TNA sucks

[Montana]

Yeah, he was out for like a month and didn't do anything with Steiner or related to him for months.

Cause he was X-division champ, and was off TV for a month. Steiner/Petey were still a duo, just they werent tagging as much bc Petey had the X-divison belt.

I read that write up, and that didn't make much sense to me. It was poorly written and confusing.

-Samoa Joe targetting Scott Steiner when he still has a beef with Kevin Nash

- Kevin Nash is injuried.


- AJ Styles not having a PPV match (first time since Victory Road 2004)

Less is more. Does Cena, HBK, HHH, Orton, Jericho wrestle every PPV? So AJ gets to take a PPV off. Why whore him out.

- The Frontline leaders being Rhino and Team 3D.

- No, AJ and Samoa Joe are still leaders. The reason Rhino/3D were in that role is to prolong the fued. You theres only so many combinations of AJ/Joe/Sting/Angle you can do. Rhino/3D did the job. Why would veterns be in the Frontline?? Well, they are from ECW, and know about the struggle the frontline is going through.

- The horrible tension they tried to make between Sting and Kurt Angle

- Actually I like the tension. Why is horrible again? I thought it added a interesting dimension to Angle vs. Sting vs 3D...plus it makes sense BC Sting has pretty much always been a face. They stand for the same ideas, however you can see their difference in how to get respect from the younger wrestlers.

- Shane Sewell & Shane Sewell challenging for THE LEGEND'S CHAMPIONSHIP

- I got nothing. Goes back to my theory of bad storylines are better than no storylines. The storyline makes sense, HOWEVER they shouldn't have put Sewell in that position. What i think the reasoning should/could be...The Legends get a "legend" referee to help them by bullying the refs around. Surely something that isn't PPV worthy, BUT again its a storyline.

- Daivari getting pushed to the moon and then not even appearing on TV

- The reason he hasn't appeared on tv is because he suffered a humiliating defeated to Shane Sewell at the last PPV 4 weeks ago. I think he had been on tv too, but with a reduced role. I want to say it was a 4 way for the X-division title.

- Brutus Magnus

Kozlov? The guy has had two matches...a little early to judge? He doesn't look all that overall. Good size, good mic skills, good technical background, but doesn't fit as well with the american style yet.

- Sting being in a heel stable and never acting as a heel (it makes sense now with his tension with Angle, but not before when they gangbeating Joe and AJ)

- Sting generally didn't take place in those beatdowns, thus where the tension stemed from.

- Jeremy Borash getting more mic time than some midcarders

He's the ring announcer, what do you expect.

- The whoring of Mick Foley (and I thought WWE was the one using him bad)

- He's basically the GM. How are they whoring him..they are using him to bring in ratings. He's only had one match.

- TNA constantly mentioning WWE in its promos

- And? Anyone who watches TNA has heard of WWE, so whats the big deal. People watch TNA because its different.

-Allowing Mike Tenay and Don West to invade our ears on a weekly basis.

Storyline??? So TNA should fire people unjustly?

-Having Booker being the first person to hold the LEGENDS championship

Booker T has been in the business 20 years, and held over 30 championship in the WWE/WCW. Are you trying to tell me he's NOT a legend??? This is the best you can come up with??

-Taking one of their top young stars and cloning him after Scott Steiner

- So helping give Petey Williams a character and a vetern to help get him over is a bad thing? I certainly wouldn't call Petey Williams the "TOP young star" Again...he's good in the ring, but no character.

-BLACK MACHISMO

Jay Lethal is not a storyline....its a character. Again, in an attempt to give some of their wrestlers a personality, he's gave him this one. The fan's reacted positive, so you have the TNA fans to blame for this one.

-CURRY MAN

Again, not a storyline...and not even on the current roster.

-SHARK BOY

- Has wrestled like 2 matches in the past 3 months. Heaven forbid their be a JOBBER on the TNA roster.

-RAIEESHA

- You don't like MANAGERS?

-THE KONGTOURAGE

- You don't like FACTIONS?

