The current state of WWE

[chessarmy]

I'm going to be doing one of these for TNA as well, so look out for that

Anyway, I just want to go over the pros and cons (imo) of the WWE right now. And no, this won't be your typical TNA mark proclaiming the WWE as the worst wrestling promotion ever created :laugh:

The Pros:

We'll start things off with the pros of the current product. First off, I just want to say, while lots of you are pissed about WWE trying to target a younger audience, you have to admit, RAW and Smackdown!'s wrestling has picked up. There is less bullshit, and more wrestling on WWE TV these days. They seem to care more about the wrestling. I can finally say with a strait face, that WWE is a wrestling promotion even if they themselves, don't want to. The show's formula may seem a little basic, but at least we get 1 or 2 great matches on TV every week. Think about it, RAW in 2005-2006 barely had any wrestling on it. It seems like WWE has refocused their attention to the in ring product, which is the right thing to do imo.

Another positive is definitely the booking. I love how WWE is pushing all the young guys on the roster, CM Punk became World Champion for a while (even though the Title run is overlooked now), Dibiase, Rhodes, and Manu have evolved into a solid heel group, and even Kofi Kingston is a draw now. Over on Smackdown! THE Brian Kendrick is tearing it up in the ring, with his AWESOME gimmick...and Ezekiel. And who can forget about Kung Fu Naki!? ECW is a glorified developmental territory on TV, so they're obviously puthing a bunch of young guys. One of them that stands out, is Matt Sydal (or Even Bourne, whatever you want to call him). He is getting the push that he deserves, and I'm looking forward to seeing where he ends up in a few years. Basically, WWE is finally pushing guys that aren't 6 foot 9, 450 pounds. Guys like Matt Sydal, Kofi Kingston, and CM Punk got to break through that "glass ceiling" and its a great thing to see.

Oh yea, and the main reason why I still watch WWE: Shawn Michaels

Cons:

Oh wow...where to start? I'm sick of JBL, Batista, John Cena, The Great Khali, and Hornswoggle. I just finished talking about how WWE is pushing these young guys...so why not switch things up a little bit by giving some of the younger talent a shot in the main event scene? They did it with CM Punk...but then ended his Title reign in a matter of seconds, and now we're stuck with Batista again, after another short reign by Jericho. I'm sick of it, Batista as World Champion screams SAME OLD SHIT and I'm tired of seeing it. Batista dominated the World Title picture from 2005-2008 and it seems like his title current Title reign is going to be a long one. My question is...why? After you do something different by putting the World Title on a youngster like CM Punk, and a man who hasn't been World Champion for a while, Chris Jericho...why go back to the same old formula that you've used in previous years? Ok, maybe Batista was starting to get pissed about his current position in WWE...so what? There are plenty of other MORE TALENTED wrestlers that can take his place! Fuck Batista, his title reign is going to make the WWE product even less watchable...speaking of that:

Why in the hell is WWE so boring these days? Its like they don't care about entertaining us anymore? Just a few months ago (around draft time) the writing was awesome. I couldn't miss RAW because they were keeping me hooked with all these great storylines. CM Punk was World Champion, Kane had something in that bag that we all wanted to see. Also, the question was always there...who is going to be the new GM? Smackdown! was fun to watch too, with Triple H making his first few appearances, and JR making his debut as the voice of SD!. But now look what happened, Batista is World Champion...again, and Smackdown! has nothing that interests me. WWE needs to bring the excitement back, make RAW and Smackdown! can't miss TV again. I don't care about JBL, John Cena, Batista, and Great Khali anymore, bring someone else in to take their spots. Try something different, turn Batista and Cena heel. Or have Randy Orton make that stable with Manu, Rhodes, and Dibiase. They need to do something to grab my attention again.

Speaking of Smackdown! while is was cool to see Triple H there for the first few weeks as I talked about before, his WWE Title reign is putting me to sleep. I won't gripe on this too much as it looks like he'll be losing the belt soon, but that still doesn't change how boring it was. Trips has a limited amount of challengers now, he basically beat everyone. Hopefully they just put the title on someone else, literally ANYONE would make a better champion right now. I'm not a Triple H hater like some of the other people on the IWF, but I just feel his title reign has gotten old.

Overall:

The WWE product is stale. While is isn't as bad as it used to be a few years ago, its still not where I would like to see it. Maybe this is their time of year where things slow down a little, but with rumors of a Cena/Batista rematch at Wrestlemania, and JBL starting a feud with HBK, it doesn't look as if anything is going to change. But then again, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Tista will lose the Title to someone new, and the product will be fun to watch again. But until all that happens, my opinion stands

 

[1chiban]

One word: mediocre.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

I agree with some, but others, you are totally wrong, and others, you just show, intentional or not, some biase.

I just couldn't help to laugh at the fact that you want someone to take Cena's spot.

 

[Headfirst For Hardcore]

fuck that, I was about to do a thread that was exactly the same as this one.

 

[Switchy]

I agree with a lot of the points you make when it comes to both the rpo's and cons and it seems like you thoguht this out a lot before writing it.

