Everybody agrees, TNA's Booking = Suck.

[The Rated R CMStar]

Yes, that maybe the way that the storyline started, yes I thought that's how the storyline was suppose to be, but that's been changed. You can see that, I can see that, everyone who watches TNA can see that, but they still go on saying "TNA sucks, this feud was suppose to put Styles and Joe or the young guys over". THE STORYLINE HAS BEEN CHANGED. The storyline could have been tweeked, Joe and Styles could still come out on top.

That's basically what I am saying. Why the hell was it tweaked? To give Rhino and Team 3D something to do? Or to have MEM instead of destroying only the rookies now they destory everybody. I know the storyline has changed, but it shouldn't have been.

And yeah, AJ and Joe could end up on top...after being completely dominated for months and months by Kurt Angle and Sting.

They needed Rhino and Team 3D to help? They didn't do anything. MEM is still dominating. Rhino had his title shot, I don't even think since then he's been involved with the mafia. Team 3D had their title shot again, I don't think they've been involved with the mafia, besides the promo they cut before the empty arena match. Lethal, Creed, ODB, Eric Young, Sabin, Shelly, Foley, who ever else was in this, they all seemed to of just drifted away. This is now Aj and Joe vs the MEM.

And I think this would benefit more than just Kurt and Sting, cause Joe and AJ are going to (maybe) come out on top. They did what a group of guys couldn't do. That seems like a benefit to me.

When the war was fully on, MEM vs Frontline, both stables on their full potential...MEM swept The Frontline. Rhino comes in and tries to help...Frontline fails again as you said. Team 3D comes in...they fail.

IF, Joe and AJ come out on top,and that's a big IF, it won't be because they prove they are better, but because they were lucky enough that the MEM self imploded and they picked up the pieces.

My only assumption to this is in order for them to not make this storyline stale, and for it to progress longer, they had to switch things up. I didn't like it, I thought it was dumb, but that's the only reason I see why they would do this

Which goes back to the title of this thread.

 

[This Guy]

With that logic, you might as well say that everyone in WWE who isn't holding the WWE title or World heavy weight title but are champs are jobbers. Punk is the IC champ, only time he wins is when it's a title defense, hell he was even a jobber when he was World Heavy Weight champ. Swagger was undefeated before he won the ECW title, now he's losing left and right. Carlito and Primo lose most of the time, unless it's a title defense as well.

No I wouldn't quite go that far. Morrision and Miz are winning a lot. Melina is winning a lot. Maryse is winning a lot and more then when they defend the belt. I wouldn't go quite that far with Swagger, its only been 3 weeks. But Carlito & Primo I would agree because its getting rediculous just as Shelton has. And I would also agree they made Punk look weak which is why no gave a shit about his World Title run. A Champion needs to be booked stong.....losing all the time even as a heel isn't strong.

 

[Montana]

Lol at this thread, funniest thing(s) said. "(insert heel champ here) is a jobber because he only wins when he's defending the belt." Yeah no shit, that's what HEEL champions usually do.

Tbh, I think TNA is fine from what I've seen. They have the somewhat of the same problems the WWE do nowadays, with the cheesy ass segments. Like Kurt Angle grabbing a picture of Sting and breaks it, while Don West calling it like a match "OMG HES GOT THE PICTURE HES GOT IT OMG AND HE BREAKS IT! HE BREAKS IT!" it's so fucking stupid I have to laugh, lawl. I like how Joe/AJ are facing the next tier guys of MEM at the PPV in which they'll probably both win, so stop QQing bitches. Kurt/Sting are the biggest known names, so obviously the PPV will turn ot them to main event, with Kurt most likely winning. I also think they could be waiting for Daniels to come back, as I've always wondered why he wasn't part of Joe/AJ... those three were THE guys that came to your mind with TNA, thus he should DEFINITELY be with them.

Does anyone know what Paul Heyman is even doing? It would be cool if he got a job with TNA. And if Burke and London signed with TNA that would definitely interest me more to watch. Also, Petey Williams was fine on the mic, and lol at the thought of Jay Lethal main eventing with his fucking Macho Man gimmick, sad. I wish AJ would go back to the more bad ass and truly "phenominal" type face he use to play in 05, etc. Where he was just booked as amazing and didn't talk much, that was much better.

