Controversy Strikes Back!

  • Welcome to "The New" Wrestling Smarks Forum!

    I see that you are not currently registered on our forum. It only takes a second, and you can even login with your Facebook! If you would like to register now, pease click here: Register

    Once registered please introduce yourself in our introduction thread which can be found here: Introduction Board


Solid Snake

New Member
Champion
Joined
Jun 4, 2016
Messages
51,392
Reaction score
19,899
Points
0
Sounds like a Star Wars movie...
Anyways, a lot of fans are upset over the women not being a part of the GRR. It was decent but they hardly missed out on anything. Heck, they just now allowed women to attend as audience. Baby steps.

"Unlike 2014, women were allowed to attend the "Greatest Royal Rumble" event -- but WWE's women wrestlers were left at home.

The move generated anger from WWE fans, especially since the company has repeatedly pushed its self-titled "women's revolution."

Stars like Charlotte Flair, Sasha Banks, and the newly signed Ronda Rousey, were left to watch from the states.

"You can't dictate to a country or a religion about how they handle things, but having said that, WWE is at the forefront of a women's evolution in the world and what you can't do is affect change anywhere by staying away from it," Paul Levesque, WWE's executive vice president of Talent, Live Events and Creative, told U.K. newspaper The Independent in an exclusive interview this week. "While, right now, women are not competing in the event, we have had discussions about that and we believe and hope that, in the next few years they will be. That is a significant cultural shift in Saudi Arabia."

Many of the women employed by WWE tweeted they were watching from home. Banks, real name Mercedes Kaestner-Varnado, tweeted "one day" while watching the event, and Natalya, real name Natalie Neidhart, and Becky Lynch, real name Rebecca Quin, both tweeted they were watching while working out."


Source
 

Solid Snake

New Member
Champion
Joined
Jun 4, 2016
Messages
51,392
Reaction score
19,899
Points
0
They will be doing more shows there in the future and have discussed having women wrestle so it is a big deal.
 

Redboy123@

Banned
Joined
Jan 5, 2018
Messages
6,194
Reaction score
3,390
Points
113
You know when you go on holiday and enjoy yourself but you don't want to go back there again. I hope the future shows are house shows
 

CM Punk

AJ Styles
Champion
Joined
Dec 27, 2011
Messages
32,441
Reaction score
6,128
Points
118
Location
Ontario, Canada
They will be doing more shows there in the future and have discussed having women wrestle so it is a big deal.
Ehn. Eventually they'll be able to do shows there since one of their princes or some shit like that is moving for progression on women's rights. Like I saw a clip of people cheering Carmella at GRR, so it's moreso the government who is against it, not the people which is a positive outlook in a sense.
 

Solid Snake

New Member
Champion
Joined
Jun 4, 2016
Messages
51,392
Reaction score
19,899
Points
0
Ehn. Eventually they'll be able to do shows there since one of their princes or some shit like that is moving for progression on women's rights. Like I saw a clip of people cheering Carmella at GRR, so it's moreso the government who is against it, not the people which is a positive outlook in a sense.
It is the government and the religion. Both keep women held back. They are behind the west but they are making changes for equality. It may be taking them longer but it is happening.
 

Solid Snake

New Member
Champion
Joined
Jun 4, 2016
Messages
51,392
Reaction score
19,899
Points
0
You know when you go on holiday and enjoy yourself but you don't want to go back there again. I hope the future shows are house shows
They will want to have them be on the Network. It is likely part of their agreement.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Sheik

The Sheik

The Architect
Technician
Joined
Nov 29, 2017
Messages
2,017
Reaction score
2,025
Points
0
Location
Ontario, Canada
I didn't get the whole controversy.. Shit has always been like this in Saudi Arabia.. Everyone knows this is Saudi Arabia's problem and not WWE's.... The women get a few days off, they were probably thrilled to have a break, especially if they were getting paid anyways...
 

Solid Snake

New Member
Champion
Joined
Jun 4, 2016
Messages
51,392
Reaction score
19,899
Points
0
I didn't get the whole controversy.. Shit has always been like this in Saudi Arabia.. Everyone knows this is Saudi Arabia's problem and not WWE's.... The women get a few days off, they were probably thrilled to have a break, especially if they were getting paid anyways...

