Fantasy Basketball 2011

[SAL]

Just write 'BEN' on the envelope and it'll get there.

 

[SAIYANS]

Like I said don't care about winning unless it has to do with the awards like MVP and things of that nature. Said the same thing about Love last year. Deron being in surprises me and still shaking my head and Josh Smith being snubbed once again. He deserves to be in over his teammate that did make it in Joe Johnson.


Maybe it's safe to say he doesn't want Bosh. I saw the trade offer anyways I hope he doesn't do that considering if Lin stays at PG Amare is gonna go back to having his usual numbers.

What good is an all star who can't help his team win games and compete for a playoff spot? They should be called All Overrated imo

 

[SAL]

What good is an all star who can't help his team win games and compete for a playoff spot? They should be called All Overrated imo

If you're not Blue, you can easily differentiate individual success from team success. You thought Love didn't belong last year because his team wasn't winning games; now they're .500 and he's an MVP candidate, as he should be and should have been last year. And besides, Kobe wouldn't win any games with that Nets roster, you must be kidding.

 

[PHX]

Sal pretty much wrote what I was gonna respond with. You brought up Lou Williams and while he is doing good for his team he isn't from an All Star standpoint if you look at his numbers in comparison to the others guards.

 

[SAIYANS]

Sal.,

Smush
Luke
Kwame
Cook
Mihm

That ring a bell for a rotation? Kobe finished over 500 two straight years out in the tougher western conference.

Iverson and McGrady played with worse and made the fucking playoffs in Phili and Orlando during their day.

Deron ain't a fucking superstar, and doesn't deserve to be called an all star this year. It is as empty as putting Al Jefferson there all the years he got 20 and 10 while being a horrible passer and defender on some of the worst teams in the league

And for the last fucking time, the all star game was meant to celebrate the best players from competitive teams that were 500 or better and in playoff contention. They only started placing in losers when the fucking east became anemic 7 or 8 years ago.

 

[SAIYANS]

Sal pretty much wrote what I was gonna respond with. You brought up Lou Williams and while he is doing good for his team he isn't from an All Star standpoint if you look at his numbers in comparison to the others guards.

He is Phili's offense and closer. They are one of the best teams in the league. His defensive metrics (efg and per) only falls behind Iggy on that team. How is he not an all star or they are not worthy of two representatives?

 

[PHX]

I already said why he shouldn't be and keep saying it over and over that the team's success shouldn't matter when it comes to the all star team. Esp when you factor in the actual game itself where it's meant to be exciting to watch to the best talent in the league that year and offense is highlighted more than defense unless it's a steal or a block. 15 points on 41% shooting and 3 assist aren't all star numbers.

 

[Showtime]

: @ Kobe wouldn't get in with those guys. His post Shaq and Pre Gasol teams were much worse. He might not be able to get them in now, but at Deron's age he certainly could.

As for winners getting in over players that have more individual success it goes both ways really, winners without all star stats don't mean much but good stats on a bad team doesn't mean much either because you're usually the star with a team full of scrubs and basically padding your stats. There is no acceptable reason as to why Duncan got in last year and Dirk got in this year other than reputation and their team is over 500. Same with Wade since I believe he missed like half of the games this season so far, but that's what happens when fans vote, Melo getting in was just as bad as Dirk.

 

[SAIYANS]

That's a losers mentality imo and goes against the tradition of the game for most of its existence

And I don't get Dirk over Duncan if you measure defensive impact and winning which is what Tim has brought since Manu went down. He is one of the best defensive Centers in the league bar none after Dwight and Andrew statistically by advanced metrics. Woj even said that he was told Duncan didn't get in because his stats were low, but Dirk's were just bad. I mean Bargani for instance has put up better numbers if you want just sheer numbers

 

[PHX]

Whatever it is idc I just know I wanna see the best players of the year in the game winning record or not, name value or not.

 

[Kiffy Lube]

Fans voting has ruined the all-star game so I'll just sit back and watch you guys figure this mess out.

 

[SAL]

And for the last fucking time, the all star game was meant to celebrate the best players from competitive teams that were 500 or better and in playoff contention. They only started placing in losers when the fucking east became anemic 7 or 8 years ago.

That's a lovely story. The first all-star game in 1951 had 20 players, 8 from losing teams. But there were only 12 teams, so maybe that's not fair.

1968 : 12 teams in the league, 8 of the 24 players were from teams with losing records.

1969 : We're up to 14 teams. 8 out of 24, 3 of them from last place teams.

1976 : 18 teams. 4 players from the worst 3 teams in the league.

I'm still waiting for this rich foundation of winning players in the all-star game. I'll just stop here. Because even if it was the case doesn't mean it was the right way to do it. You can tell me your made-up history as many times as you want.

 

[SAIYANS]

If you're not Blue, you can easily differentiate individual success from team success. You thought Love didn't belong last year because his team wasn't winning games; now they're .500 and he's an MVP candidate, as he should be and should have been last year. And besides, Kobe wouldn't win any games with that Nets roster, you must be kidding.

I just read that good. In what fucking world is Love a MVP candidate in reality? His team is 500, but they aren't even in the fucking playoffs, let alone a top 4 seed in the league which the media made damn clear you have to be when they snubbed Kobe, McGrady, and Kidd

 

[SAIYANS]

That's a lovely story. The first all-star game in 1951 had 20 players, 8 from losing teams. But there were only 12 teams, so maybe that's not fair.

1968 : 12 teams in the league, 8 of the 24 players were from teams with losing records.

1969 : We're up to 14 teams. 8 out of 24, 3 of them from last place teams.

1976 : 18 teams. 4 players from the worst 3 teams in the league.

I'm still waiting for this rich foundation of winning players in the all-star game. I'll just stop here. Because even if it was the case doesn't mean it was the right way to do it. You can tell me your made-up history as many times as you want.

I remember a game where the likes of Jordan, Stockton, Malone, Penny, Reggie, Hill, Zo, Payton, Robinson, Mutumbo, Baker, and all the guys in it were representing playoff teams at the time or at least 500 in 96.

I remember the likes of a game where the only real loser in the game was a guy named Vince in 03 because of the fan vote, as every team was in the playoffs or 8th seed at worst (Jordan and the wizards) (Phoenix). Those were great games, great talent, and rewarded players for doing what you are paid to do. Win the fucking games, make your team competitive, and so on while getting stats that aren't empty. Just me

 

[LaBrandon Aldridge]

DWIIIIIIIGHT HOWWWAAAAAARD!