THat's pretty much how i feel. I was just trying to say, TNA is doing some things right by looking at the positives rather than point out minor details.


Montana, there are a couple flaws I see.

You said Lethal & Creed have already been champs....so what? It was for like what, 3 days? And now there completely out of the title scene. People loved the way they won the belts. They should have retained and at least kept the belts for at least 2 weeks or longer.

That was in response to CMS saying nobody cared about them, i was simply replying with the fact they've already won the belts. YES, it was a upset, and they lost the belts a few days later. I have to disagree with you about them holding the belts for a few weeks, because it was one of the first times Lethal Consquences was teaming. So it looked like a legit upset. So now, TNA realized Lethal Consquences has some potential and is now building them up as a tag team.

The X-Division title has become as degrated as the US./IC & Crusierweight Titles. No one gave a shit about the Cruiserweight division as it was coming to an end and people don't really care about the X-Division anymore.

This is a double standard here. Your saying the X-division belts degraded much like US/IC belts. I personally think all these belts go in waves. Maybe just maybe I'd rather see a X division championship match on a PPV rather than a IC/US championship match on a ppv. OH WAIT. the IC/US belts don't even get defended on PPV. So do i think the X-divison belt has lost a little steam, Yes, but i think it's working it's way back up. At least the belt is defended on PPV's and such.

 

[JurassicBonez]

No I wouldn't quite go that far. Morrision and Miz are winning a lot. Melina is winning a lot. Maryse is winning a lot and more then when they defend the belt. I wouldn't go quite that far with Swagger, its only been 3 weeks. But Carlito & Primo I would agree because its getting rediculous just as Shelton has. And I would also agree they made Punk look weak which is why no gave a shit about his World Title run. A Champion needs to be booked stong.....losing all the time even as a heel isn't strong.

Maryse is injured and from what I read, her last match she had all she did was a kick and a slap and that's it. From what I remember, that's been her only match since winning the title. Melina has a balanced out win/loss record since being champ. And yes Miz and Morrison have been winning a lot, that's why I didn't say them. But as for the rest, Swagger has had a match every week since winning the title, and even one on SD after he won it in a tag match in which he was pinned, and every other match that wasn't a title match. Shelton loses a lot unless it's a title match, Punk loses unless it's a title match (in both World and IC reigns) and Carlito and Primo. I'd even add Jeff as he only one what 1 match when he was WWE champ? So besides the World Heavy weight and WWE title, WWE has 6 titles, one of those champs has a good win record, one of them has an even win/loss record, one of them is injured, the other 3 lose most, but win during title matches (and one of them was a World Heavy weight jobber), so if your saying Shelly is a jobber, I don't see why WWE's other champs (the one's I mentioned) aren't jobbers as well.

I don't think champs should always win, they shouldn't always lose, but I agree that there should be a balance in there win/loss record. There champs should look strong.

That's basically what I am saying. Why the hell was it tweaked? To give Rhino and Team 3D something to do? Or to have MEM instead of destroying only the rookies now they destory everybody. I know the storyline has changed, but it shouldn't have been.

And yeah, AJ and Joe could end up on top...after being completely dominated for months and months by Kurt Angle and Sting.

I don't know why it was tweaked, they wanted it to go longer, they saw a different direction and wanted to run with it, I duno. And when/if AJ and Joe come out on top, it will have a Cinderella like story to it (maybe not Cinderella but a fairy tale).

"...the war between the Front Line and MEM has been going on for several months. The Front Line couldn't do it alone, so they get help from some Vets (Rhino, 3-D,Foley). Even with the help from them, they still couldn't come out on top. They suffered many casulties, lost many men, most of the Front Line branch off to other things.

Just when it seems the MEM has won the war, out from the shadows, two of TNA's originals (who we thought were out) emerge to continue the fight alone."

The rest is up in the air as I don't know what's going to happen next. But that sounds like a good story to me. It's like the Jeff storyline, he was going after the WWE title for a year, went through hard ships of getting suspended, losing his house, losing his dog, going through hell, but he eventually got it after 13 months, he achieved the goal.

When the war was fully on, MEM vs Frontline, both stables on their full potential...MEM swept The Frontline. Rhino comes in and tries to help...Frontline fails again as you said. Team 3D comes in...they fail.