^^^Those last 5 should be evidence enough.

No, you've proved nothing. Your naming character you don't like, and yet most are JOBBERS. Just about every organization has silly jobbers.

Out of about 20 things mentioned to me, the only storyline that doesnt make sense is the Shane Sewell / Booker T fued, and I posted where i think it may be leading.

To say you don't like something is one thing, but to say it doesn't make sense is another. I think i explained logically what i thought on those issues.

 

[JurassicBonez]

Samoa Joe targetting Scott Steiner when he still has a beef with Kevin Nash

I'm pretty sure that is because Nash isn't cleared to wrestle yet.

The horrible tension they tried to make between Sting and Kurt Angle

I don't think it was that horrible. And it helped it seem like somebody from Team 3D had a chance of winning the belt at AAO.

Shane Sewell

I thought they were doing good with the transition of ref to wrestler

Brutus Magnus

Weren't you the same one I was debatting with a few month ago about Vansen and me "shitting on guys too soon before seeing what they have" or something like that (Hade Venson). That's kinda ironic seeing as though Magnus has only had two matches.

-Having Booker being the first person to hold the LEGENDS championship

Who else should have the belt? Sting? Steiner? Nash?

BLACK MACHISMO

-CURRY MAN

-SHARK BOY

For comedy, although it has ran it's course.

THE KONGTOURAGE

How's that so bad? It's smart actually when you think about it. Would you rather be with Kong or agasint her? They choose the smart route.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

I'm pretty sure that is because Nash isn't cleared to wrestle yet.

And? Samoa Joe is a badass (his character), so I don't think he should be merciful to the man who betrayed him and cost him his championship just because out of kayfabe he isn't cleared to wrestle. Joe hasn't even confronted Nash.

I don't think it was that horrible. And it helped it seem like somebody from Team 3D had a chance of winning the belt at AAO

You can seriously sit there and post that for a minute you thought any member of Team 3D was walking out as champion. I'm sorry, but that's utter lying.

I thought they were doing good with the transition of ref to wrestler

He was fired as a referee for attacking wrestlers...and rehired as a wrestler? But stupidity doesn't end there, because after that...wait for it...he's a referee again.

Weren't you the same one I was debatting with a few month ago about Vansen and me "shitting on guys too soon before seeing what they have" or something like that (Hade Venson). That's kinda ironic seeing as though Magnus has only had two matches

You were shitting a guy only on his vignettes, in which we had not even seen his character completely. Not only did we se brutus character, but two matches is enough to judge.

Who else should have the belt? Sting? Steiner? Nash?

The belt shouldn't even exist on the same place, but since you mention it, all Nash, Sting and Steiner are more "legendary" than Booker T. But hey, I mean, ERIC YOUNG, SHANE SEWELL AND CHRISTIAN CAGE all challenged for the belt. Yeah, all of them scream legend.

For comedy, although it has ran it's course.

For comedy? Jay Lethal was pushed to the moon with that gimmick, you know, until out of nowhere he got depushed. And let's not forget that that abomination of the League Justice or something like that were getting a lot of TV time a few months ago.

 

[Montana]

free feel to respond to my answers....They aren't too far off from bonez.

Plus didnt Joe get his revenge on Nash on Dec 18th edition of Impact in 6 sides of steel tag match ? How much Nash/Joe do you want?

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

I already answered the Kevin Nash deal. Samoa Joe shouldn't care that he's injured. He's supposed to be a badass, so Nash injured or not, Joe should be going after him. I am not asking for a match between the two, but I am asking for Joe to target Nash, and Kevin to chicken out because he is injured. Joe going after Steiner makes no sense.

Less is more. Does Cena, HBK, HHH, Orton, Jericho wrestle every PPV? So AJ gets to take a PPV off. Why whore him out.

In 2008, Jericho didn't wrestle in 2 PPVs. HBK as well. The rest, when active, have wrestle on every PPV.

