Dino Colada vs. Eric Snow

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Viva La Luke

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Should ECW Be Axed?

I was just wondering do you think that ECW should be Axed once and for all?

My personal opinion is that yes it should be axed, Because i think that the Smackdown and Raw Brands would benefit alot and that they would be more interesting because lets face it WWE could be better and i think this is the best way to do it.

I never really understood why Vince brought ECW back instead of just making a new brand extension to the WWE, Maybe he wanted the old Hardcore ECW fans. But iam pretty sure they would have lost most of them by now. Although to ECW's credit i think it has one of if not the best angle running at the moment for the WWECW.

If Vince has to many superstars and can't showcase all there talent on 2 shows, should ECW be axed to make way for a new brand a new era or should ECW superstars removed to Smackdown and Raw so the ECW superstars can get looked and showcased on the 2 Main brands, Guy like CM Punk, Elijah Burke, Marcus Cor Von, Matt Strikers Careers would benefit alot if the ECW got the axe. But on the other hand i dought we would see the originals again with the exception of RVD.

So anyways "What do you think should happen to ECW" it would help if you explain your answer.
 

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I think they could just dump it....ECW didn't urn out to be all hardcore like it was in the 90's like it was hyped up to be....It just came back as another version of Smackdown!They should make another brand instead but I dont see it happening...
 
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Last August I would've agreed. Now may not be the right time to do it. There's finally an interesting storyline with Punk and Burke. I liked the New Breed/Originals angle. It made sense and gave us a reason to watch next week. I'll tell ya, it sure as shit ain't Bobby Lashley!

There's also the development of the Gene "Kane"sky character. Yes it may be a slight retread of Kane himself but on ECW with such a market for heels I think he has a chance to really get over.
 

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No, it's great, but Lashley drags it down, especially if Snitsky is going after the title.
 

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Yea the new ECW isnt as bad as it used to be,now they have storylines and shit,Just get the belt off of lashley and actually do somthing with snitsky and we're good.
 

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They need either Benoit or Mysterio and probably a new champion, seeing as the show is already revolving around the Originals vs. the New Breed.
 
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Im somewhat split on this one, ecw was horrific all of 2006(except for ONS). they had 6 months to build up for D2D and they wound up having 4 matches, only 2 of which were announced. now it seems as though they may have an actual ppv for ONS 3. Plus Im almost positive, they are locked into a tv deal till end of 07 or 08 i dont remember, the signed it right after the show got started.
 
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Bobby Lasley needs to loose the belt , he rarely defends it to an ECW superstar.The only time he defends it is on Raw against Shane Mcmahon or Umaga , we havent seen him defend it on ECW for some time now.
 

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Good Topic Viva La Luke ---- Rep Added ---

ECW was just an experiment and it didn't work so now to put things back in order before anything worse happens Wwe needs to shut off ECW.
Wrestling fans who have been chanting “ECW” for the last 10 years are thrilled that World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) has revived Extreme Championship Wrestling. The “ECW One Night Stand” pay-per-view in June 2005 was a success, and so were the WWE-produced DVDs of old ECW matches.
In order for ECW to succeed in 2007 on the Sci-Fi Channel, WWE will have to do a lot of things right. Here are some tips:

1. Make the show look different. The old ECW show had a gritty, underground look to it. Joey Styles hosted the program while standing in front of a black ECW banner. The show had no fireworks, a simple set and familiar entrance music. The WWE needs to make sure ECW does not have the glossy look and fancy production values of its Raw and Smackdown shows.

2. Make the wrestling different. ECW lost its niche in the Nineties when the WWE and WCW copied its weapons-oriented style. If ECW can provide one insane hardcore match per show, along with some solid wrestling and high flying, the fans will stick with it.

3. Make the storylines simple. The WWE has trotted out every soap-opera storyline imaginable in the past five years. ECW wrestlers should fight over championships, women, and improving their won-loss records. That’s it.

4. Let the wrestlers do interviews anywhere they want. Raven gave some of ECW’s best interviews on tape from a local playground. Stevie Richards and Blue Meanie acted goofy everywhere they went. Fans connected with the realism of the wrestlers when they weren’t confined to the arena for interviews.