One of the points that I agree with most is that WWE need to reach out and grab our attention. fter the draft they done that a few ties with their surprises like CM Punk winning the world title bringing a breath of fresh air into the WWE but with Batista winning the world title last night, nothing against the guy but it seems like WWE is gonna go back to the same old stuff.

Now I know WWE obviously can't make things all new all the time but it seems that they read about being boring and they just change things for a month or two to get people off their backs and then they just go back to their old ways. What I see WWE is failing to do (especially on Raw) is to mix up the Main Event scene. Now WWE have had the same old guys on Raw ME'ing (with the exception of Punk) and I mean will it really hurt to give a guy a temporary ME push and give him a title match at a lesser PPV? It worked with Jeff Hardy at the RR and it worked with The Brian Kendrick so why won't it work with someone like Ted Jr or Paul Burchill?

As for SD just get the title of HHH! I mean, it's not like if you take the title off him he won't get it back, just give someone else a chance. I think Cyber Sunday was the ideal time for HHH to drop the title to Jeff because then HHH could've then taken a backseat away from SD's ME until the beginning of the road to WM and aslo given SD some new feuds and refresh the brand as a whole.

As for ECW, the bookers there aren't doing an amazing job but are probably doing better than most people would conisdering the guys they got on there and they are also doing what I am talking about so much, keeping the brand fresh. They've had Mark Henry with a title reign which lasted a pretty good amount of time and now have Matt Hardy as well with Evan Bourne pushing up as well and ECW probably have 3 or 4 people who could challenge Matt for the title and they also have the team of The Miz and John Morrison who are two of the best young talent WWE got atm.

So to sum up, WWE are doing average but they need to freshen things up a bit, get a few new guys in the ME scene for Raw and give Jeff the title on SD and jsut take away the all-round repetitiveness of the shows. And as for ECW I have no real complaints as they are doing an pretty good job over there.

 

[Tsaalyo Phoenix]

Batista winning the title at CC has pretty much undone everything that the Draft kicked up. We're officially right back to where we were, the scenario that made WWE so desperately need a draft to begin with. Now we've got Triple H in the most bland, boring, uninspired piece of crap ever to be called a title reign, burying talent and no-selling TOF/Swantons. We've got Batista ready to kick off a carbon copy of his previous dozen title reigns. We've got Orton who's overselling a fake motorcycle accident and is apparently never coming back, which I'm guessing is why the once promising Priceless team is now an afterthought at best. Punk isn't doing anything noteworthy, sometimes being left out of RAWs altogether. Honestly, the high point of the RAW/SD right now is Glamarella. For virtually every other segment, half the time I find myself thinking "...what would I really miss if I just turned this off right now?" And after the show the answer always comes back the same - not a whole lot.

I don't get ECW, so I can't say anything about it.

 

[Rated R Stud]

I agree with MOST of what you said, But IMO wwe had WAY more wrestling in 2005-2006 then now, WWE is SHITTY, with all this Kiddies non sense, I'll go into a full detial right about...........NOW.


Triple H's title run is ALSO BORING ME TO SLEEP, it started of great, but now? i mean seriously GOD DAMNIT HHH PUT SOMEBODY OVER, your not gonna be there for 10+ more years (unless he pulls a Hogan/Flair) Jeff, MVP, Kennedy, Matt, ETC will all be there 10+ more years.

 

[chessarmy]

I just couldn't help to laugh at the fact that you want someone to take Cena's spot.

Not sure I explained it correctly. Cena can stay in the ME but I'm asking for new people in the TITLE picture, instead of the same old challengers

 

[Soulpower]

It sucks, all of it. Its not just WWE, its pretty much wrestling in general.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

I'm seeing new people, but I think you people concentrate on the people you don't like still main eventing that actually taking a long deep look at who is on the main event.

At Unforgiven, Kane and Rey Mysterio challenged for the belt. Y2J, who was not a main eventer by then, became champion.

We then saw HBK challenge for the belt. We have been seeing Jeff Hardy challenge for the belt and Vladimir Kozlov going for it as well.

Jeff Hardy and Y2J have been doing such a good job main eventing that you guys seem to forget that 3 months ago, they were midcarders, therefore making arguments like that WWE has the same people main eventing.

Now we've got Triple H in the most bland, boring, uninspired piece of crap ever to be called a title reign, burying talent and no-selling TOF/Swantons.

He did a god damn roll up in the last second, and then stayed down for 5 minutes. I wouldn't call that no selling.

As for SD just get the title of HHH! I mean, it's not like if you take the title off him he won't get it back, just give someone else a chance. I think Cyber Sunday was the ideal time for HHH to drop the title to Jeff because then HHH could've then taken a backseat away from SD's ME until the beginning of the road to WM and aslo given SD some new feuds and refresh the brand as a whole.

Hardy would be champion by now if he wouldn't be too busy drugging himself up. It's his fault he isn't champion by now.

And I'm sorry, but the time for taking the belt off Triple H has passed. Now, HHH needs to kept that belt all the way to Mania, as I am sure we will start getting teases of HHH vs Taker vs Edge any week now.

