WS Christmas Mafia 2022

[Sister Abigail]

DUEL: Juice to lose - death to the Jews! 88!

Duel: Juice To Lose

But I'd very much like the Jews to live.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

I guess my position boils down to: If one of Smark or Ekko flips scum, then Ace is probably town in my book.

If neither flip scum, I'm gunning for him tomorrow.

 

[Sister Abigail]

Rn I got Chris, Tommy, and Ekko (yes, ironic considering I'm voting for Juice to win but I'm looking at a pragmatic approach to things) as my town leans atm.

I'm looking at Ace, Smark, T-Pein, and Johnny based off interactions and such.

I personally laid out how I thought despite giving Ekko a town lean, it's probably better to have him killed in the duel and Smark lynched so I can better figure out Ace's slot. TL/DR, felt like Ace is trying to buddy up to Ekko but he's also going after Smark too?

So I can agree on your town reads, no problem.

Ace is bad, I'll have to read his iso (planned on it at some point anyway). What interactions did you find bad with Tpein and Johnny?

Can't say much about this final point without reading Ace's iso.

 

[Ekkologix]

As Colonel Mustard once said, "This is war, Peacock, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs."

this doesnt tell me anything about ur thought process. u want to flip someone u lean town over someone u r having hard time to discern their alignment but think are town only so u can maaaybeee gain a little bit of info on ace who u admittedly said my flip wont rly give u much info on. yeah i dont follow

 

[Ekkologix]

I guess my position boils down to: If one of Smark or Ekko flips scum, then Ace is probably town in my book.

If neither flip scum, I'm gunning for him tomorrow.

let me ask u this

do u think me and smark are s/s?

 

[Smart Marx]

Holy shit Smark, I didn't care about the post content in regards to the point of fake refereeing. Of course I care about antisemitism, I shouldn't have to denounce that in thread. You think I'm out here fucking agreeing with CP's stupid fucking comment that he made god knows when?

But Smark, this is where the fucking game and other shit blend in together. I'm scum reading you. I just can't take promises at face value. I am sorry that we had to get off on this tangent, but surely you can see what my POV might be if I scum read you and you're saying the stuff that you are.

I understand what you're saying here, Smark, but to borderline call me a Nazi supporter is pretty fucking disgusting and out of bounds, yeah? Like you can't be so silly to think I don't absolutely denounce CP's comments for what they actually are. But not caring about that post in regards to my issue of you fake refereeing is different than caring about how HATEFUL CP's comment is.

That post content and the referring are intrinsically linked. You can’t unlink them. You either think it should be in play or you don’t. Do you have nuance when it comes to reads? Are you capable of thinking I’m scum based on x,y and x but the referring isn’t game related? Not everything a scum player says is game related. Like Barry here. He’s also trying to referee now. I wouldn’t use this in my reads.

I didn’t call you a Nazi supporter, but I did call out your your post where you said it didn’t matter. This game would be in a much better state if we just moved past this one thing. You had a list of things to scum read me on. You didn’t need this point to continue voting for me.

I don’t make promises as an owner and administrator that something is not game related lightly. That’s the whole point of why I said you could vote for me. If that was a play, I wouldn’t have both refused to comment and ask you to vote for me. Those are conflicting mafia tactics.

I think you could tell by my user title alone I was being deadly serious about this and while you say you didn’t know it was a Nazi comment, the conversation going at the time involved the topic of the SS and antisemitism. You should have been able to use context clues to insinuate that when I said there was history there it would be something that would bolster that conversation.

Anyways, let’s just drop it now so the game can move on.

 

[Ekkologix]

am i the only one reading ace town actually

 

[Ekkologix]

ace extended good faith to me. im bound by laws of phsyics to extend good faith back. if hes scum ill find him out sooner or later but not worried about his slot rn

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

So I can agree on your town reads, no problem.

Ace is bad, I'll have to read his iso (planned on it at some point anyway). What interactions did you find bad with Tpein and Johnny?

Can't say much about this final point without reading Ace's iso.

So here's this regarding T-Pein. Mostly gut-feeling, not really liking how outside of a perfunctory argument with Ekko, he's more or less just parroted the guy and isn't actually doing much game-solving.

I was fine with Smark but the Ace vote kinda Poisoned the well there for me.

T-Pein also interests me a bit but that's more on big smelly gut. John as well actually.

As for Johnny, it really just feels like he's backseat commentating here and not actually adding much to discussions. (TBF tho he is going after Ace, which hypothetically would be brownie points for me).

 

[Smart Marx]

Anyway, Smark, I hate Nazis, and I do not like people who say terrible shit like that, even as a joke. I would never say something or believe in something so dark and terrible like that.

Let’s end this by just agreeing with this statement.

I fully endorse your post here.

I apologize if you thought I was calling a supporter yourself, but this subject means a lot to me. Especially with Kanye normalizing stuff like this.

Have a great night.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

let me ask u this

do u think me and smark are s/s?

Oh man, this hypothetical scenario you're putting forth.

I'd be extremely pleased if even one of you was scum. I do think your flipping doesn't just help principally Ace's slot, but probably T-Pein and John as well. Call it me thinking big picture over fighting tooth and nail over small reads.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

Smark meanwhile would go along way actually to helping figure out probably half the game already with how much they've been center of attention throughout the game, sorry not sorry Smark

 

[Smart Marx]

Smark meanwhile would go along way actually to helping figure out probably half the game already with how much they've been center of attention throughout the game, sorry not sorry Smark

Let’s test that theory.

How does each of possible flips help you?

 

[Sister Abigail]

That post content and the referring are intrinsically linked. You can’t unlink them. You either think it should be in play or you don’t. Do you have nuance when it comes to reads? Are you capable of thinking I’m scum based on x,y and x but the referring isn’t game related? Not everything a scum player says is game related. Like Barry here. He’s also trying to referee now. I wouldn’t use this in my reads.

I didn’t call you a Nazi supporter, but I did call out your your post where you said it didn’t matter. This game would be in a much better state if we just moved past this one thing. You had a list of things to scum read me on. You didn’t need this point to continue voting for me.

I don’t make promises as an owner and administrator that something is not game related lightly. That’s the whole point of why I said you could vote for me. If that was a play, I wouldn’t have both refused to comment and ask you to vote for me. Those are conflicting mafia tactics.

I think you could tell by my user title alone I was being deadly serious about this and while you say you didn’t know it was a Nazi comment, the conversation going at the time involved the topic of the SS and antisemitism. You should have been able to use context clues to insinuate that when I said there was history there it would be something that would bolster that conversation.

Anyways, let’s just drop it now so the game can move on.

Smark, I really don't have any personal issue with you, I just want you to know that. There's maybe a couple players here that I don't care for, but you're not one of them. All I will say is that I gave you a list of issues I had with you and YOU picked out the non-game related one. We could have gone in any other direction other than the one point that I had no fucking way of knowing that it would lead down this bad tunnel. Also, until I literally iso'd you this game and you said 'owner hat', I didn't have any clue what you're connection to this site was; don't pay attention to titles or shit like that.

I honestly do hate that this is how you and I had to interact because I think so much of it was a misunderstanding. I can retract the refereeing point from my reasons for suss (it wasn't even my biggest). Unfortunately, I still scum read you even without that involved. But yes, let's move on from this; I don't think either of us want to drain this game or make things tense or nasty for others.

 

[Smart Marx]

No, I didn’t sister. You asked me directly, twice, and I addressed many things before that.

Hold on, just to do something game related I’ll quote them. Like I said I was gonna before you thought I said quit.