Christopher Daniels talks retirement, career highlights, more

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Christopher Daniels On His Retirement Match, FAKE Eye Injury, AEW, TNA, Higher Power, Tiffany Stratton

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On knowing it was time to retire:​

"So at the beginning of 2024, I knew my contract as a performer was coming to an end. I sort of said to myself at the beginning of the year, All right, you've been doing this for a while. Your body feels eh, and you're not wrestling that often. So let's try and make this a good year and see how we feel at the end of the year. So I said to myself that I'm gonna try to make this a good year for me. So I started working with Cezar Bononi to try and get in good shape, and I just said, let's see how we feel at the end of this year. I'm gonna wrestle this year like it's my last and see how I feel. But one of the things I sort of kept in mind was I only wanted to wrestle if Tony wanted me to wrestle. I didn't want to go to him and be like, 'Hey, please can I wrestle?' Because I felt like if Tony needed me for the show, or if Tony wanted me for the show, then he would think of something for me to do on the show. But I didn't want to be that guy that was like, 'Hey, I'm not doing anything this week. Can I do something this week?' And have him possibly feel obligated to give me something and then jam it into a show that's already [full]. We've got a very wide roster, and we've got two hours of time on a Wednesday, two hours of time on a Saturday, and I didn't want to conceivably take time away from something that was important just to scratch my wrestling itch. I wanted to sort of be cognizant of like, hey, this isn't good for the show. If he doesn't want it, if you're just getting on to get on, that's not fair. Especially as someone who I felt like was sort of like in the office, it felt wrong to try and take time away from stuff that Tony really wanted."

"So I didn't ask Tony. I never went to Tony and was like, 'Hey, can I do this? Hey, can I do this?' I just wanted him to organically go, 'Hey, I need you to wrestle this person tonight. I need you put this guy over tonight.' Whatever, if he wanted me, I would do it. So one of the last things we did, or one of the last times he asked me to wrestle, was the tag match with me and Matt against the Young Bucks. Going into that, I knew the finish should be on me. And right before that, I said What would happen if they pinned me and then they fired me? In my head, I thought the natural progression was okay, they would fire me. They're misusing their EVP powers. Tony would hire me back, and I would wrestle them again, whatever. But then once it happened, I thought, Oh, wait, what if they made me an EVP to sort of like offset them, I'm the babyface version of what Matt and Nick were doing as EVPs. And so we pitched that. And I think once I sort of got that position, I think Tony didn't want me to wrestle and be an EVP. In my head, the EVPs wrestled all the time. So I was like, Oh, I'll wrestle every once in a while. But I don't think Tony had that same mentality."

"So it then turned into me only being an EVP and from May to almost the end of the year, he didn't ask me to wrestle again. The last match I had before the end of the year, I actually volunteered for the one with Jack Perry on Collision, because it was Jack Perry versus TBD. And I was like, 'Hey, what if that was me?' And he was like, Oh, that'd be great. That's better than an enhancement match, whatever. I was like, okay, cool. But then, I felt like he already didn't really need me to wrestle as often. So right around that period of time, I would be pitching different ideas to different guys, but not to Tony directly. It was like, I remembered going to John Morrison once, and 'I was like, hey, what if you and I were like a tag team, like an LA tag team. What if we were called like, the LA riots?' Then he started to get more involved with mXm. And I was like, Okay, well, that's a good thing for him. I don't need to be weighing him down. And I went to Hangman one time, and this was in the middle of the time when he was getting booed out of the building. He was in the midst of the thing with Swerve. He was just starting this thing with Jay White. And I was like, 'Hey, man, what if you ended my career? That would be great heat for a heel to be if you crippled me so bad I couldn't wrestle anymore, that would be cool.' I didn't think anything of it after that, just Oh, that would be cool. That'd be a good way to go out. And then, near the end of the year, he was like, 'I went to Tony, and I think we're going to do this thing with you and me.' I was like, oh, okay, cool. So, I mean, if it wasn't for Hangman asking for that, I don't think it would happen. I might have ended my career with that match with Jack and just said, I'm done."