It is more about WWE having to answer to fans that don't understand culture barriers. Apparently a lot were upset over it. I don't understand how they don't realize this is a big first step for a lot of things, not just wrestling. They'll be over it come Monday and be complaining about the next thing anyways. lol
 

The Sheik

The Architect
Technician
Joined
Nov 29, 2017
Messages
2,017
Reaction score
2,025
Points
0
Location
Ontario, Canada
It is more about WWE having to answer to fans that don't understand culture barriers. Apparently a lot were upset over it. I don't understand how they don't realize this is a big first step for a lot of things, not just wrestling. They'll be over it come Monday and be complaining about the next thing anyways. lol

Agreed.. I'm sure they'll be allowed to wrestle in Saudi Arabia eventually, whether they wear masks, cover their entire body or whatever the deal is.. just like they did in Abu Dhabi. People can't be upset with WWE over this, they're doing what they can.
 

MildlyUpsetGerbil

The Architect
Hotshot
Joined
Dec 5, 2017
Messages
827
Reaction score
1,078
Points
93
Contrary to what I like to think, the world isn't America. Sadly there are many places where women, gays, etc. aren't exactly treated very well. Darren Young, for example, was barred from competing at a WWE event in some third world country due to him being gay. So, in that sense, this isn't necessarily new.

One idea to benefit from a situation like this next time (which was suggested by a wrestling podcaster named Solomonster) is to promote an event that's exclusively featuring women talent while the men are overseas. WWE has recently been obsessed with trying new things, so this lets them exercise that fetish of theirs while at the same time giving them something to point to and scream "WOMEN'S EMPOWERMENT!" while the boys are out of the west. I'm sure Mr. Grievous would take a liking to such a show.

It is more about WWE having to answer to fans that don't understand culture barriers. Apparently a lot were upset over it. I don't
I imagine the people angered by this would rather WWE not do business in Saudi Arabia at all in order for the company to put its money where its mouth is. It's a company, though, and to expect it to be 100% moral and never do business in less than western countries is naive.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jay-Ashley

Solid Snake

New Member
Champion
Joined
Jun 4, 2016
Messages
51,392
Reaction score
19,899
Points
0
I imagine the people angered by this would rather WWE not do business in Saudi Arabia at all in order for the company to put its money where its mouth is. It's a company, though, and to expect it to be 100% moral and never do business in less than western countries is naive.
It is funny too because a lot of business is ran overseas through market trades and forex. Heck, here in America, most things I see in the stores anymore say "made in China". I get being upset for the sake of the women but getting mad at WWE is just stupid to me. Business will always do what will favor the most revenue, this includes expanding to countries willing to pay a lot for their product.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jay-Ashley

Zardnaar

The Showoff
Joined
Aug 2, 2016
Messages
798
Reaction score
402
Points
0
Age
46
Location
New Zealand
It is funny too because a lot of business is ran overseas through market trades and forex. Heck, here in America, most things I see in the stores anymore say "made in China". I get being upset for the sake of the women but getting mad at WWE is just stupid to me. Business will always do what will favor the most revenue, this includes expanding to countries willing to pay a lot for their product.

Business ethics though, who and how you do business with can matter. They should not be surprised at backlash over taking money to wrestle in Saudi Arabia which is one of the worst countries in the world in regards to human rights (they hide a lot of it). House of Saud is making minimal changes to appease the west while continuing to be a rubbish.

What up next, cut a deal with Kim in North Korea?
 

Doxo

Moist Nephew
Joined
Mar 23, 2016
Messages
2,702
Reaction score
1,817
Points
113
Age
24
Location
Kingdom of Nazarick
Business ethics though, who and how you do business with can matter. They should not be surprised at backlash over taking money to wrestle in Saudi Arabia which is one of the worst countries in the world in regards to human rights (they hide a lot of it). House of Saud is making minimal changes to appease the west while continuing to be a rubbish.

What up next, cut a deal with Kim in North Korea?
If they're paying you $200,000,000+ absolutely

Hell, if WCW can do it why not