Tremendez said:

You’re potentially just voting for the other half of the one has to be scum conflict.

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Loochblade said:

I'm not surprised about it, I guess I gave plenty of reasons for some people to be suspicious of me.

I expected you to bring those posts back up, Sky. Maybe




First of all, the timing with these is important, because my last post before that plays a role here. Juice posted this at 11:03am (my time):



I saw that some time later and started writing this one, which I posted at 11:37am: (I did not see Juice's post from 11:33am)



I then went back a page and read some earlier posts. I quoted these two of your posts, which are part of my bigger post you are worried about.







I started writing that post without knowing Juice has suddenly claim his role. I posted it at 12:05pm, then saw the posts that were made in the meantime, saw the reactions about Juice claiming and like I said to Poyser, who questioned my "Well... Great..." post as well, I didn't think anything about it as it's basically just a "sigh"-post.

You jumped on my post and said flat out, that if Juice turns out to be the SK, these two posts would make me automatically scum. Now, couple of hours ago, you still pulled these posts up and apparently still use them to paint me as scum, as you have afterwards posted your reads table, with me at the top of the scum pile... even with Juice turning out not to be a SK.

I'm probably missing something (or reading anything wrong, since I'm also not sure why it would have made me scum anyways) and I'm sure this doesn't automatically clear me in any way, but it's still curious.

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Another thing, that also slightly ties into the upper part here, makes me anxious and that is the weird triangular dynamic I picked up with Sky, Poyser and Jean.



I had Juice, Jean, Brett and Poyser in my bigger reads post as those who gave the most scum vibe off to me and I put me on Poyser and stayed there for the rest of the day, because he didn't really do anything to eradicate those scum vibes. My reasoning was the (to me) apparent slight steering of the ship and Poyser trying to pull Brett back onto Juice. Poyser basically defended it by basically saying "Naw, man. Mafia wouldn't do that, only Town drives to get things happen."

That line of thinking is something he again used as a defense when, I dunno who, said something along the lines of "Someone in that Juice train has to be scum", stating that Mafia wouldn't possibly sit on a train like that, when Town would be about to lynch Town AND then he used it once more today in a sarcastic throw-away manner, when Troop put his vote on him.

I completely acknowledge it is just my personal thinking (as I only have my experiences to go off on with this) that it is bonkers to assume that Mafia wouldn't possibly do anything pro-active, but just sit back and let things happen... and bringing that up multiple times as a be-all-end-all defense is imo very suspicious.

Now, I said there was a dynamic with Sky and Jean going. Well... Poyser, while he wasn't on the hot seat yet, threw out the "Lynch me next, if Juice flips town".



Which I brought back up about 2 hours later with this:



Sky then brought it up when she came online and was "skimming the thread" to catch up



And now we make a circle out of that, because that is something I was talking about in the bigger post that got Sky so worried from way back up at the beginning of this long ass post.




She didn't respond to that... but Jean did responded to Sky's post about Poyser's move today with



And I agree with this.

Sky locking Poyser as town, while she had been locked town by Juice (after a short back and forth between the two, Juice immediately put Sky as safe town and never again put it in question) AND by Jean, who is convinced she's town, because she plays like she always plays when she's town (and Jean being a player, I would imagine, many other players would trust) makes me think there is something possibly nefarious going on there.

I know how it looks, since both are on me, but looking at todays voting path... well, Jean put himself on Lethal. Sky did so as well some time later, with Poyser following her immediately. Then they question Lethal about reads, my name comes up as well, understandably so, with Poyser then shortly after turning his vote to me... and some time after that Sky does so as well.

Now... obviously, it's hard to believe there might be even two scums trying to pull something like this off, because it would make them look suspicious as fuck, when I'd get lynched and turn out to be, what I am, which is a Vanilla Townmate (Yea, I sadly don't have a role to claim, but as a Vanilla Townie, I'm not a tough loss in case I would get killed off, so there you go, that's my reasoning for claiming my role now), right?

