Goldberg Love him/hate him

[Montana]

I read on another forum, they thought it would be a interesting topic to discuss. Did the wwe drop the ball with Goldberg????

Goldberg being in the WWE was a dream for every wrestling fan. When they signed him in 2003, I'm sure each of us were excited. But WWE messed up badly. What could they have done differently to make it better?

First, they should have given him Less Mic time
Example- When he made his RAW debut, he said "So Rock...you wanna' know who's next? YOU'RE NEXT!". They should have cut that part out. He should have showed up, and just speared Rock. Then leave. The fans always know who Goldberg is, they're familiar with his music, and his moveset. He didn't need any mic time to try and get over.

Everyone knows about the Golddust promo that was horrible too.

Now let's go over his WWE timeline

1) Goldberg beat the Rock with a really good match at Backlash. Rock had just beaten Stone Cold clean a month before. So Rock was looking strong going into the PPV. Goldberg winning automatically made him top dog. This part of Goldberg's run was the highest point.

2) After beating the Rock, and having great momentum, WWE put him in feuds against Jericho and Christian. The Jericho match had a good buildup too.

So far, So good. But here's comes the downfall.

3) Afterwards, Goldberg ended up fighting HHH and Evolution. WWE put way too much faith in this feud. It began in July (RAW episode), and ended in December (Armageddon). WWE just dragged this rivalry.

The mistakes WWE made were that they forgot how HHH was stale. Him and Goldberg couldn't put on a good match neither.

One low point was at Armageddons, where Goldberg got pinned by HHH after a Chokeslam. That was poor booking. Kane should have been pinned, not Goldberg as it didn't fit his character.

4) So anyway, after the boring feud with HHH. Goldberg started the Brock Lesnar feud, and we all know how that ended.

The match with Rock was the only good thing from Goldberg's WWE run.

What WWE should have done was have Goldberg win at the Elimination Chamber at SummerSlam. Afterwards, have Goldberg beat HHH one-on-one clean at RAW the next night. Thus, ending the feud right there and then.
Push HHH away from the main event for a long time.

Then put WWE champion Goldberg in one-on-one feuds against Kane and HBK (With Goldberg winning clean against both). At Armageddon, have a triple threat with Kane v. Goldberg v. HBK. Then have HBK win it.

With the belt off him, find a way to put him onto Smackdown to wrap up the dream matches.

Let him fight Benoit on a Smackdown episode; Angle at the Rumble; Lesnar at No Way Out, and then Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

^Goldberg should win ALL of those matches clean, except against the Undertaker. Undertaker should win clean, as Goldberg must lose his last match.

This way, the fans get what they want.
They see Goldberg vs Rock, HHH, HBK, Kane , Angle, Benoit, Jericho, Taker, and Lesnar.
As opposed to what we really witnessed, where all we saw was Goldberg vs Rock, HHH, Jericho, and Lesnar.


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My response:



MAYBE just MAYBE


GOldberg is a NO TALENT HACK that got pushed to the moon by WCW because they needed a new star. Goldberg had NO passion for the the wrestling business, and thought he was better than he was. The wwe didnt screw up, Goldberg screwed up. Goldberg simply didnt have a entertaining bone in his body. That was the problem. And if you want to how great he was in WCW, well look for far Goldberg got WCW. WCW went straight to the bottom with him as the top guy. Yes, he had a awesome first year with his undefeated streak, but the guy stale as soon as he won the belt.



What do you think? Did the wwe screw goldberg? Or did he screw himself.

 

[Beer Money Army]

WWE was paying Goldberg alot of Money... but I don't think WWE drop the ball with him at all..

If You recall Goldberg WCW Run...