No, AJ and Samoa Joe are still leaders. The reason Rhino/3D were in that role is to prolong the fued. You theres only so many combinations of AJ/Joe/Sting/Angle you can do. Rhino/3D did the job. Why would veterns be in the Frontline?? Well, they are from ECW, and know about the struggle the frontline is going through.

Rhino and Team 3D have been portrayed as the leaders. For whatever reason it is, they have been portrayed as the leaders.

Besides, do you remember from where this feud steemed from? It wasn't because of The Frontline struggling, it all started as Young Lions vs Old School, in which the Old School was refusing to let the main event spots for the younger guys.

Actually I like the tension. Why is horrible again? I thought it added a interesting dimension to Angle vs. Sting vs 3D...plus it makes sense BC Sting has pretty much always been a face. They stand for the same ideas, however you can see their difference in how to get respect from the younger wrestlers.

I don't disaprove the presence of the tension, but how it was presented. Last night promos were ridiculous.

The reason he hasn't appeared on tv is because he suffered a humiliating defeated to Shane Sewell at the last PPV 4 weeks ago

If anything, if that's the case, then he should be going after Sewell, not staying at home.

Kozlov? The guy has had two matches...a little early to judge? He doesn't look all that overall. Good size, good mic skills, good technical background, but doesn't fit as well with the american style yet.

Good mic skills? No

Good size? No. His presence, despite his size, isn't that of a big man.

Besides, the fact that he struggles to defeat Chris Sabin and Sharkboy and he asks for better competition is idiotic.

And I'm sorry, but with Kozlov, since the very beginning I have been saying how much he sucks. My opinion hasn't changed.

He's the ring announcer, what do you expect

I don't see Justin Roberts getting the same amount of mic time.

He's basically the GM. How are they whoring him..they are using him to bring in ratings. He's only had one match.

Seriously...Foley is going to present the belt to the winner? Where did all the Foley/Frontline backstage segments lead? Where did Foley/Shelley went? Foley has been all over the place.

And? Anyone who watches TNA has heard of WWE, so whats the big deal. People watch TNA because its different.

First off, TNA is not different from WWE. Not as much as to claim that is one of the reason people watch them.

And secondly, TNA's goal is to set themself apart from WWE, and constantly mentioning them (and even at some points putting them over with their comments) isn't helping.

Booker T has been in the business 20 years, and held over 30 championship in the WWE/WCW. Are you trying to tell me he's NOT a legend??? This is the best you can come up with??

I am sorry, but he isn't.

 

[Montana]

Agree to disagree. We can argrue these points all night. Not to get the last word in, but heres my comments to your responses.

- Nash isn't active at the moment, he's a part time wrestler, and has taken time off. I don't have a problem with a wrestler taking care of his health. To fault TNA for not putting him on TV, and Joe going after him, is a little heartless.

- 3D/Rhyno Mentors/Leaders... is the glass half full, or full empty. Just because they got title shots don't mean their the leaders, i think they are more in a mentor vetern role.

-Divari/Sewell....How much Divari/Sewell can you handle

- Brutus...i wouldn't say he really struggled with either guy...he beat both of them in 5 minutes...it just wasn't a one sided squash. I'm not sold on the guy yet either, however I want to see where TNA goes with this. TNA doesn't bring in many new faces, and i think thats what they need to do. I certainly don't think he's as bad as your making him out to be.

- Good points about Foley.

- Booker T not a legend?!?!?! Do you need to retire for 5-10 years to be considered a legend? The guy has seriously won 30+ championships in wcw/wwf. People consider guys like Jake and Snake, Rick Martel, Junk Yard Dog Legends....Look how much more Booker T has accomplished. I may have had this conversation with you in the past, but basically it comes down to how do you define a legend. He's going to be in the hall of fame one day. I'm not sure what more he needs to do to become a legend.

 

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

Based off chessy's new avy/sig, I figure he's finally worked out that Joe is fat. :shifty:

 

[Hometown Kid]

I pretty much agree with everything Montana said here. To be fair TNA isn't perfect or anything, it's just people jump on them WAY too much. Although they shouldn't try to be WWE jr. or anything because that won't work in the long run. But TNA and WWE are about on the same level as far as quality of the product goes. It would be worse if the company their up against was blazing trails and putting on epic shows but as I said they make a lot of the same mistakes, and WWE does some things better and TNA does some things better, it's even keel in my opinion.