5. Give younger wrestlers the chance to shine. ECW launched many stars into WCW and the WWE such as Tazz, The Dudley Boyz, Rhyno, Rey Mysterio and Juventud Guerrera. Now, WWE can use ECW to give its developmental wrestlers experience in front of larger crowds. In particular. C.M. Punk could become a big star in the new ECW. ECW was a part of the WCW Invasion storyline in 2001, but the WWE buried both brands after eight months. This time around, the WWE should stick with ECW, even if ratings get off to a slow start. With a little patience, the WWE could create a new generation of fans who will chant “ECW” for another 10 years.
ECW did something in 90's that no one ever thought possible. They became a third giant in a two company wrestling business. Paul Heyman wrote stories that related to the general audience, not a select few. He didn't create superheroes, he created the average joe. It worked for eight years, until he couldn't afford it no more in 2001.

Now, under WWE financial backing, ECW is once again the third brand in a two brand company. Vince McMahon, after buying the rights to ECW in 2001, has unleashed the new breed of ECW. However, even though Paul Heyman is the supposed ECW representative, it is obvious that WWE is running the show. Not just the wrestlers who defected over to ECW, nor those who continue to "invade" the brand. New storylines and character are written with a WWE feel.

The formula is not something that will be solved overnight. If they are going to regain some of the ECW glory, they will need fix a few mistakes they haven't as of now. The first being Paul Heyman. From the beginning, Paul Heyman was brought back as the ECW Representative, the nice face of ECW past brought in to make ECW what it was, that is one camera. Behind the scenes, he is the lackey making up storylines only to be shot down by the big man above, Vinny Mac. In order to make ECW what it was, you need to make Paul Heyman the man making the stories and characters. After reading the ECW book The Rise and Fall of ECW, the quote that stuck out at me the most, sums up what the WWE needs to do: "If you could take ECW back then, when it was at its peak, and just give the creative part to Paul E., and give the financial part of it to WWE, the ECW would still be around." - D-Von Dudley.

The second thing WWE needs to do is give ECW its own show. Now, you are going to look at me and say, "But, they already have a show." That statement is a lie. ECW follows Smackdown! tapings on Tuesday nights, in front of WWE fans. They are WWE fans, coming to a nice family WWE show, getting shoved into an ECW taping. It isn't the same feel as a ECW show, even though it has the name.

The third thing WWE need to do is bring in the ECW fans. Now, I know it's a stretch, after watching One Night Stand on Pay Per View, listening to the kind of chants they had for wrestlers. However, ECW fans are smart. If they know that in order for ECW to succeed, they need to cut down on the vulgarities, they will. Most of the chants they have are not vulgar and even some can be changed to have the same feel but not be vulgar. But the fans of ECW are essential to the success of the brand that made wrestling what it is today. The fans were the entire atmosphere of the show and without them, ECW is nothing.

This Tuesday may change the direction ECW is heading, possibly for the better. This Tuesday, ECW is being taped alone in front of fans who truly wanted to see an ECW show, not as an after thought to Smackdown!. If the show works, McMahon might finally take his head out of his ass and give ECW back to Paul Heyman, while paying the bills to keep the lights on. It is then, that maybe, just maybe, more people will finally see what the fuss behind ECW was, and more people will actually enjoy putting ECW on Tuesday nights; they won't have the reason to go online and chant online that "That show sucked".
Kelly is the best example of this. Kelly is a new character that was introduced on the debut show a couple of weeks ago. She is a beautiful, young, exhibitionist. If you are unsure of what an exhibitionist is, then my point has already valid. An exhibitionist is a person who is turned on by showing what they got to everybody they can show. How many people do you know that are exhibitionists? I, personally, do not know many. Therefore, WWE has thrown in a WWE diva, tried giving her an ECW character style, and failed miserably at it.