On going into his retirement match:​

"I also didn't want people to know it was my final match. To me, you watch television. You watch dramas or whatever. They never advertise okay, this is the last episode for this guy, because he's gonna die at the end. Tony had asked me too. He's like, 'Hey, why don't we call this a retirement match?' I was like, 'No, you're missing the point. I don't want people to know it's a retirement match. I want people to be shocked.' It's more heat, even though it wasn't really heat on Page at that time, because by that time, he was sort of turning babyface again. But to me, I thought it was more meaningful, and it sort of lent itself to the reality of professional wrestling that we don't always know when our last match is. So what I wanted was to have the match and then announce the retirement the week later and say, 'Hey, man, I got so messed up I can't do this anymore.' It's funny how the original idea went from not putting heat on him, but when I pitched it to him what if at the end I say, 'Hey, I can't wrestle anymore. Are you happy now?' I said to him, 'We can do this one of two ways. Either you start to feel bad, or you double down and you say, "No, I wish I killed you." And they're dependent on where he was going to go. You could go either of those routes.' So, yeah, I went into it thinking this is a good way to go out. And the surprise of it would have been cool. Then the night it happened, I read online, 'This may be the last match for Christopher Daniels.' I was like, who told everybody? It was like oh, Sean Ross Sapp told everyone this might be my last match. So I wish he hadn't done that, but I guess that's sort of the danger of pro wrestling at this point is everybody wants to know the secrets behind so we don't let stuff happen organically. People have to know what's this? What's going on. Where are we going? But I mean, honestly, I was really happy with how it played out, and happy that I got to do it with Hangman. And honestly, I don't feel like it was the starting point of where he's going now, but I feel like it was a step towards what's happening with him now, which I think is pretty cool."

On if his body told him it was time to slow down:​

"Yeah, and that was part of the reasoning of the beginning of the year, thinking maybe you should think about cooling this off. Because I've always had knee problems since maybe 2002. Then, maybe in the middle of 2023, I was realizing I was seeing atrophy on my left side, like my left shoulder my left bicep. It was always weak after I got injured in WCW, in 2001. I kept wrestling. I had to keep wrestling, obviously, but yeah, it was always weak, but it wasn't visible. And then in the middle of 2023, I started realizing that's a lot smaller, and it got weaker quicker when I would work out. I could tell I was getting weaker as I was wrestling on this side, I was like, okay. So that put a lot of thought into my head, like, okay, maybe this should be it. And then the way everything just sort of played out, it sort of like led to that being it."

On possibly being the only wrestler to work WCW, ECW, WWE, TNA, AEW, NJPW and ROH:​

"I think so. I had put out a tweet not too long ago because I had an opportunity to work for All Japan. I listed what I thought were the major companies in professional wrestling over the last like 20 years. I listed WCW, WWF, ECW, TNA, ROH, AEW, New Japan, All Japan, 1 Fall, Michinoku Pro, all the places that had television in the US, all of the Japanese companies that sort of made an impact in the US, and then the Mexican companies like AAA and CMLL. So I feel like I'm the first guy to wrestle for all of those. And, yeah, that was a pretty neat accolade, a neat little like badge of honor to sort of wear, especially as much as I was sort of a spokesperson, I guess, for the independent wrestling scene in the early 2000s like the late 90s, early 2000s Yeah, it's pretty cool to be to say I did all of these places."

On the terrifying spot with Suicide during Ultimate X:​

"I was holding on so tight to Suicide that he ended up taking the brunt of the fall. And the funny thing is, that wasn't the original plan, because Frankie and I, who's doing Suicide, we had an idea of what we wanted to do, and I'll tell you the story. So we had both jumped off the top of the trust before in these Ultimate X matches, we were the only ones. So I had an idea, what if we did this? I'll get on this truss, and you get on this truss, and you jump first, and then I'll jump and I'll land on your back, and then we'll stand on the ropes, and I'll hook you for angel's wings, and then you backdrop me, and that was what we were going to do. I was full on ready to take this backdrop from the top of the truss into the ring. Then we get to Irvine, and they've got a ceiling on it. They've got these trusses over the top that cover the X, and we couldn't do that because every time we had done Ultimate X in Orlando, they had bolted the trusses to the floor. But we didn't own Irvine. This was UC Irvine. So we had to have the truss on top. We couldn't bolt it to the floor. We couldn't use it to secure the trusses. So we had to have the X over top. So then we came up with this idea of all right, well, I guess we'll climb down and I'll try and do this complete shot to you, and it turned so my legs got hooked. And instead of just going flat on a flat back, which still would have been an insane bump, it ended up being like almost upside down and landing like this."

