best wrestlers of our generation. Both wrestlers have tremendous similarities with one another, including organizations they've competed in, which titles they've held, etc...but due to the tremendous amount of success Chris Benoit has on a mainstream level, I'm led to believe Chris Benoit had the overall better career of the two wrestlers. Chris Benoit wrestled in all three of the main promotions (WWE, ECW, & WCW) and was highly successful in each. After enjoying a great run in NJPW, one of the most decorated promotions in Japan, Benoit was quickly noticed and was soon brought into Extreme Championship Wrestling. During his stint in ECW he enjoyed success in a tag team with Dean Malenko and even wore the tag team gold at one point. Throughout his career, Benoit achieved many feats such as the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, the WWE Championship, and at one time won PWI's (Pro Wrestling Illustrated) Feud of the Year, Match of the Year, and the highly prestigious Wrestler of the Year award, all during the same year (2004).

 

[Rated RJC]

I agree when you think of best wrestlers ever, you think Eddie and Benoit. Who had the better career you mentioned those other promotions and how he was successful in them but the better you do in the biggest one, the better you are period. Eddie did very well for himself in the WWE, he won the more prestiged world title and held it for a lengthly reign. Benoit had it for longer but the entertainment from Eddie's reign to Benoit's was a whole level up. Wrestling ability you have to say it was even, these guys put on clinics everytime but then when you think of why most people tune in, entertainment, Eddie had it. The versatility in his character made him more enjoyable where Benoit became stale a lot while face.

 

[Rell]

There is no doubt in my mind, Eddie Guerrero had a more enjoyable character and was very good while on the mic, but mic skills are not what leads to success. The debate is who had the better overall career. Based on individual success, Chris Benoit was definitely the more successful of the two. While in Word Championship, which was once regarded as the biggest wrestling promotion in the world, Chris Benoit won the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, was US Champion twice, and was World Television champion three times, not to mention his multiple tag title reigns with the likes of Dean Malenko, and Perry Saturn. Eddie Guerrero enjoyed little success in WCW, and floundered at the mid card level before finally being cut. Chris Benoit shares respect with Shawn Michaels as being the only two men to enter the Royal Rumble with the number one spot, and emerge victorious. That very same year, Benoit Main Evented Wrestlemania and defeated arguably two of the best wrestlers in the world (Triple H & HBK) to become World Heavyweight Champion. Eddie Guerrero defeated a guy who was just getting into wrestling at the time, and proved to us wrestling wasn't his passion, in Brock Lesnar. Its hard to argue facts.

 

[Rated RJC]

Be honest, can you really count the WCW title, i think not. Championships do have something to do with a legacy but so does the attitude you leave in the ring and in the back. Both guys affected many people in the business and inspired them to become better wrestlers. Eddie's preserverance through his addiction shown everybody that he was a real deal and should be thought of as one of the greats. Brock Lesnar was far from "just getting into the business" and Eddie shouldnt be faltered by dethroning him. There's always talk about the triple threat match where Benoit won the title but then there's the Eddie/Angle match that people seem to forget, when you look at both there are many aspects where Angle/Eddie was better and if it was given the main event spot that could change some preceptions of the matches themselves. Mic skills do garner success in a career, since both passed away, personal things aside, Eddie should always be remembered more for his attitude where Benoit was quiet and not as talkative. Liek i said the way i think of a "better career" is how you're remembered and even thought Benoit won the Rumble and the title into Wrestlemania Eddie will be remembered more than him for the combination of his wrestling and mic skills.

 

[Rell]

Be honest, can you really count the WCW title i think not

Why not? World Championship Wrestling may not exist anymore, for a number of reasons, but its legacy will never be forgotten. Lets not forget, there was a time when WCW was considered to be the most successful wrestling organizations in America, and during that time Chris Benoit was World Heavyweight Champion. Some people forget the fact that if not for WCW, their wouldn't be many of the guys we now consider "all time greats"...

There's always talk about the triple threat match where Benoit won the title but then there's the Eddie/Angle match that people seem to forget, when you look at both there are many aspects where Angle/Eddie was better and if it was given the main event spot that could change some preceptions of the matches themselves.

Whatever the case may be, I'm under the impression that we cant change the past. The fact of the matter is, while the Eddie/Angle feud may have been very good, the Benoit/HHH/HBK feud won the Wrestling Observer Newsletter's Feud of the Year, and with good reason.

Eddie should always be remembered more for his attitude where Benoit was quiet and not as talkative.