My memory from it:

1. I did not see a **** or **** + match from this man, His best match was against DDP at H.Havoc 98(the man that really should of ended goldberg streak) that was *** 1/2

2. When he was WCW World Champion the show he won it from went up 0.7 (4.8) to last week, but when it got to the last nitro the ratings didnt maintain the 4.5 or high statue as it was 4.0. (but may i add the ratings went high in the 1st 2 months but they were sinking after september)

3.
His PPV Buyrate on His title defense
BATB 98 : 1.50 (highest ever for BATB, but i say this was due to ddp/malone vs hogan/rodman rather than a throw in match of g'berg/hennig)
Rw98 : 0.91 (highest for RW, but didnt defend the title, but was in a battle royal In end i would say the leno factor with ddp vs eric/hogan was the money bringer probably)
didnt wrestle on fall brawl
H.Havoc 98 : 0.78 (down .32 from 97)
ww 3 98 didn't wrestle
Starrcade 98 : 1.15 (down 0.75)

his Main event Match
soulded out 99: 0.25 (lowest for S/out, Goldberg vs hall was main event)

For PPV Buyrates thoughts, i wouldnt of been that happy a few of these ppv outcomes...

I never wanted WWE to signed This Man. but They did when He hasn't wrestled for 2 Yrs, barely that good in the ring....

WWE

Goldberg was the only WCW guy of 2003 to Clean beat HHH...My View he was the wrong one why...

1. When he Debut in April The raw ratings were continue to slump down.

2. His feuds with Rock, Y2J, HHH, i swear at alot of the arena the majority of the crowd cheer them rather than the face goldberg.

3. His Matches were more weak than what they were in WCW..

4. Goldberg WHC reign in WWE

Unforgiven didn't sell that well, s.series 0.73 (lowest buyrates since s.s 1996), armageddon 0.40 (lowest Buyrates for this Theme PPV)

his TV ratings as World Champion were going down at a slow rate.. but when he left after Mania 20, the rathing within the Next 6 Months were on a slow paced rise...

Dipset Conclusion

Mick Foley put in some good words: Bill Goldberg was one of WWE waste of Big money contacts...

 

[Wrestling Station]

Montana, you said that Goldberg should have won clean against HHH? Well, as you know that HHH is the WWE guy, so thats not possible. But maybe and i say maybe, the WWE felt what they did a mistake for Goldberg so they made the HHH/Batista feud a better one with Batista winning 3 PPV over HHH straight and clean wins.

Now about Having some dream feuds as you mentioned, yes those are dream feuds but, what would you expect In that case, WWE should have given him a feud for a 2 month max length (which wont make anyone happy nor satisfied as it will look quick and incomplete).

I dont think that WWE screwed Goldberg, its just that Goldberg is just a short term star. IMO, he cant be as over as he should be if he was still in WWE till today. (To compare him with for example HBK, or Taker). His star power is just for a short period of time, got what he wanted and gave WWE what they wanted in that period of time.

The best thing about Goldberg are:
1- spear (power moves in general)
2- Entrance pyro and theme
3- Thats about it.

 

[Montana]

Montana, you said that Goldberg should have won clean against HHH? Well, as you know that HHH is the WWE guy, so thats not possible. But maybe and i say maybe, the WWE felt what they did a mistake for Goldberg so they made the HHH/Batista feud a better one with Batista winning 3 PPV over HHH straight and clean wins.

Now about Having some dream feuds as you mentioned, yes those are dream feuds but, what would you expect In that case, WWE should have given him a feud for a 2 month max length (which wont make anyone happy nor satisfied as it will look quick and incomplete).

I dont think that WWE screwed Goldberg, its just that Goldberg is just a short term star. IMO, he cant be as over as he should be if he was still in WWE till today. (To compare him with for example HBK, or Taker). His star power is just for a short period of time, got what he wanted and gave WWE what they wanted in that period of time.

The best thing about Goldberg are:
1- spear (power moves in general)
2- Entrance pyro and theme
3- Thats about it.

No, i said i took that from another forum and my response was below. Maybe i didnt word that clearly enough. I agree with you.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

HHH vs Goldberg was a money feud, so while that guy considers it drag, WWE considers they made a little money with it. And imo, it didn't drag, as they only had 3 one on one matches.