"Joe really yelled at me that day. The actual danger was coming to the back and having Samoa Joe grab you by the neck and go, 'Don't you ever do that again!' Really, really frightening. I was like, oh my God. I was fine. I literally landed, and the referee comes over to my face. He goes, 'Oh my god, are you okay?' I'm like, 'Yeah, I'm good. What's up?' But I could hear that the air escape the room. In the end, I wish we hadn't done that, because it literally the match just stopped right there, like poor [Amazing] Red is still fighting and trying to get the X Division belt, and the world thinks, Oh, my God, we just witnessed a death like they're not even thinking about the match anymore at that point. So I feel bad that it ended up being what it was. But I mean, that's the thing everybody remembers, is my near-death experience. Well, that's not really what we wanted to get. I tell people all the time, 'Chris Daniels almost dies' is on YouTube."

On why he never joined WWE when WCW got bought out:​

"Well, it was a developmental deal, because I had that match with Mike Modest on Nitro, and we did the angle at the end where Scott Steiner came out and broke our legs. So the idea was going to be like, we would heal, and at some point we would come back. That was January of 2001, then by March of 2001 they had closed. And so basically, WWE took all the contracts, and they just went down the list. They're like, All right, we'll keep you, we'll keep you. We'll keep you. And like all the guys at developmental, they're like, Oh, well, we don't need you."

On the rumour he was going to be the higher power in WWE:​

"I didn't hear this until years later. [So is there any truth to it?] Maybe, but it was never anything that they told me, and honestly, it was a terrible idea anyway. Because the idea would have been Undertaker is answering to this higher power, and then I unmask, and it's me, and it's like, Who the f*ck is this guy? It's sort of like what was going on in my first WCW contract as well. When I first signed with WCW, they had an idea, the way they described it to me was, if Vampiro is Darth Vader, you're the Emperor. And I was like, Okay. But also, at this point, Vampiro was feuding with Sting, and I was an unknown indie guy, so whatever the reveal was gonna be at that point was gonna be a letdown to me. And so I thought, Okay, we'll do this. I remember going to WCW one day, cutting this promo backstage with Vampiro, I've got this hood, and they're talking to me, like, 'All right, talk about harvesting souls and things like that.' I'm like, okay. So I cut this promo. We get it live, and then I'm back in the locker room, and it comes on live Nitro, and we watch it. And as soon as it's done, Jeff Jarrett, who happens to be there, and I haven't really even met Jeff at this point, goes, 'Who the f*ck was that?!' And I was like, 'That's me sir.' Then that flopped so quickly that they didn't go forward with that idea. Then I was just under contract with WCW. I was traveling with them for like, four months, and then they let me go. That was the first contract that I had with them that ended like, JJ Dillon called me, is like, hey, you're not wrestling a whole lot for us. And I was like, Well, you're not booking me, so that's why. It's not like I'm wasting your money on purpose, sir. But they let me go."

On how he found out about the rumour:​

"It came out on the internet. I think maybe Bruce Prichard mentioned it? But yeah, everyone was like, 'Christopher Daniels was almost the higher power.' I was like, was he though? I don't think that's true. I think maybe it was discussed because I had been going to do WWE dark matches as an extra, and Jim Cornette was always sort of high on trying to get me there early on when the light heavyweight thing was a thing, and they knew I was doing the fallen angel. So I think they thought, Oh, well, maybe this is something that we could use him as. But honestly, I think once Vince saw me, and, you know, I'm 5 10 and this is the time when everybody is six feet something, it's like, we can do better. And I was like, that makes sense."

On whether he knew the Unbreakable 2005 match was going to be something special:​