Well, not necessarily. Both could use it to go at each other afterwards and with Sky being locked down as Town by the confirmed FBI Agent Juice and a trusted, experienced player as Jean with a completely understandable reasoning behind it. If then, let's say Poyser, does go down, Sky would probably be locked down Town for everyone.

There is also the (admittedly more likely) possibility that only one of them is scum and tried to rope the other two (I count Jean here as well) into something, that could be used somewhat as a shield or defense at another point.

I can also see a teeny-weenie chance that all three are scum, which would be completely bonkers, but would still fit the bill, because going after Jean AND Sky would probably not happening at all for another 1-2 phases at least.

I was on Poyser yesterday. I was wrong about Juice for feeling the scum vibe coming from him, but I still had Poyser above him AND I also stated multiple times I could believe the FBI Agent claim, which I think Smark and Poyser didn't. I still think there is something weird in his multiple defenses with "Mafia wouldn't possibly do anything active" and then we had today's voting path.

Therefore
Vote
Poyser

Sky is, right now, a close second for me, due to this whole dynamic, even if it's only a negligible one. Maybe I'm completely wrong and read way too much into the whole thing, but man, I just can't not bring it all up since it's really nagging at me more than anything else really.

Btw... Lethal as scum would also be quite feasible. Sky and Poyser jumping on Lethal, after Jean already went there earlier, just to jump off again... that could be used as well afterwards.

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I'm sorry about this long ass post, but I wanted to put everything into one instead of splattering it all over possibly multiple pages.

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Loochblade said:

I only said it's a weird triangular dynamic. Yes, I said at the end there is the tiniest chance all three of you are putting something up, but that's so far-fetched it's out of this realm. You and Poyser though, while also very unlikely, let's say I wouldn't be surprised about it.


So... anyone saying X person could be scum is very likely scum then? Guess this is a reversed game then, didn't know that yet.

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Tremendez said:

I did say potentially. The first option was performance issues.

And for the record, if you are town there’s nothing wrong with voting for Brett based on his hider claim. If I was a town faith healer and I had that definitive information I’d be adamant town doesn’t have a hider.

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Lethal said:

My bear pal.

Mafia absolutely do active things and muddy stuff up. Poyser can 100% be able to direct it and get away with it too.

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Lethal said:

Poyser is town

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Loochblade said:

I'm not surprised about it, I guess I gave plenty of reasons for some people to be suspicious of me.

I expected you to bring those posts back up, Sky. Maybe




First of all, the timing with these is important, because my last post before that plays a role here. Juice posted this at 11:03am (my time):



I saw that some time later and started writing this one, which I posted at 11:37am: (I did not see Juice's post from 11:33am)



I then went back a page and read some earlier posts. I quoted these two of your posts, which are part of my bigger post you are worried about.







I started writing that post without knowing Juice has suddenly claim his role. I posted it at 12:05pm, then saw the posts that were made in the meantime, saw the reactions about Juice claiming and like I said to Poyser, who questioned my "Well... Great..." post as well, I didn't think anything about it as it's basically just a "sigh"-post.

You jumped on my post and said flat out, that if Juice turns out to be the SK, these two posts would make me automatically scum. Now, couple of hours ago, you still pulled these posts up and apparently still use them to paint me as scum, as you have afterwards posted your reads table, with me at the top of the scum pile... even with Juice turning out not to be a SK.

I'm probably missing something (or reading anything wrong, since I'm also not sure why it would have made me scum anyways) and I'm sure this doesn't automatically clear me in any way, but it's still curious.

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Another thing, that also slightly ties into the upper part here, makes me anxious and that is the weird triangular dynamic I picked up with Sky, Poyser and Jean.



I had Juice, Jean, Brett and Poyser in my bigger reads post as those who gave the most scum vibe off to me and I put me on Poyser and stayed there for the rest of the day, because he didn't really do anything to eradicate those scum vibes. My reasoning was the (to me) apparent slight steering of the ship and Poyser trying to pull Brett back onto Juice. Poyser basically defended it by basically saying "Naw, man. Mafia wouldn't do that, only Town drives to get things happen."