It worked with Jeff Hardy at the RR and it worked with The Brian Kendrick so why won't it work with someone like Ted Jr or Paul Burchill?

Those pushes weren't the same. The Kendrick is still a midcarder. Hardy was pushed to main event stardom, and arguably all what WWE did was made him challenge for the belt, because the overness was always there. Ted DiBiase, maybe. Paul Burchill? Yeah, maybe if he makes his way back on TV.

Now WWE have had the same old guys on Raw ME'ing

Like I said, I didn't remember Kane, Rey Mysterio and Y2J main eventing Raw 5 months ago.

Triple H's title run is ALSO BORING ME TO SLEEP, it started of great, but now? i mean seriously GOD DAMNIT HHH PUT SOMEBODY OVER

...Shelton Benjamin, Randy Orton, Batista, Cena, Hardy at Armageddon all say hello.

your not gonna be there for 10+ more years

Arguably neither MVP and if they keep up like that, neither Hardy and Mr. Kennedy.

Jeff, MVP, Kennedy, Matt,

Jeff: He'd be champion if he kept his damn nose clean
MVP: Can't argue
Kennedy: After or before he gets injured again
Matt: ROFL! Develop some mic skills and maybe, maybe, maybe any main eventer will think in putting you over.

 

[Rated R Stud]

Yes Mic Skills are important i'll give you that, but if they really WERE that important, would Batista, The Great Kahli, etc would of been WHC? Yes he did put them over, when was the last time he put someone over in a clean way (oppentent gets the 1,2,3 without "cheating") to my knowledge it was Jeff last December.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Ric Flair, and maybe he has not been pinned, but he has lost other matches, like tag matches, Triple Threats and the Royal Rumble

Oh, and Batista has better mic skills than Matt Hardy. Besides, Batista doesn't need to talk, same as Khali. He just needs to come out and look impressive.

Besides, Runjin Singh has better mic skills than Matt Hardy, so it makes for more entertaining segments

 

[Tsaalyo Phoenix]

Yes Mic Skills are important i'll give you that, but if they really WERE that important, would Batista, The Great Kahli, etc would of been WHC? Yes he did put them over, when was the last time he put someone over in a clean way (oppentent gets the 1,2,3 without "cheating") to my knowledge it was Jeff last December.

And that was with a lucky roll up.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

My bad, he didn't lose cleanly to Ric Flair.

 

[Airfixx]

I'm seeing new people, but I think you people concentrate on the people you don't like still main eventing that actually taking a long deep look at who is on the main event.

At Unforgiven, Kane and Rey Mysterio challenged for the belt. Y2J, who was not a main eventer by then, became champion.

We then saw HBK challenge for the belt. We have been seeing Jeff Hardy challenge for the belt and Vladimir Kozlov going for it as well.

Jeff Hardy and Y2J have been doing such a good job main eventing that you guys seem to forget that 3 months ago, they were midcarders, therefore making arguments like that WWE has the same people main eventing.




He did a god damn roll up in the last second, and then stayed down for 5 minutes. I wouldn't call that no selling.




Hardy would be champion by now if he wouldn't be too busy drugging himself up. It's his fault he isn't champion by now.

And I'm sorry, but the time for taking the belt off Triple H has passed. Now, HHH needs to kept that belt all the way to Mania, as I am sure we will start getting teases of HHH vs Taker vs Edge any week now.




Those pushes weren't the same. The Kendrick is still a midcarder. Hardy was pushed to main event stardom, and arguably all what WWE did was made him challenge for the belt, because the overness was always there. Ted DiBiase, maybe. Paul Burchill? Yeah, maybe if he makes his way back on TV.




Like I said, I didn't remember Kane, Rey Mysterio and Y2J main eventing Raw 5 months ago.




...Shelton Benjamin, Randy Orton, Batista, Cena, Hardy at Armageddon all say hello.



Arguably neither MVP and if they keep up like that, neither Hardy and Mr. Kennedy.




Jeff: He'd be champion if he kept his damn nose clean
MVP: Can't argue
Kennedy: After or before he gets injured again
Matt: ROFL! Develop some mic skills and maybe, maybe, maybe any main eventer will think in putting you over.

Thanks for posting.... Saved me further contibuting to my RSI. : P

Only really wanna add to that that the match quality week to week has gone up since the draft...



Admittedly I'm a bit pissed at Batista winning the title at CS (which is what seems to have inspired the majority of this 'dispair') and agree with many that they could have had him chase Y2J a bit longer (Rematch for S\Series or even have Y2J cling on 'til Armageddon), but hey, it won't be a long reign so I'll get over it... Look at what's coming SSeries, RRumble, the Road to Mania... If anything things are about to take a turn for the better.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm really enjoying the HHH/Jeff angle atm - It's telling a real good story. HBK v Y2J was classic stuff, but aside from those, IMO the thing we are missing most are some hot storylines to prop the whole thing up and actually make us give a shit about the fueds (Look no further than Truth V Shelton for why this is).