"Yes and no. We knew we could do a good match, we had all worked with each other. I don't know if we had done a three-way prior to this, but I know I had worked with AJ a bunch. I had worked with Joe a bunch. I know Joe and AJ had done some stuff, and we were always very similar in our mindset of let's get the match over. Let's show off. Let's show our best stuff. But also, we weren't afraid of I need to get my stuff in. None of us were like that. We were like, All right, well, is this good for the match? Great! Let's do it. And then that day, come to find out, Oh, you guys are the main event. And we're like, Oh, okay. And I think we might have asked, and they said, 'Well, the heavyweight title match was Raven vs. Rhino. And while that's got star power, and it's a different vibe, it's not going to be able to follow what you guys do in terms of action.' Okay, that's fair. So that night, as we're going through it, and at that point too, the impact zone fan base, I felt was very protective and possessive, I feel like they felt like they had found this uncovered gem that no one else knew about and so, yeah, these are our guys, and a lot of the X-Division wrestlers were beneficiaries of that goodwill. So I feel this match sort of cements the mentality of the last component to a five-star match to me is the atmosphere and the environment. Because everything we did that night, they were there for. It sounded like the Tokyo Dome to me, the people, everyone's going nuts for everything as it's going 20 minutes long. Everybody was there for everything. We knew at the end. I was like, okay, that went really well. That went really well. I didn't know that we'd still be talking about it 20 years later. But yeah, I mean, I felt like we could go out there and do something good. I just didn't know it'd be that good until after the bell rang, and I was like, Oh, that was something."

On his shock TNA release:​

"I feel like there were times where I butted heads creatively with guys like Vince Russo. You know, sometimes it's easier to eliminate a problem than try to solve it."

You were the problem?​

"I tried to make sense of stuff, and I never was like, 'Hey, I'm not going to do that.' But I also tried to make sense of things. I remember, I went to Vince and I said, 'What do I need to do? What can I do?' And he said to me, 'Hey, your work is gonna get you over.' I was like, okay. But then he would write me into these situations where he would say, 'All right, don't do any of these hand symbols and stop wearing ring jackets to the ring.' It was almost like he wanted me to stop doing anything that had some sort of personality to it. He just wanted me go out and wrestle. And I tried to make the best of that. But then I would come back to the back. I would never say, 'Hey, was that good?' I would say, 'Hey, was that what you wanted?' And then with the mindset of if that's what you wanted, and then it didn't work, then what's the problem here? If I went out there and I didn't do what you wanted me to do, then I understand that's my fault. But if I go out there and I do what you want me to do, and you tell me, that's what I wanted, and then it doesn't work, well, then the problem seems to be what you wanted wasn't good. So that was sort of my issue with that. So I got let go, and then a year later, he's okay to bring me back. I remember we had a meeting in front of the entire locker room, and he singled me out. He goes, 'You know, Chris, the reason we let you go is because you weren't over.' And I went, 'Okay. But also I'm doing the stories you're writing, and I'm doing the things you want me to do, and I'm not over. Maybe those aren't good ideas.' I'm sure if he reads this or hears this now, he's gonna pipe back and be like, 'No, Chris, you just wanted to do high spots.' I was like, No, I wanted to do what would work. But you never really, you didn't really, I don't know."

On winning the ROH World Championship:​

"It did not become a possibility until after we had the match in Boston, me and Frankie versus The Young Bucks versus the Motor City Machine Guns at that all star extravaganza where we lost the titles in basically, that TLC match, a ladder war. Maybe even the next day, Kevin Kelly said to me, 'You know, maybe we should think about making you World Champion after that performance.' Because I went out there and bled buckets and got my ass kicked for however long we went and took all these wacky bumps. I feel like it was one of those things where I won in losing that night. So I think that was the first time where Kevin Kelly was like, hmm, maybe we sort of ride this into you becoming world champion at some point. So it was sort of at that moment that I started to turn babyface, and then started this story. And Hunter [Delirious], who was also doing creative, had this mentality of like, okay, maybe this is the time where we actually, finally end the story of your drive to the World Championship. And along the way, I was like, Listen, if this isn't good for us, the company, don't do it. Don't do it just to give me this accolade. Because if it's good for me and not good for us as the company, it's not worth it. Because I don't want to be the guy that's like, oh, look, he politicked to get the World Championship. Okay, this guy's a world champion. I didn't want that. So I kept telling him, if this is no good, we don't need to do it. I don't need it. And they're like, No, this is good. It ended up being great. I think it ended up being great for everything. It was one of those things that we didn't write it that way in 2002 to where I didn't win the belt and never won the belt and never got it in 2010 and finally got it in 2017 but it ended up being that way. And I was like oh, long-term storytelling. Sometimes it just happens that way."

