@Loochblade would love to know what you think of the sus on you
I'm not surprised about it, I guess I gave plenty of reasons for some people to be suspicious of me.
I expected you to bring those posts back up, Sky. Maybe
Unless they both are scum, which is highly unlikely, of course, but it would probably make Poyser safe for almost the rest of the game if Juice turns out to be scum. ... Maybe I have the timing on this wrong, but I didn't feel it was quite unnecessary at that moment, since we still had quite some time on the clock and Smark was turning to look at Poyser. ... I don't remember, was this after or before Smark and Juice calmed down again, because that could also played a part in it.
It really sucks... since Juice claimed to have some possibly auspicious role, I can't shake the feeling we're about to lynch not just townsfolk here, but possibly important townsfolk at that... but then again, what other options do we have now? Switching onto someone completely different in the last hours of the phase in hopes we hit someone bad by luck, while getting the top 2-3 on the list of suspects investigated and returned as clean?
It sucks a lot, but what else can we do now? I said Poyser or Juice before, but it would be wrong not to include Smark here, with what transpired in the second half of the phase. Either of the three would give us the most to go off on, imo, including about the two we don't lynch out of those three.
First of all, the timing with these is important, because my last post before that plays a role here. Juice posted this at 11:03am (my time):
Town can go ahead and vote me. I'm resigned to the fact im getting lynched day one again. Next game as town I will be low effort, zero scum hunting and minimal posting. Writing is on the wall now.
I saw that some time later and started writing this one, which I posted at 11:37am: (I did not see Juice's post from 11:33am)
Well... you said you don't wanna claim and instead chose to be secretive about your role in a way no one knows what you mean with it. You don't even wanna give us anything more specific about your supposed role, or explain to us, why you won't (or can't) claim anything specific (other than "Would be bad for Town/Heads will roll", which doesn't help anyone to side with someone, who could very well be in defense mode at that point).
Looking from the outside onto the situation and considering everything that went down this phase, you can't blame people for thinking you might be scum, especially when more than half the field of players had situations anyone could see as questionable, off or flat out scummy. ...and it's not like everyone's out to get you either. It's a close one and the vote count shows how tough this first day had been, to pin down anyone.
I then went back a page and read some earlier posts. I quoted these two of your posts, which are part of my bigger post you are worried about.
Actually willing to lock Poyser town, that "vote Juice then vote me" is an unnecessary sacrifice to make as scum on a wagon that he knows will very likely go through.
Unless they both are scum, which is highly unlikely, of course, but it would probably make Poyser safe for almost the rest of the game if Juice turns out to be scum. ... Maybe I have the timing on this wrong, but I didn't feel it was quite unnecessary at that moment, since we still had quite some time on the clock and Smark was turning to look at Poyser. ... I don't remember, was this after or before Smark and Juice calmed down again, because that could also played a part in it.
It's really annoying because I do not have enough genuine scum leans and there's a genuine possibility that Juice is just bad town again. Where does that leave this game
It really sucks... since Juice claimed to have some possibly auspicious role, I can't shake the feeling we're about to lynch not just townsfolk here, but possibly important townsfolk at that... but then again, what other options do we have now? Switching onto someone completely different in the last hours of the phase in hopes we hit someone bad by luck, while getting the top 2-3 on the list of suspects investigated and returned as clean?
It sucks a lot, but what else can we do now? I said Poyser or Juice before, but it would be wrong not to include Smark here, with what transpired in the second half of the phase. Either of the three would give us the most to go off on, imo, including about the two we don't lynch out of those three.
I started writing that post without knowing Juice has suddenly claim his role. I posted it at 12:05pm, then saw the posts that were made in the meantime, saw the reactions about Juice claiming and like I said to Poyser, who questioned my "Well... Great..." post as well, I didn't think anything about it as it's basically just a "sigh"-post.
You jumped on my post and said flat out, that if Juice turns out to be the SK, these two posts would make me automatically scum. Now, couple of hours ago, you still pulled these posts up and apparently still use them to paint me as scum, as you have afterwards posted your reads table, with me at the top of the scum pile... even with Juice turning out not to be a SK.
I'm probably missing something (or reading anything wrong, since I'm also not sure why it would have made me scum anyways) and I'm sure this doesn't automatically clear me in any way, but it's still curious.
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Another thing, that also slightly ties into the upper part here, makes me anxious and that is the weird triangular dynamic I picked up with Sky, Poyser and Jean.
I still think there might be something in a quick, outta nowhere train, which would make Poyser or Jean might go up in the possible scum assessment, even if it's not by much. Both did try to steer the ship somewhat too... not sure if that could mean anything.
Heck, there's still the possibility Juice and either Brett, Poyser or Jean are scum and they tried something there, but that would be an incredible gamble at this point in time, even if a lynch was likely not happening.
We have a lot of not really active players still too, so that is something to keep in mind.
Right now the vibes I got from this first phase is that we have at least one scum in the group of Juice, Jean, Brett and Poyser. I think there were some shenanigans going on these last couple of hours. Poyser trying to pull Brett back onto Juice or don't really answering me about their decision to go for Juice seemed off too..
I also have that feeling one of the least active players so far are also in the baddies, which would be Smark, Avie, Troop... Fuji and Mochii haven't posted yet, so I dunno if I would count them to those
Which leaves Booty, Lethal, Wang, Sky and myself. At the moment, I don't feel like Booty or Sky are Mafia, while Wang and Lethal were relative unsuspicious, but not that involved compared to the other two, imo.
