Do You Think They Get It?

[CT Styles]

Well let's be honest. Everyone here picks apart the WWE & TNA booking teams/creative department. Everyone makes it seem so simple i.e. 'Simply turn him face!', 'Him feud with him!'. We make ourselves seem so much superior to the creative departments and writers as if they're so stupid for not doing something. So do you think that they are just not capable of seeing all of these potential 'classic' story lines? Do you think they refuse to do it because they want to save it if they somehow get an opponent? Do you think they just don't want to do it? Everyone here seems to think that TNA in particular is pathetic booking-wise. So, do you think they get it? What do you think the reason is that it's so bad?

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

As for TNA, I really think that's just how Jeff Jarret watches wrestling. He likes it that way, so he books it that way. Why do you think Cornette has been kept away from creative? Because he has different ideas than Jarret. So in his mind, it doesnt suck. In his mind Jarret is booking what he sees correct.


In WWE is practically the same. The writters have brilliant ideas. Michael Hayes in particular is a damn genius, and I bet there are a lot more writers who are even greater than him, however, at the end of the day, it is Vince Mcmahon and Stephanie Mcmahon who rule, so if something doesnt fly to them.

Do you seriously think creative hasn't thought of HBK vs Taker at Mania? Or that MVP will be a great main eventer, or that they needed a real shake off on the draft this year?


However, I will say this, we know shit. Weren't we the ones who said that TNA needed to give the belt to Samoa Joe? We saw how that turn out. We know nothing, and more often than not the little scenarios we book on our minds, we would be the first ones to turn against them if book on real life.


And as for saving dream matches, well, I actually prefer WWE to save them, instead of just throwing them away. In 2008, in minor PPVs, exceptuating Summerslam, WWE gave us Batista vs HBK, Cena vs Batista, Batista vs Orton and HHH vs Edge, and in most of the cases it was just a thrown away match as no feud continued directly after it.

 

[Airfixx]

Well let's be honest. Everyone here picks apart the WWE & TNA booking teams/creative department. Everyone makes it seem so simple i.e. 'Simply turn him face!', 'Him feud with him!'. We make ourselves seem so much superior to the creative departments and writers....

Some peeps may think they are, but the reality of it is quite different.

However much fun a lot of the ideas punted around are, the majority are flawed and, should they be put into action, I have no doubt a great deal of them would crash and burn just like so many of the storylines we have dissed over the years.

Bottom line, once you start taking into account all the component parts to a fued, it's not as easy for the creative teams as the majority of 'smarks' think.

And as for saving dream matches, well, I actually prefer WWE to save them, instead of just throwing them away. In 2008, in minor PPVs, exceptuating Summerslam, WWE gave us Batista vs HBK, Cena vs Batista, Batista vs Orton and HHH vs Edge, and in most of the cases it was just a thrown away match as no feud continued directly after it.

Word!!!

 

[gatesoftanhauser]

I don't think they get it all the time, but sometimes they have the pulse of what the crowd wants. Constantly pushing the Big Show and Great Khali when they could bring in smaller workers for better gimmicks and better matches is one reason.

 

[Montana]

In WWE is practically the same. The writters have brilliant ideas. Michael Hayes in particular is a damn genius, and I bet there are a lot more writers who are even greater than him, however, at the end of the day, it is Vince Mcmahon and Stephanie Mcmahon who rule, so if something doesnt fly to them.

Do you seriously think creative hasn't thought of HBK vs Taker at Mania? Or that MVP will be a great main eventer, or that they needed a real shake off on the draft this year?


However, I will say this, we know shit. Weren't we the ones who said that TNA needed to give the belt to Samoa Joe? We saw how that turn out. We know nothing, and more often than not the little scenarios we book on our minds, we would be the first ones to turn against them if book on real life.


And as for saving dream matches, well, I actually prefer WWE to save them, instead of just throwing them away. In 2008, in minor PPVs, exceptuating Summerslam, WWE gave us Batista vs HBK, Cena vs Batista, Batista vs Orton and HHH vs Edge, and in most of the cases it was just a thrown away match as no feud continued directly after it.

* Michael Hayes has the IQ of a pet rock. I fail to see why he is still employed. SD has an incredible roster, and from a storyline perspective, they are lacking. From match by match, SD booking in alright in that sense, but are far as long term booking, and actual storylines, SD often gets so bad i can't even watch. For example:

- Vickie G still GM
- Colt Cabana not on the show
- Shelton benjamin holding the belt for about 6 months, and no real storylines
- Same ole Undertaker stuff we've seen before.
- HHH destroying everyone
- MVP's losing streak.