They did accomplish one feat that seemed impossible; they brought back some ECW alumni to kick off the new breed. Old favorites like Sabu, Tommy Dreamer, Rob Van Dam, Balls Mahoney, and the Sandman. However, they have Tommy Dreamer jobbing to the Big Show; they have the Sandman just caning poor pathetic characters WWE sends out to be caned; and Balls Mahoney hasn't been on the show since the first one. Sabu, however, is the one exception, giving him the same platform to accomplish some of the same sick stuff he is known for. It still isn't enough to get the job done, though. But that is not WWE's fault. When they lost most of the ECW alums to TNA a few years back, they never expected to launch ECW again. Now, they have a handful of what made ECW popular, and still trying to find that niche that will make it popular again.
After watching the continued disaster that is ECW on the Sci-Fi Channel, it makes me wonder how dedicated Vince McMahon and WWE are into continuing the experiment. It seems like ECW is running on fumes and McMahon is just providing programming until its contract with ECW expires. After a promising 2.8 rating in its debut episode on June 12, 2006 the ratings have slippped into the 1.6 range. While this is better than a lot of cable programs, it can't be what WWE and Sci-Fi were hoping for when the program was launched. Most of the problem is due to the fact that you can't have the old ECW. It HAS to be toned down. Injuries would skyrocket if every match were presented under "Extreme Rules". Injuries in wrestling are bad enough. Plus many of the ECW "originals" that fans identify with ECW couldn't be singed, they are under contract to TNA Wrestling. Plus, that talent had to have a good idea that a WWE-owned ECW would ultimately fail. ECW fans liked ECW because it was an alternative to WWE.

The so-called success of the old ECW is vastly overrated. There was a loyal and often vocal fan base but the real truth is in the numbers. ECW rarely drew more than 1,000 fans it its live events, it's pay-per-views failed to generate enough buys to keep the company afloat, its wrestlers weren't making ends meet an more often than not their checks bounced and in the end the company's assets were only valued at barely over 1 million dollars. This is a far cry from WWE which has grossed of 460 million in a single year.

There is another brand the WWE owns which under its former ownership drew better in its dying days than ECW did at its peak: WCW, World Championship Wrestling.

McMahon gave WCW a half-hearted try in 2001 but launching the so-called "Invasion" storyline. It falied ultimately but if you take a look at the Invasion PPV which drew a 1.6 buy rate, the largest that year besides Wrestlemania, it proves there was a demand for the WCW product and fans wanted to see a true superbowl of wrestling card. Where WWE failed was not securing the contracts of those performers that were closely identified with WCW such as Ric Flair, Bill Goldberg, and Eric Bischoff. While WWE did eventually bring these men into the fold they were presented as nothing more than just another talent signed. By not associating them with the WCW brand the WWE threw away the potential for big money.

But WWE can now learn from it's previous mistake. With the talent currently in the fold, it could create a believable WCW roster. Let's take a look at what a potential WCW roster would look like:
Eric Bischoff: His WWE contract expires in September 2007 but if you launch WCW you HAVE to put him in as storyline president or general manager. He was the only executive to ever have the Ted Turner owned WCW turn a profit while in charge of the company. Bischoff put WCW on even ground with WWE in the years 1996-1998.
Ric Flair: Even in a limited wrestling role or a managerial role you have to have Flair. The original WCW was built around Flair for so long fans still identify him with the company.

Chris Benoit: Although he has been with WWE for several years now, it would make sense to put him on the WCW roster. One of the world's greatest technical wrestlers and former member of The Four Horsemen along with Ric Flair.Finlay: Former WCW TV champion before becoming a road agent and Smackdown performer.
Booker T: The last true WCW champion.
Chavo Guerrero: Former WCW performer whose contract was acquired during the buyout.Gregory/"Sugar Shane" Helms: The last true WCW cruiserweight champion.Arn Anderson: One of the original Horsemen and now a road agent for WWE. No longer able to perform in the ring but he could be a creative force in a new WCW.
Rey Mysterio, Jr.: A talented former WCW cruiserweight champion.
This would be my core group. I would mix in other talent from the other WWE rosters such as:
The New Breed: Marquis Von Con (the former Monty Brown), Elijah Burke, Kevin Thorn w/ Ariel and Matt Striker. All are young and upcoming stars that could be groomed to be the future of the brand.
Randy Orton: Though pulling him off the Raw roster is a gamble, he has proven name value, potential and star power WCW needs.
CM Punk: I would resurrect the excellent cruiserweight division of the old WCW and have this guy in the title chase. He's getting a big fan reaction in ECW but needs a spark to really break through.
Bobby Lashley: Though not my favorite performer, exposure on Raw is helping him and every roster needs a powerhouse babyface.
I would send the ECW Originals to Smackdown except for Rob Van Dam whom deserves to be back on Raw. There are others such as Chris Jericho and The Big Show Paul Wight who if they wanted to make a comeback I would put on the WCW roster.

