Stupidity

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

K, being a thread in the TNA section this could relate to many, many things. What this does relate to though is the releases of late and the use of Christopher Daniels as Suicide.

TNA's reason for releasing Petey Williams and Jimmy Rave is that the midcard was stale and they wanted to freshen it up using new feuds. This is all kinds of stupid as they an easy role for Petey continued against the Main Event Mafia if they wanted, while Rave had never had a proper feud, so there were endless options for him. So their releases are of course, stupid.

What makes them even stupider is that one of them could have easily been Suicide and that they could have thus utilised Daniels. I understand Petey is a bit small, but Rave looks about the right height. What would have been wrong with giving Rave the role and actually letting Daniels be thge kickass wrestlers he's meant to be (since they obviously weren't going to let Rave be the kickass wrestler he's meant to be anyway)? Some of this stuff with TNA really pisses me off.

So, thoughts?

 

[Christian 2.0]

You're right about Daniels. Bring him back already and let him challenge Angle or Sting or anybody! He's way to good to waste as a video game character.

Jimmy Rave sucks. That's my opinion and mine alone. I don't like him. I've never seen a singles match with him that I enjoyed.

Letting Petey go is crazy. It makes you wonder if he pissed off Kevin Nash or Dixie Carter. He's small but capable of putting on realistic matches with larger opponents. TNA is losing ground...the end.

 

[Axis]

Oh God, it really hurts me that you just said Jimmy Rave sucks

He's an EXCELLENT chickenshit/huge prick heel. I can recommend some of his ROH stuff if you're interested, Christian.

 

[LadyHotrod]

It's TNA, of course it's stupid.

:shifty:


I completely agree with you, though. It was a stupid move and they just lost some good talent. Daniels can do so much more and they decide to instead let him continue as Suicide, a role that pretty much anyone can do. Get any guy that height, throw the costume on and you've got yet another Suicide. It's not that difficult.

 

[EnterTamed]

the daniels thing as suicide makes PERFECT sense, he was fired in kayfabe, so he dresses up as suicide, wins the title at destination x in ultimate x , revealing himself, there for giving the company no choice but to keep him as they cant fire the champion

 

[Great One]

If he is to reveal himself to be Daniels eventually, I guess it wouldn't be bad. Just the character of Christopher Daniels needs to return though, I agree.

 

[WarMachine]

the daniels thing as suicide makes PERFECT sense, he was fired in kayfabe, so he dresses up as suicide, wins the title at destination x in ultimate x , revealing himself, there for giving the company no choice but to keep him as they cant fire the champion

If that happens then the move to make is suicide isn't bad but yes I agree with everyone letting go of Petey is just moronic and Jimmy Rave is a good worker there are plenty on TNA wrestlers that should have gone before them.

 

[LadyHotrod]

the daniels thing as suicide makes PERFECT sense, he was fired in kayfabe, so he dresses up as suicide, wins the title at destination x in ultimate x , revealing himself, there for giving the company no choice but to keep him as they cant fire the champion

Yeah but that's IF they decide to go in that direction. It will be a waste if they don't.

 

[chessarmy]

I have lost all faith in the TNA creative team. I fully believe that Daniels is NEVER coming back. Its too late now, he's been gone for so long. Daniels will continue to play Suicide and once Kaz comes back, expect the Fallen Angel to get released.

Its the truth

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

the daniels thing as suicide makes PERFECT sense, he was fired in kayfabe, so he dresses up as suicide, wins the title at destination x in ultimate x , revealing himself, there for giving the company no choice but to keep him as they cant fire the champion

That's good and all, except that's what everybody was saying once his Curryman run started.

 

[Montana]

I disagree.

Keep your panties on, and let TNA handle their business. Chistopher Daniels will return and all of you will get to blow your load watch him, or whatever their is some infacuation with him. Don't you think TNA Is holding him off tv, so the demand for his return is higher???


Then later this year TNA will pick up (get this) "BETTER" talent than Petey/Sonjay. I would be very surprised if TNA doesn't raid ROH again. Any less than 2 wrestlers.


So in reality, i think this thread is stupid.

 

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

I disagree.

Keep your panties on, and let TNA handle their business. Chistopher Daniels will return and all of you will get to blow your load watch him, or whatever their is some infacuation with him. Don't you think TNA Is holding him off tv, so the demand for his return is higher???


Then later this year TNA will pick up (get this) "BETTER" talent than Petey/Sonjay. I would be very surprised if TNA doesn't raid ROH again. Any less than 2 wrestlers.


So in reality, i think this thread is stupid.

While I have no problem with you saying that Petey isn't good, Sonjay wasn't the other name mentioned, because he sucks a fat one. Jimmy Rave was, and he is quite Godly. There aren't too many wrestlers who I think would come to TNA from ROH who are better than Rave.