Also to Chess, seriously they haven't changed their product a whole lot the past few months, why do you now suddenly hate TNA? :eh:

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Hometown Kid, I will not even address the fact that you compared WWE's current product with TNA's.


As for Monty...

Nash isn't active at the moment, he's a part time wrestler, and has taken time off. I don't have a problem with a wrestler taking care of his health. To fault TNA for not putting him on TV, and Joe going after him, is a little heartless.

That's in real life. In TV, all I see is Samoa Joe not going after the man who cost him his title, betrayed him, defeat him taking away his honor by cheating and has called him a bitch since then...just because he might be injured (I know in real life he is, but in kayfabe Samoa Joe could easily be pondering as if the injury is real or not).

3D/Rhyno Mentors/Leaders... is the glass half full, or full empty. Just because they got title shots don't mean their the leaders, i think they are more in a mentor vetern role

The thing is, this feud was all about young vs old, almost TNA Originals vs The Newcomers. Besides, I find the fact that AJ Styles and Samoa Joe were basically arguing with the veterans about them getting all the title shots and main event slots and then just because Team 3D and Rhino were nice to them, then they have no problem with Rhino and Team 3D getting the title matches.

I understand where you're coming with the mentor role, however, the feud was deviced to set AJ and Samoa Joe on the same level of Sting, Kurt Angle, etc..., and all what this feud has established is that the rookies in fact lacked the respect the MEM was talking about, that the young lions can't get the job done by themselves (read all of them getting defeat at FR) and that they need, sorry for this but it's the true, has beens, past their primes wrestlers to reach their goal.

Brutus...i wouldn't say he really struggled with either guy...he beat both of them in 5 minutes...it just wasn't a one sided squash. I'm not sold on the guy yet either, however I want to see where TNA goes with this. TNA doesn't bring in many new faces, and i think thats what they need to do. I certainly don't think he's as bad as your making him out to be.

I don't know, but I wouldn't be asking for better competition if Sharkboy got offense on me. Even if I disliked the guy, they should had gone for a Kozlov like push, in which he completely destroys his opponents and then asks for better competition, not letting Sharkboy and Sabin get offense and then act like a big shot.

Booker T not a legend?!?!?! Do you need to retire for 5-10 years to be considered a legend? The guy has seriously won 30+ championships in wcw/wwf. People consider guys like Jake and Snake, Rick Martel, Junk Yard Dog Legends....Look how much more Booker T has accomplished. I may have had this conversation with you in the past, but basically it comes down to how do you define a legend. He's going to be in the hall of fame one day. I'm not sure what more he needs to do to become a legend

I agree with you on the fact that it depends on how you define legend.

Personally, none of the names you mentioned I see them as legends.

As for Booker T, I don't know, he's certainly a big name, but I have a hard time putting him next to the wrestlers considered truly considered legends. Besides, I have to wonder, if Booker T were to retire today, how many people will remember him in 20 years?

 

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

CMS is a poor man's Kaedon, tbh.

 

[Kizza]

TNA puts on the greatest wrestling storylines ever. I mean, taking a game character and making him real. Ingenious. Copying storylines from WCW. Absolute brilliance.

Plus the high quality wrestling of Kip > A Bryan Danielson match. Shits all over him.

 

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

TNA puts on the greatest wrestling storylines ever. I mean, taking a game character and making him real. Ingenious. Copying storylines from WCW. Absolute brilliance.

Don't forget the original Abyss/James Mitchell storyline. Had me on the edge of my seat.

 

[Kizza]

Sorry, I can't believe how that brilliance slipped my mind.

Lets also not forget Big Poppa Pump & Little Petey Pump.

 

[Airfixx]

Someone hacked Chess's account, yo!

 

[Axis]

TNA is actually one of the better reality shows on right now.