While this may be true, the fact that Benoit didn't have much of an "attitude" did not affect his level of success. IMO Individual success can only be measured by individual accomplishments. Lets put it this way, If there was a Hot dog eating contest between...lets call them Jim (Very charismatic) and John (gets the job done) and Jim ate 10 hot dog's while John ate 20...we are not going to say Jim won because he looked amusing, we will give it to John because he obviously got the job done.

In closing, Benoit's career may be forever overshadowed by the things that went on outside of the ring, however there is not a single doubt in my mind, Benoit had the overall better career. On that not, here are a few comparisons of the two men...

Eddie Guerrero
World Championship Wrestling
WCW Cruiserweight Championship (2 times)
WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

Chris Benoit
World Championship Wrestling
WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
WCW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
WCW World Tag Team Championship (2 times)
WCW World Television Championship (3 times)

Eddie Guerrero
World Wrestling Entertainment
WWE Championship (1 time)
WWE Tag Team Championship (4 times)
WWE United States Championship
WWF Intercontinental Championship (2 times)

Chris Benoit
World Heavyweight Championship
WWE Tag Team Championship
WWE United States Championship (3 times)
WWF/E Intercontinental Championship (4 times)
WWF/E World Tag Team Championship (3 times)
2004 Royal Rumble

This bit of information proves that Chris Benoit had the better singles career, and the better professional career overall. Due to problems Benoit faced, He will never be inducted into the WWE Hall Of Fame, but he will always be remembered as a guy who was undersized, and had his back against throughout his career, overcame the odds time after time, and is truly one of the best professional wrestlers this sport has ever seen.

 

[Rated RJC]

K ass handed to me but still can i just clear a few things up

I meant not use the WCW title cause he had it for one night, not even.

All you did was copy and paste title reigns

Your hot dog comparison was way out of context and made no sense, wrestling isnt about quanity, its about your lasting impression

 

[Rell]

K ass handed to me but still can i just clear a few things up

I meant not use the WCW title cause he had it for one night, not even.

All you did was copy and paste title reigns

Your hot dog comparison was way out of context and made no sense, wrestling isnt about quanity, its about your lasting impression

lol I had a legit argument going, I took a page out of Kaedon's hand book with the out of the top comparison...Its all in fun, if I was being honest, I'm not sure if I would even choose Benoit, but you took Eddie so I had to come up with something And the title reigns were only a small comparison, if we really want to get into it, Benoit had the more successful career in NJPW as well as various other promotions.

 

[MattHardyV1]

Ok we are offically taking votes on Rell vs RJC,Im thinking 1st to 5 sounds good....so 1st man to get 5 votes wins the 1st round of the debate...

By the way DO NOT vote on whos side you agree with,or who you like more...Vote for who Debated better

 

[This Guy]

before people vote there is one thing I'd like to point out. Benoit was not the Heavyweight Champion at the height of WCW. WCW was already losing the ratings war to WWE when Benoit was given the title shot.

Also I noticed that Eddie Guerrero's WWE European Title reign was not mentioned in that list nor was either man's ECW acomplishments, not to mention there careers in Japan which are part of both men's legacies.

 

[Switchy]

Rell had a lot of facts and plenty of answers to what RJC had to say and this really is a close one but overall I would have to say it was RJC who had the better debate. Rell really pulled out all the stops but RJC came back continuously and clinched it by an inch. great job by both debators.

 

[Rated RJC]

Also I noticed that Eddie Guerrero's WWE European Title reign was not mentioned in that list nor was either man's ECW acomplishments, not to mention there careers in Japan which are part of both men's legacies.

I had it mentioned in my first opening statement but i was really confused on what V1 wanted so i just cut all of it and restarted. All the other ones were about Overall wrestler and this one is now the better career? I guess that's what threw me off.

 

[This Guy]

I had it mentioned in my first opening statement but i was really confused on what V1 wanted so i just cut all of it and restarted. All the other ones were about Overall wrestler and this one is now the better career? I guess that's what threw me off.

The list I was refering too was the list Rell posted of title reigns to prove Benoit had been more sucsessful.

 

[Rell]

Holy crap, I totally forgot about the highly prestige European championship, You cant blame me though, whens the last time anyone has made mention of the title? I didn't compare their accomplishments in New Japan because I wanted to point out their success on the mainstream level, but if you compare success in Japan it would still favor Benoit...I'm not going to post it because the debate is over so I would be cheating in a way, but look it up If you have the time.