As much as TNA seems like a step up, is it really? Most of TNA gets paid on an appearance basis, and the midcard doesn't actually get featured that much at all. Foley/MEM takes up all the airtime, meaning the undercarders aren't getting paid. Do you really think Danielson, McGuinness and The Brsicoes are stupid enoguh to go somewhere where they'll barely get to wrestle and may also drop down in pay? I seriously doubt it.

Working in ROH and Japan would probably make you a fair bit more money than working in the undercard for TNA.

EDIT: As for it making us want Daniels more, I think you've actually missed something here as far as a return for Daniels goes. He should have returned whern the Frontline were going against the MEM. It would have made perfect sense. Now his return will be nowhere near as significant, as the war is over just about, with it instead turning into Sting vs Angle.

Now that they've missed the perfect chance to get him back, they need to just bring him back as soon as possible. They're only shooting themselves in the feet by not doing so. Daniels isn't going to equal buyrates. Instead he's going to givbe the fans something more to enjoy as he works the upper midcard. Holding him off does nothing for TNA, but it does cost them opportunities to use him. It's flat out stupid.

 

[Montana]

I never said Petey/Sonjay weren't good. I just think they can improve their roster by freshing it up. (with ROH talent)


- I don't think anyone here knows exactly what ROH pays its wrestlers, but if i had a guess, on the average TNA wrestlers make close to double if not more. Plus it makes you a TV star, rather than a dvd star.

- And you have no proof Christopher Daniels cannot still return to help out the MEM. As i've said NUMEROUS times, they are prolonging the MEM/Frontline fued as long as possible. With Daniels returning 2 months ago, it would have given the Frontline the advantage and the fued would have been done it. This hasn't happened yet, but I can see the logic behind why they might hold off on daniels returning.

 

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

I never said Petey/Sonjay weren't good. I just think they can improve their roster by freshing it up. (with ROH talent)


- I don't think anyone here knows exactly what ROH pays its wrestlers, but if i had a guess, on the average TNA wrestlers make close to double if not more. Plus it makes you a TV star, rather than a dvd star.

- And you have no proof Christopher Daniels cannot still return to help out the MEM. As i've said NUMEROUS times, they are prolonging the MEM/Frontline fued as long as possible. With Daniels returning 2 months ago, it would have given the Frontline the advantage and the fued would have been done it. This hasn't happened yet, but I can see the logic behind why they might hold off on daniels returning.

Sonjay isn't good, imo.


As far as they pay foes, opening TNA wrestlers get paid $300 per appearance. I'm quite sure you could make a lot more money in Japan, while also working a consitant workload, which is not guaranteed in TNA.

The MEM have weakened themselves. The Frontline's win is now tarnished if the feud continues. They had to wait for the MEM to selfdestruct, rather than beating them themselves. if Daniels had come back and they had gone on to win it with him and without the stupidicy, I would have been happy.

 

[Double J]

TNA is just killing themselves the same way WCW did.

Actually I didn't know Rave was let go aswell, I just thought it was Hoyt/Rock. Either way TNA was great because it had great guys that were new and fresh and a few older wrestlers to help along. Now the main eventers are the guys from WWE and WCW while the younger guys who helped make that company are getting let go and/or just not being used to their full extent.

The only two original guys that are really getting a run is Rhoode and Storm. One thing that really helped push TNA was the Ultimate X Division, but surprise they're letting go of all their Ultimate X guys AND the belt is just sitting on Alex Shelly as a place holder.

The problem is for guys like Petey and Sonjay and Rave is that they're pretty much done now. WWE may pick a few of them up, but just like Matt Bently they either wont make it out of FCW or they'll get to ECW and then get released. All they can do now is go to ROH, Japan, or indy shows.

As far as Daniels goes, it would be best for him to win the X-Title and then take off his mask, but last I heard they plan on putting Kaz back in the suit as soon as he heals. I don't believe though that Daniels will ever really be fired from TNA and that the only way he'd loose his job is if he left. Daniels is like AJ Styles and Samoa Joe, he's been there long enough and have enough fan base to management want to keep him around.

Now to Frontline. Even though Tenay and West continue to talk about Frontline and how it's strong again since Joe and Styles are back it really is no more. AJ Styles, Joe, and Eric Young is all that's left. Petey is gone, The Machine Guns are tweeners now, Lethal and Creed are fighting the Guns and not worried about the MEM, not sure what Team 3D and Rhyno are doing and I don't really count ODB.

The best thing they could do is scrap the Suicide gimmick and make Frontline AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Kaz, and Eric Young. It would make the most sense since they are younger guys that helped start TNA, which is what it was suppose to be the entire time. Never understood why they decided to add Team 3D and Rhyno to the group.

I really like/liked TNA and I'm going to hate to see them fall by doing the same mistakes that WCW did. You look at some of the bigger, most well known WWF/E stars and most of them started in WCW but weren't given the chance. If TNA would just use their younger guys to their full potential they wouldn't have to have nothing but vet wresters in the main events.