Maybe i'm a dick, but all that is bad booking.

I do think creative knows what they are doing. But at the same for a group of "experts" i would think they could come up something better. You gotta figure these guys are putting in mad hours thinking of storylines and show plots. Week to week, its tough. But at the same time with that many people, you should get something better, I think.

But i also think having too many people's voice is also a bad thing. You have to get people that work well together. People who can communicate their ideas, and build each others idea's better.

I'll agree with you about saving matches. I'm fine with BIG matches at SummerSlam, but non-big four PPVs isnt right. I want to say Survivor Series was HHH vs Vladimir i believe, and now we get Cena vs JBL at the royal rumble. Hell yeah!



I think its tough to please everyone, and i think they are going a ok-good job. There is room for improvement though in some areas.

 

[Airfixx]

I do think creative knows what they are doing. But at the same for a group of "experts" i would think they could come up something better. You gotta figure these guys are putting in mad hours thinking of storylines and show plots. Week to week, its tough. But at the same time with that many people, you should get something better, I think.

Question is how much time is spent doing umpteen re-drafts etc. cos Vince or Steph keep on picking holes in things that have been previously approved? LOL

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

- Vickie G still GM

The storyline with Edge is gold, and she gets heat as nobody, so I fail to see how this is a bad move.

- HHH destroying everyone

I missed that one. In fact, he's burial level has gone lower.

- MVP's losing streak.

We know it's leading somewhere.


Hayes is the mind that came up with Hardy's new persona, same for Edge's psycho persona in the build up for Summerslam.

 

[gatesoftanhauser]

Smackdown! could use some Dusty booking.

(Dungeon of Doom, Black Scorpion, The Yeti, Mantaur, Shockmaster):laugh:

Well.....not really, but it's better than what's on right now.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

You mean better than what is already the best show around?

 

[Montana]

The storyline with Edge is gold, and she gets heat as nobody, so I fail to see how this is a bad move.


I missed that one. In fact, he's burial level has gone lower.


We know it's leading somewhere.


Hayes is the mind that came up with Hardy's new persona, same for Edge's psycho persona in the build up for Summerslam.

No, no, no, my friend. Edge was WAY more over with Lita back in 2006. Since he went to SD they watered Edge down so much, Randy Orton is now the #1 heel.

As for HHH i meant 2008 as a whole. The whole, we've ran out of competition, so lets let him beat up on Kendrick, Shelton, Vlad, ....pretty much every heel.

Im ok with a losing streak storyline for MVP, but its been WAY too long by now. They should have ended it months ago.

As far as Edge/Hardy, they were more over on Raw. Those guys were stars handed to SD to increase ratings. (not to mention HHH, Kennedy, Umaga, Big SHow) With that roster, I expect more.

 

[gatesoftanhauser]

You mean better than what is already the best show around?

I'd sit through Katie Vick and Al Wilson's marriage over the crap they're presenting on Smackdown these days.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

No, no, no, my friend. Edge was WAY more over with Lita back in 2006.

I am not sure about that one, but I'll give it to you.

However, that makes no difference. in 2006 CM Punk was more over than he is now. However, now he's higher on the card. Same for Edge, he could be more over in 2006, but it wasn't until on SD that he became the megastar he is now. On Raw he was an ocational main eventer, on SD he is THEE Man.

Besides, you talk about Raw's booking of Edge and Lita. The last I remember about Edge on Raw was him being a filler in the MITB at Mania, being a filler in thr Fatal Four Way at Backlash and taking a backseat to The Great Khali.

Since he went to SD they watered Edge down so much

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I'll correct that for you:

"Since he want to SD they watered the Rated R persona down so much".

However, they exploited the Ultimate Opportunist and Master Manipulator one.

Randy Orton is now the #1 heel.

No...just no. He's just starting to truly master his persona. Tell me that in 3 months, and I'll prob have no other choice but to agree, but as of this moment, he isn't.

As for HHH i meant 2008 as a whole. The whole, we've ran out of competition, so lets let him beat up on Kendrick, Shelton, Vlad, ....pretty much every heel.

I missed the part when he dominated Vladimir Kozlov, but nonetheless, I agree partially with you in this one. Then again, I could argue that it was more as HHH not wanting to drop the belt to any of those (nor having to), than Michael Hayes's bad booking. Besides, the Unforgiven Scramble Match was more of the starting of Hardy vs HHH storyline than anything else.

