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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    By the iwc, sure. By SD brand fans, people who watched WrestleMania, or remember Evolution or Eddies last days in the company not so much IMO. I wouldn't say Dave never found his niche as much as he admittedly has said in a shoot, they told him he didn't need to change much if anything when he...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    Fair point Dejay. They just need to focus less on stuff that should be secondary IMO Only because HHH ended up being medically cleared weeks later when he was originally thought to be comeing back before the invasion ended. Jerichos reign was about Rock being told he was better than him by the...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    Dave has more big wins. He was the bigger star. He won against better opponents. He was the focal point. He had lengthy reigns, the dvds, the merch, the bigger fanfare. He main evented Manias and ppv after ppv, which Jericho could never dream of as a face. He broke a record for his contract...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    They made it about drugs long before Mania. They dropped best in the world after a week or two and made it all about drugs at Mania and the next ppv as they realized people weren't even watching. They threw shit at the fan out the blue because it got lost on Raw leading to Mania. I mean Bryan...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    And Jerocho will never be remembered like HBk, HHH, Cena, Dave in history for total impact. And beating any of them will always mean much more for a career. It's called common sense on their part to not waste a L needlessly, it's stupid to waste them like Jericho did after they made him...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    Since he is a babyface now not a tweener and has been ever since he returned with the title, it would make sense to have some clean wins. I'm talking clean over Kane, not AJ trotting out there to distract him twice to beat him. Clean over Big Show would have been nice even before the heel turn...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    Henry kicked his ass, he only loss the match with Punk because he kicked his ass and that was his only goal Dolph wouldn't even like to count that world title win and you know it Beating Jerihco isn't big or valued as JTG can say that as the guy takes too many loses to the wrong people Bryan...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    I think kicking the shit out of Nash would have been more relevant than beating some of the guys he did. And I mean kicking the shit out of him. And at least Nash and him focused on him not being championship material before he failed a fucking physical and they somehow inverted the whole three...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    @ Deezy: I said the most credible guy Punk has beaten has been since stepping away from Cena last year, has been Kane, as Kane is always believable and credible at the flip of a switch, and even then the wins over Kane have been screwy and overshadowed greatly by AJ. I said Jericho as Punks WM...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    He has an ass n tits sure but that jaw and build ain't womanly
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    I ain't even Cenas biggest fan. I respect the fuck out of the guy for what he does in the ring and for the company, as well as what he means to the business. I was a Dave and Trips/Taker/Michaels guy, always was and always will be, but I respect the hell out of him and can give him credit for...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    Mak I said the matches are good but the value itself isn't where I would like a wee title reign to be at all. Aside from Cena he hasn't had one standout feud, hell his best match of his wwe career, feud, promos and everything was with Cena The matches itself are good, but it has no umph. I...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    It's not trolling to state facts. It's hard to ignore them. A guy who majored in CRJU with a double minor in Econ and History, as well as got an endorsement in tv and film production ain't going to bypass facts and figures. It ain't how the real works, how business works, and it's maddening that...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    They get my cash for the Rumble, Chamber, SSlam, and Mania. I pay $40 or a discounted stream with no lag for the rest of wwe and all tna ppvs and use a VGA cable. I just get the others out of Walmart or off ioffer
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    Agree with you about Miz. I see something there with him even as a face as I think he could pull off a cocky own the fans get behind very well. I still see more in Swagger than I do Dolph, as I think him as a face could be a Kurt Angle clone. I know Dlph can work, but I find myself always...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    Oh... Yah I said that at WM. I don't pay $65 to see Taker downgrade in his streak matches be it quality (Wade and the others can't work as well) or caliber (I like Dolph and Cody but really from HBK, HHH, Edge, Dave to them). Its a bang for the buck thing as it pertains to the wm price tag
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    I said Miz, you cats said Morrison. I said Truth you guys said lol. I said Cody and Ted yall laughed. Y'all said heel Punk, I said lol that jobber. I was behind Jeff I remember, and Matt over Christian. I never supported Randy, and I remember teasing sal aout calling cabana the future when FCW...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    Like I said either get Punk real names or let Cena make some with the belt. Cena can be champ and beat guys but make them more important. You can go 20 minutes for the title with Cena and lose, but look good, and come off better post match than going 40 with Punk and losing or winning, just the...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    I think they need to go two ways with Punk and the WWE title - Give him real contenders who matter, which means opening up that wallet an duetting in some ears at Raw 1000 - Pass it to Cena and let him establish the division and title all over again back to the level it used to be at. Then...
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    Early Plans of John Cena and CM punk for summerslam revealed

    Are you arguing that Punk vs Bryan is IC title worthy at best 5 or 10 years ago? Like I said in the Kelly thread, they are where they are because of atrophy not their talent alone. They are there because they are the upper echelon of a depleted roster, and the company knows it. They wouldn't...
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