I always laugh when I read Goldberg wasn't pushed correctly in WWE, he got the WHC out of HHH, a thing that only HBK could say before him in almost 2 years. He went over Y2J, which knowing the backstory between them coming from WCW was big, and over The Rock in his last match. The Lesnar vs Goldberg feud was good, but people just say it all sucked because the way the MATCH sucked.

And I finish with, just like all the feuds WWE didn't get out of Lashley in his run, this guy complains about the lack of feuds he had in his run, well, WWE didn't expect Goldberg to back out, saying his main event run over The Rock, Kane, Chris Jericho and a title victory was bad booking

 

[wwe batista+cena]

goldberg in wcw was stupid. it would change every week in stupid odds. and thats not good if you want to put a guy over. goldberg has the muscles to be a big player back then but now i think he should go to TNA to feud with abyss or samoa joe.

 

[monkeystyle]

Goldberg is awful. He has had maybe one or two truly good matches in his career. As to his WWE run, he was a one trick pony who squashed jobbers for like a year to get over. WCW had shit tons of those to feed him, WWE didn't.

But even that is not the biggest contribution to why he failed. Goldberg failed because of his character. Once he lost to Nash in WCW his character was dead in the water, even though he lost in dubious fashion. There was pretty much no way to save him after that. Winning streaks do far more harm then they do good.

 

[1chiban]

Goldberg was in the right place at the right time in WCW - he was never the bets worker, or promo guy in all honesty, but he had a presence. Noone has that aura of dominance anymore. The Rock match was very good, but I agree that the cardinal mistake was not letting him win the Chamber match. Killed his momentum dead. Having him win that match made sense - especially judging by the huge pop he got when he entered proceedings and went wild, spearing Y2J through the glass and all that.

Another problem is that during the Jericho feud, Goldberg was continually made to look stupid - not great for a face really!

 

[MikeRaw]

I like goldberg. Not good in the ring (well, hes Batista like, so average) and average on the mic, so I cant say he was anything awesome though. It was more the character I liked though, and he couldve been better if they got another person to play Goldberg (use the character for someone else) instead. But anyways, I dont think they screwed him up, and i dont think he did. Firstly, I enjoyed his time in WWE. The rock feud was good IMO, and I also loved his feud with HHH,a nd the way the storyline went.
The fans were behind him too, but I think he never got his momentum going, cause he was only there for a year, and aanother thing is, its not what he though, but thats because wwe had alot more top guys than WCW IMO.
Noone is to blame, it just didnt go as planned, in most peoples eyes, I liked his wwe run though.

 

[gamebreaker]

Goldberg was awesome in the WCW. He kicked everyones ass. But when he came to WWE in 2003, I knew he would sell out in less than a year. He made so many boring feuds with Triple H. He could've been better on SmackDown during that time.

 

[xtremebadass]

Well I loved WWE Goldberg, but I was younger and was watching wrestling for just over a year back then, but now looking at it, I still loved his WWE run, but it could have been so much better. I agree with the whole Armageddon debacle Montana. That 3 way was so weak and that topped off Goldberg/Evolution rivalry? Why have Kane in there at all? It was really pointless.

The Brock Lesnar feud really did him in, that sucked because from Feb-WMXX he didn't even appear on Raw. Austin did most of the promoting for that match with his appearance on SD with the 4 wheeler. I think Goldberg would have stayed if it was better booking, but still, Goldberg was doing everything right, it was WWE for sure that screwed Goldberg over.

 

[NinoBrown]

Goldberg was the illest thing in the ring when I was young. Kicking ass here, there and everywhere but the problem with wrestlers when they have the undefeated gimmick, once they're beat. They seem to falter in the matches to come.

The first half of Goldberg's run was good then his gas just went on empty around the time he started feuding with HHH, as MS said he's a start term star. He didn't have a book full of moves, more like a page. There was so much he could do with who the E had.