Im ok with a losing streak storyline for MVP, but its been WAY too long by now. They should have ended it months ago.

Seeing how this leads to something big, I disagree. MVP has actually been quitting in the house shows.

As far as Edge/Hardy, they were more over on Raw

Edge might be arguable, but Hardy...more over on Raw? Hell no. In Armageddon 2007 he actually got outpopped by HHH, and at RR, in the start of his push, Orton rivaled his cheers. FTW to his run on SD, and he is as over as ever. I really can't believe you said he was more over on Raw.

 

[Montana]

It seems we are starting to see more eye to eye, and meeting in the middle. Well, i at least see where you are coming from.

Yes, Edge is more of the feature of SD these days, but in 2006 he did beat Cena a few times, in his prime. I could be wrong on this, but Edge was really the only person to beat Cena in a big match during his prime run as champ. Plus the Edge/lita sex show segment got major ratings. Edge was a big part of Raw. Ultimately, it came down to politics, which lead him to SD. So he could be the lead heel for that show. Which happened.

As far as ORton/Edge, whos the #1 heel. I'd say when Orton retained at WM24, he earned that right. But you could argue Edge was in the headliner. Plus now if Orton turns face, that would make Edge #1 again.

With MVP, your assuming Hayes has some master plot for this. What if he doesn't...or what if he does, and it fails, cause he took too long. A good example of this is JBL in 2008. He jobbed all year, and now he's got a title match with Cena, only to push the HBK storyline.

I guess I'll say Hardy is more over on SD at the moment, and the last 2 months or so. Jeff Hardy was pretty damn over on Raw too. They just didnt want to push him over the top. But Hardy was already over before he even got to SD, so to credit Hayes, it was more Vince saying. "Lets put the strap on hardy already" not Hayes.

Not to get in a arguement anymore, but if you look at most all the main storylines, fueds, and happens of 2008, its mostly raw. THe main events of 2008 were all Raw. Ric Flairs retirement angle. HBK/Batista/Jericho fued. Cena/Batista, CM Punks title run. Really just Hardy winning the belt, was the only big thing thats happened on SD. imo.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

I think it mostly resides on the fact that SD is willing to give the ball to those that Raw don't. If not on SD, Edge would not been a main eventer for long, as with him around or not, Cena was keeping the belt all the way that he did, and then drop it to Orton, so that is practically a year away from the title picture.

With MVP, your assuming Hayes has some master plot for this. What if he doesn't...or what if he does, and it fails, cause he took too long

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I hope so. That's the truth, I am assuming he does. I don't think it will fail as somehow MVP has kept his heat, and the storyline will reside directly on his loses and not a try to fool the intelligence of the fans by ignoring it, so I think it will work. However, I am afraid it might not be a master plot and end by just sending MVP to a different brand.

Not to get in a arguement anymore, but if you look at most all the main storylines, fueds, and happens of 2008, its mostly raw. THe main events of 2008 were all Raw. Ric Flairs retirement angle. HBK/Batista/Jericho fued. Cena/Batista, CM Punks title run. Really just Hardy winning the belt, was the only big thing thats happened on SD. imo

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That's mostly because of Raw being Raw and it being the flagship show and not because of booking. As for main eventing PPVs, SD has main evented WM, ONS, GAB and Summerslam, all thanks to the most predominant feud in all year (Edge/Vickie vs Taker).

 

[Montana]

That's mostly because of Raw being Raw and it being the flagship show and not because of booking. As for main eventing PPVs, SD has main evented WM, ONS, GAB and Summerslam, all thanks to the most predominant feud in all year (Edge/Vickie vs Taker).

Just because Raw is the flagship show, doesn't mean SD can't have interesting storylines. The Edge/Taker feud....what was all that about?!? I was basically your the champ, i want the belt. I'm ok, with that sort of fued, but for 4 months, it gets a little stale. SD main evented, bc Raw ME, WM last year. I'm sure the WWE wants to makes SD look equal.

To me, Smackdown is just more wrestling focused. The fueds, storylines, and booking kinda sucks imo. If your more into a old school straight wrestling show, it fits the bill. But for me, with the great talent they have, I think they could come up with a little something more. I do like bits and pieces, like the parts where Jeff got attacked by someone on the stairs, I love stuff like that. I just think as a whole, theres not much depth to their storylines.

Plus....Kizarny.