WCW could be a tremendous moneymaker for WWE, all they have to do is bring it back, get rid of ECW and let WCW fill the current time slot. The lack of a TV show was one thing that hurt the previous Invasion angle. With WWE back in the USA/Universal TV family, I'm sure they wouldn't mind picking up a potential money maker like WCW. I kept on writing and I didn't realise how much I can write on such a Topic my god it's a big post anyways do read it.
 

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Very interesting read and you make some strong points.

But i dont think the wwe can rely on the past success of WCW to draw ratings, sure it will work for awhile. I think thats what wwe tried to do with ECW to bring back the old "ECW ECW ECW" fans to draw crowds and sell. But it only worked for so long.

I think the WWE should think about the future and not rely on the past, If Booker T was champ and Rey Mysterio and Chris benoit when they were part of WCW awhile back, Why Repeat The Same Thing? and re live it again as if it was almost Deja Vu.

Anyways i think if the WWE needs a 3rd brand to showcase all there talent why not make it a Brand within the WWE to better the overall WWE company instead of relying on past success of other companies.

Because thats what the people want NEW and refreshing not old. Sure the old will work for awhile but will it in the long run??... IMO i dont think it can.
 

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when will vince learn you cant repeat history ecw died in 2001 ecw is just another brand luke give me a axe i'll chop ecw down once & for all
 

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The scene opens up on the boardwalk. A lot of passerbys strollin' around. Some average looking interviewer is seen fixing his hair. It's nothing like Beach's of course. He is just trying to look appropriate for such an opportunity... Not to talk to to Beach. He hasn't earned that right yet... Somebody walks to him bumping him enough to turn him all the way around. It's that Dino Colada character.

Dino looks down on the guy as turns back around. His microphone cord tied up around him a bit. He tries to straighten himself up before trying to conduct the interview. Dino shakes his head and questions whether or not he should just throw the guy about.


Average Interviewer: Umm... Thanks for being here Dino. I heard you wanted to say some words about your opponent on Carnage... Eric Snow, your... Well what is Bobby Beach to you exactly?

Dino Colada: Do I really have to answer that? Ahhhh, he's my employer lets just leave it at that.

AI: Alright... Can we get your thoughts on your match then?

Dino: I guess... My thoughts are that I'm going to destroy the so-called North American champion for Mr. Bobby Beach. He'll be weakened for Beach when he gets another chance at his championship.... You see look around at this gorgeous scenery.

The camera man gives us a nice panoramic view of the beach, the ocean and some resorts.

Dino: You see that... This is where champions relax. This is the Coastline to put it simply. I think you know what I am getting at... You know... my good buddy Beach is going to be the next Coastline Champion.

AI: Okay... I would think maybe you would want to prove yourself...

Dino: What did you just say to me? I am not in WKF to make a name for myself. I am in WKF to watch Beach's back and take care of his affairs. It's that simple. Snow just happens to be on the agenda currently. I will deal with him in due time...

AI: So are you even going to try to win...

Dino: Well look at me... I'm not the looker that Beach is... But my size alone could easily lead me to victory. Of course if I get frustrated I may get DQed... So what? At that point I'll be so mad that I won't be able to control myself. So I will just continue the beat down as I am instructed to do...

AI: Wait... Did you just give away your plans?

Dino: You know what... You are getting on my last nerve...

Dino makes an indication of threatening the interviewer as he slams his fist into his palm.


Dino: You need to watch yourself. One more question that I don't deem respectable will be your last and I don't mean just the last in this interview, but your entire career. You got that?

AI: I... I... I think we should wrap this up... Anything else you'd like to say?

Dino: Not really... I got things to do. I was supposed to meet up with Beach at one of these fine resorts. He's sitting back at some poolside having a magarita or something. He told me to join him. We may scout our opponents or maybe just bother beach babes... It's up to Beach... Now get out my way.

Dino pushes the interviewer out of his way and continues down the boardwalk scaring the camera man to the side as it is with his head held high. It all concludes with a camera shot of some nice looking blonde laying on a beach towel.
 
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