So for now I can really only go with a gut feeling and go
Vote Poyser
I had Juice, Jean, Brett and Poyser in my bigger reads post as those who gave the most scum vibe off to me and I put me on Poyser and stayed there for the rest of the day, because he didn't really do anything to eradicate those scum vibes. My reasoning was the (to me) apparent slight steering of the ship and Poyser trying to pull Brett back onto Juice. Poyser basically defended it by basically saying "Naw, man. Mafia wouldn't do that, only Town drives to get things happen."
That line of thinking is something he again used as a defense when, I dunno who, said something along the lines of "Someone in that Juice train has to be scum", stating that Mafia wouldn't possibly sit on a train like that, when Town would be about to lynch Town AND then he used it once more today in a sarcastic throw-away manner, when Troop put his vote on him.
I completely acknowledge it is just my personal thinking (as I only have my experiences to go off on with this) that it is bonkers to assume that Mafia wouldn't possibly do anything pro-active, but just sit back and let things happen... and bringing that up multiple times as a be-all-end-all defense is imo very suspicious.
Now, I said there was a dynamic with Sky and Jean going. Well... Poyser, while he wasn't on the hot seat yet, threw out the "Lynch me next, if Juice flips town".
Ok let’s lynch him and if he’s town, you can lynch me
Which I brought back up about 2 hours later with this:
Poyser throwing in the "Kill Juice, then kill me if Juice isn't Mafia" made me think both could be Town, BUT I also think at this point in time we would learn the most with either of the two being lynched, because they had a lot of interactions with a lot of different players today, I'd say. Either of their deaths would give us some clues and especially Smark and Brett, imo... as well as the one of the two that wasn't lynched of course.
Unless someone comes around with some surprisingly good insight, idea or argument (or claim), swinging to anyone else at this moment would seem like a bad idea.
Sky then brought it up when she came online and was "skimming the thread" to catch up
Actually willing to lock Poyser town, that "vote Juice then vote me" is an unnecessary sacrifice to make as scum on a wagon that he knows will very likely go through.
And now we make a circle out of that, because that is something I was talking about in the bigger post that got Sky so worried from way back up at the beginning of this long ass post.
Actually willing to lock Poyser town, that "vote Juice then vote me" is an unnecessary sacrifice to make as scum on a wagon that he knows will very likely go through.
Unless they both are scum, which is highly unlikely, of course, but it would probably make Poyser safe for almost the rest of the game if Juice turns out to be scum. ... Maybe I have the timing on this wrong, but I didn't feel it was quite unnecessary at that moment, since we still had quite some time on the clock and Smark was turning to look at Poyser. ... I don't remember, was this after or before Smark and Juice calmed down again, because that could also played a part in it.
She didn't respond to that... but Jean did responded to Sky's post about Poyser's move today with
And I agree with this.
Sky locking Poyser as town, while she had been locked town by Juice (after a short back and forth between the two, Juice immediately put Sky as safe town and never again put it in question) AND by Jean, who is convinced she's town, because she plays like she always plays when she's town (and Jean being a player, I would imagine, many other players would trust) makes me think there is something possibly nefarious going on there.
I know how it looks, since both are on me, but looking at todays voting path... well, Jean put himself on Lethal. Sky did so as well some time later, with Poyser following her immediately. Then they question Lethal about reads, my name comes up as well, understandably so, with Poyser then shortly after turning his vote to me... and some time after that Sky does so as well.
Now... obviously, it's hard to believe there might be even two scums trying to pull something like this off, because it would make them look suspicious as fuck, when I'd get lynched and turn out to be, what I am, which is a Vanilla Townmate (Yea, I sadly don't have a role to claim, but as a Vanilla Townie, I'm not a tough loss in case I would get killed off, so there you go, that's my reasoning for claiming my role now), right?
Well, not necessarily. Both could use it to go at each other afterwards and with Sky being locked down as Town by the confirmed FBI Agent Juice and a trusted, experienced player as Jean with a completely understandable reasoning behind it. If then, let's say Poyser, does go down, Sky would probably be locked down Town for everyone.
There is also the (admittedly more likely) possibility that only one of them is scum and tried to rope the other two (I count Jean here as well) into something, that could be used somewhat as a shield or defense at another point.
I can also see a teeny-weenie chance that all three are scum, which would be completely bonkers, but would still fit the bill, because going after Jean AND Sky would probably not happening at all for another 1-2 phases at least.
I was on Poyser yesterday. I was wrong about Juice for feeling the scum vibe coming from him, but I still had Poyser above him AND I also stated multiple times I could believe the FBI Agent claim, which I think Smark and Poyser didn't. I still think there is something weird in his multiple defenses with "Mafia wouldn't possibly do anything active" and then we had today's voting path.
Therefore
Vote
Poyser
Sky is, right now, a close second for me, due to this whole dynamic, even if it's only a negligible one. Maybe I'm completely wrong and read way too much into the whole thing, but man, I just can't not bring it all up since it's really nagging at me more than anything else really.
Btw... Lethal as scum would also be quite feasible. Sky and Poyser jumping on Lethal, after Jean already went there earlier, just to jump off again... that could be used as well afterwards.
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I'm sorry about this long ass post, but I wanted to put everything into one instead of splattering it all over possibly multiple pages.