That line of thinking is something he again used as a defense when, I dunno who, said something along the lines of "Someone in that Juice train has to be scum", stating that Mafia wouldn't possibly sit on a train like that, when Town would be about to lynch Town AND then he used it once more today in a sarcastic throw-away manner, when Troop put his vote on him.

I completely acknowledge it is just my personal thinking (as I only have my experiences to go off on with this) that it is bonkers to assume that Mafia wouldn't possibly do anything pro-active, but just sit back and let things happen... and bringing that up multiple times as a be-all-end-all defense is imo very suspicious.

Now, I said there was a dynamic with Sky and Jean going. Well... Poyser, while he wasn't on the hot seat yet, threw out the "Lynch me next, if Juice flips town".



Which I brought back up about 2 hours later with this:



Sky then brought it up when she came online and was "skimming the thread" to catch up



And now we make a circle out of that, because that is something I was talking about in the bigger post that got Sky so worried from way back up at the beginning of this long ass post.




She didn't respond to that... but Jean did responded to Sky's post about Poyser's move today with



And I agree with this.

Sky locking Poyser as town, while she had been locked town by Juice (after a short back and forth between the two, Juice immediately put Sky as safe town and never again put it in question) AND by Jean, who is convinced she's town, because she plays like she always plays when she's town (and Jean being a player, I would imagine, many other players would trust) makes me think there is something possibly nefarious going on there.

I know how it looks, since both are on me, but looking at todays voting path... well, Jean put himself on Lethal. Sky did so as well some time later, with Poyser following her immediately. Then they question Lethal about reads, my name comes up as well, understandably so, with Poyser then shortly after turning his vote to me... and some time after that Sky does so as well.

Now... obviously, it's hard to believe there might be even two scums trying to pull something like this off, because it would make them look suspicious as fuck, when I'd get lynched and turn out to be, what I am, which is a Vanilla Townmate (Yea, I sadly don't have a role to claim, but as a Vanilla Townie, I'm not a tough loss in case I would get killed off, so there you go, that's my reasoning for claiming my role now), right?

Well, not necessarily. Both could use it to go at each other afterwards and with Sky being locked down as Town by the confirmed FBI Agent Juice and a trusted, experienced player as Jean with a completely understandable reasoning behind it. If then, let's say Poyser, does go down, Sky would probably be locked down Town for everyone.

There is also the (admittedly more likely) possibility that only one of them is scum and tried to rope the other two (I count Jean here as well) into something, that could be used somewhat as a shield or defense at another point.

I can also see a teeny-weenie chance that all three are scum, which would be completely bonkers, but would still fit the bill, because going after Jean AND Sky would probably not happening at all for another 1-2 phases at least.

I was on Poyser yesterday. I was wrong about Juice for feeling the scum vibe coming from him, but I still had Poyser above him AND I also stated multiple times I could believe the FBI Agent claim, which I think Smark and Poyser didn't. I still think there is something weird in his multiple defenses with "Mafia wouldn't possibly do anything active" and then we had today's voting path.

Therefore
Vote
Poyser

Sky is, right now, a close second for me, due to this whole dynamic, even if it's only a negligible one. Maybe I'm completely wrong and read way too much into the whole thing, but man, I just can't not bring it all up since it's really nagging at me more than anything else really.

Btw... Lethal as scum would also be quite feasible. Sky and Poyser jumping on Lethal, after Jean already went there earlier, just to jump off again... that could be used as well afterwards.

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I'm sorry about this long ass post, but I wanted to put everything into one instead of splattering it all over possibly multiple pages.

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Loochblade said:

Come again for big Looch?

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Tremendez said:

My trust issue here is by you not being adamant about that. You’ve given yourself wiggle room if he flips town hider, you are gonna argue against your Lynch, based on the standpoint that you never bought into that dichotomy.

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Lethal said:

My bear pal.

Mafia absolutely do active things and muddy stuff up. Poyser can 100% be able to direct it and get away with it too.

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Loochblade said:

Come again for big Looch?

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