On losing the title to Cody Rhodes:​

"Yeah, that was fun. That was a lot of fun to be able to work with Cody. And I remember, I think me and Hunter [Delirious] at the same time decided Cody should be the guy. Because I remember going to him, I was like, hey, what about Cody? And he was like, Hey, we think we're about putting the belt on him. I was like, Yeah, that's right, because he's the guy right now. And so when we were going over this thing and talking about, I remember it wasn't until right before, I think maybe the first time I had ever called a match the night before the show was that latter war thing. And so I did it then, and then I did it the night before the title match with Adam Cole. And I remember getting with Cody the night before, and I was thinking like, Hey, man, if anybody should appreciate the romance of the idea of finally winning a world championship and becoming world champion, I think it would be you, because of his history throughout this business. I was like, I think I feel like you would appreciate this idea. And so let's, you know, we put this thing together, and it went great. It was really fun working with Cody. I had a great time."

On the inspiration of the BME:​

"Okay, so I was always a moonsault guy. I always wanted to do a moonsault. The Great Muta inspired me to do a moonsault. And so I started to learn a moonsault, like early 94 95 I was even doing it. I remember doing it for the first time in Puerto Rico when I was in WWC. So I was training one day in windy city, and there was a Mexican wrestler that was there, it wasn't anybody famous, I don't even remember the gentleman's name, but I saw him bounce from the second [rope], bounce to the top, do a cross body. And I thought, Oh, that's cool. At the time, I was playing with this moonsault where you stand on the top rope and then you jump up and bounce. You basically turn and bounce, like Mark Mero had done. So I was doing that for a little bit and having sort of good success with it. But then I thought. Oh, maybe it'd be easier if I just did this bounce-bounce thing. And so for the longest time, I just called it the double bounce moonsault. I wasn't doing it on television at that point, so no one was calling it the double bounce moonsault, no announcers were calling it. It was just me when I would say, Hey, okay, this, this, this, and then I'll hit you with the double bounce moonsault. So somewhere along the lines in TNA, you know, I'm a Simpsons fan. So everything that Comic Book Guy said was like best comic book ever. And I thought, haha! So I was like best moonsault ever. So that was where I got that from."

On Tiffany Stratton having the prettiest moonsault ever:​

"Which was very, very cool of her. I don't know Tiffany at all. I've never met her. But the fact that she didn't just copy it, she sort of adjusted it, which is what the greats do. I feel like they don't just steal. If we are inspired by something, we try to put our own little spin on it. And so the fact that she goes from the bottom all the way up and then to sort of like, pay homage, call it in that same vein, PME, I was like, that's pretty cool. I can't be mad at that."

Is there a secret to it?​

"Yeah. I mean, for me, the idea was using the top rope to sort of balance yourself until you bounce, and then once you bounce, it's basically push from the top and bounce off the second at the same time to go straight. And you just got to keep your eyes on the ropes. So, I mean, I wasn't perfect all the time, but I very rarely flubbed it. And just very lucky to be able to do it and keep doing it as long as I did."

On how long his eye took to heal:​

"So, news flash, that was never real. So I had the match with The Young Bucks, all right, and all of you that are watching now, you're gonna feel this. So I had the match with The Young Bucks where SCU split up. I got super kicked into the post, and the next day, I had this huge black eye, and it started to fill with blood. I thought, Man, that's pretty cool. Then three days later, it healed. I was like, Oh, that's too bad, but then I thought, what if? So at the time, Abadon was working for us, and they wear these contacts. And I said, 'Do you have a guy that does these contacts, because I want to do this thing?' They’re like, Yeah. They put me in touch with this guy. I was like, Listen, this is what I want. I just want to make it look like a hemorrhage. I had pitched this idea of I had lost everything. I made this video that I presented to AEW and Tony. And I was like, Hey, here's the story. I was the ring general, but my plans failed, and because of that, SCU is no longer a thing, and now I have this scar to show for my failure. But I'm going to come back, and all I have left is my career and my fighting. So I sent this in, and at the end of that match, I even said to Matt and Nick and Frankie, this might be my last match. I could retire from this. And if I retire because of this, cool."