IF, Joe and AJ come out on top,and that's a big IF, it won't be because they prove they are better, but because they were lucky enough that the MEM self imploded and they picked up the pieces.

I'll use the example I said above with Jeff, you saying that is like saying he didn't prove he was better and that he diserved the WWE title, he was just in the right place at the right time on the top rope to hit the flip (I forget what his move is called). When somebody is in a multi every man for hiself match, and they win, they are in the right place at the right time. Almost all of Edge's title reigns are right place right time, he knew when to strike. Randy Orton knew what to do at the end of the Rumble, he waited and he struck when Triple H had his guard down, that's what Aj and Joe are doing.

I'm not saying it's the best way for the storyline to go, but I don't see how it wouldn't prove they are better. As I see it's proves they are better and smarter. Before they kept failing cause they toke the Mafia on as a whole. Now they see that they have to start from the bottom and work their way up, not take them on as a whole but take them apart piece by piece. They are starting with Booker and Stiener, next will be Nash (if he heels in time) and then the higher ups. And beside, isn't that what the Mafia did to become dominant. Isolate them and take them out. How would the same thing that made MEM dominant and proved they were the best, not do the same for AJ and Joe? And with AJ and Joe it's only 2 of them where the Mafia had 5?

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

I'll use the example I said above with Jeff, you saying that is like saying he didn't prove he was better and that he diserved the WWE title, he was just in the right place at the right time on the top rope to hit the flip (I forget what his move is called). When somebody is in a multi every man for hiself match, and they win, they are in the right place at the right time. Almost all of Edge's title reigns are right place right time, he knew when to strike. Randy Orton knew what to do at the end of the Rumble, he waited and he struck when Triple H had his guard down, that's what Aj and Joe are doing.

First, it isn't anything good when you compare two top faces when two top heels.

As for your Jeff analogy, it's not the same to lose your matches by one second, then in the night you could have won get knocked out of the match to then finally win it...than losing pronouncely all your matches in a PPV and then get knocked out of the main event in favor of two washed up veterans.

You keep saying it was to stretch the storyline...look what they are doing wit it, 2 months later they are already booking tension and the MEM about to separate.

"...the war between the Front Line and MEM has been going on for several months. The Front Line couldn't do it alone, so they get help from some Vets (Rhino, 3-D,Foley). Even with the help from them, they still couldn't come out on top. They suffered many casulties, lost many men, most of the Front Line branch off to other things.

Just when it seems the MEM has won the war, out from the shadows, two of TNA's originals (who we thought were out) emerge to continue the fight alone."

You sounded like a TNA writer, not an actual fan.

By saying that, you are ignoring the big fact that the only reason the Frontline has a chance is because they have management on their side and the MEM is falling apart. That is far from a fairy tale. They could only win because their enemies were weakened.

I'm not saying it's the best way for the storyline to go, but I don't see how it wouldn't prove they are better. As I see it's proves they are better and smarter. Before they kept failing cause they toke the Mafia on as a whole. Now they see that they have to start from the bottom and work their way up, not take them on as a whole but take them apart piece by piece. They are starting with Booker and Stiener, next will be Nash (if he heels in time) and then the higher ups. And beside, isn't that what the Mafia did to become dominant. Isolate them and take them out. How would the same thing that made MEM dominant and proved they were the best, not do the same for AJ and Joe? And with AJ and Joe it's only 2 of them where the Mafia had 5?

They have never gone everyone against everyone as you say. It was Sting vs AJ, Booker vs Cage and Joe vs Nash when it began, and they all lost. At any point the Frontline has done what you say, go after the whole Mafia. They have always have an only target, and they have failed to win.

Just the fact that AJ and Joe left the war to Team 3D and Rhino says a lot about the stupidity of the storyline. No, not even the main event spots if you don't want to mention them, but the war itself.



Every scenario you give puts AJ and Joe taking advantage of all the circunstances and that way getting the win. How in any form that puts them over? Yeah, Joe might beat Sting, but the importance of it has already washed away. Yes, Joe might get revenge on Nash, but does anybody cares at this point? When people cared, Nash beat him. When people wanted to see AJ win, Sting won. I'll say it again, when both teams where at their best, MEM swept the Frontline.


And don't even get me started on the roots and seeds of this feud..."the respect thing", because with it, things get even dumber and contradictory.