"So I didn't wrestle for like, three or four months, and then I came up with this idea, gave it to Tony, and then I started doing a little bit of the Indies. I thought, Okay, well, this will get me back on television, but we never really capitalized on that. Then I came back six months later to do the match with Bryan when AEW bought Ring of Honor. That was my first match back from whenever I made the match with The Bucks. So yeah, so that was the mentality of let’s do this thing. So I kept it for a long time, and then later down the line, I was like, Oh, we're not really concentrating on this. This isn't really a thing anymore. So I was like, Yeah, you know what? Maybe it's time for the eye to heal. I wore it for like a year and a half, and I wore it everywhere. The first time I debuted it out in public, I went to the Heels premiere, I met Stephen Amell. He's like, 'Oh my god, your eye.' And I was like, yeah, man, it's okay. And then the next time he saw me was that we were at Grand Slam and Arthur Ashe, and he comes up to me, goes, 'Hey, your eye has healed.' And I was like, 'Hey, that was fake.' He was like, 'You son of a bitch!' I was like, 'Listen, we just watched a television show about a caped man. So what did you want?'"

Could you see through it?​

"Oh, yeah, perfectly fine. 100%. The funny thing is, one time I was at a signing, and this lady comes up. She goes, 'Oh, how's your eye?' And I go, 'Well, you know, it's still like this, I don't know.' And she was like, 'Oh, well, that's weird. You know, I'm a doctor.' And I went, Yep, cool. And she's like, 'Yeah, that's not really typical.' And I go, 'No, ma'am, it's not.' Sorry, doctor. I didn't mean to lie to you either."

On whether Curry Man has retired:​

"Well, that was Curry Man's final match. The last match for Christopher Daniels was the match with Adam Page, and that shall be his last match. And then Curry Man also decided to hang up the boots after wrestling the masked brother. So it was easy for me to decide to do a Curry Man match because it was with a friend of mine, my best friend and to have that moment be the official last time I ever take a bump in a wrestling ring for a wrestling match. That was cool. But also, I don't feel like it takes away from anything that happened in the match with Adam, because that is the last time you'll see this human wrestling a wrestling match."

On the story behind Curry Man:​

"Okay, so every four years at the time, Michinoku Pro would do a masked man tournament. It was a big round robin, month long thing, and they did it in 95. I want to say Jerry Lynn was in it. Gorgons Cross was his character. This was May of 99, so in April of 99 I do a tour with Michinoku Pro as Christopher Daniels. And afterwards, they're like, 'Hey, we'd like you to be in this tournament.' Because they would have their regular masked wrestlers, Great Sasuke, Tiger Mask, and then they would make these characters for the tournament to fill it out. So they wanted me to be one of the guys. There was Jason Cross from the UK, was one of them. Jody Fleisch from the UK was one of them. And so there was a guy named Kendo, an older Mexican wrestler, and he was translating for me, but his English wasn't great."

"So he comes up to me the day I get there, and he goes, 'Ah, you are Karema.' And I go, I don't know what Karema means. Okay, I'm Karema. And then I get to the building, and I see the t-shirt, and it has all the names of the wrestlers in the tournament, and it says Curry Man. And I go, I guess I'm Curry Man. So they explained to me there's a cartoon in Japan called Kinicumin, which is muscle busters, muscle wrestlers, something like that. And there was a character called Curry Cook. And the gimmick was this Curry Cook had a plate of curry and rice on his head. So curry man had this plate of food on his head. And I was like, Oh, okay. And honestly, as racist as this sounds, I didn't know how to play this character. They just said I was from India. And so at the time, being a Simpsons Mark, I became Apu, and I would wrestle like Apu. I would hit something. I'd be like, 'Oh, so sorry', and I was like eugh. So for a while, I thought, Oh, this is weird. I just wanted to wrestle, and so I got depressed. I'm not really feeling this thing. And finally, Grand Hamato, who is one of the older veterans, he comes up to me, goes 'Hey, just wrestle.' And he walks away. Then I was just like f*ck it. I'll just have fun.

So then I came up with this idea of, like, in addition to wearing this mask and doing this nonsense, I would come out and dance, and I would do all this fun stuff, and I changed my gear from the yellow Sabu singlet and baggy pants that they gave me, and I just wore what I would usually wear. I had a cut-off T-shirt like Billy Gunn used to wear to hide the tattoo, because Curry Man wasn't Christopher Daniels at that time. So then I started doing all this stuff, and that's where it started to catch sort of fire in Michinoku Pro, and that became a real popular character for them."

What is Christopher Daniels grateful for?​

“Wrestling, my wife and my kids.”