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  1. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    Wasn't Shawn being groomed as one of their top faces around that time leading into Wrestlemania 12 though? Did he sell out arenas? Also didn't he draw low buyrates? Punk isn't a face he's still the top guy in the WWE isn't he?
  2. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    He did draw I'll concede that but he was never a big draw you know? I mentioned WCW was on fire but even when it wasn't business was down I believe 95/ early 96. Wrestling took a hit and sadly HBK as the face takes the hit from it. It's like when Raw doesn't draw well in 2013 it's Punk's fault...
  3. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    HBK was never that big a draw either brah, compare their rating to WCW at the time. Admittedly WCW was on fire but HBK never got the big numbers others did.
  4. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    Whilst I understand that you've got to understand that if the megaface loses it doesn't mean the guy who beat him becomes a draw.
  5. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    Cena is the top draw currently but he lost to Punk, Hogan was the top guy at WM 6 but he lost to Warrior. Guys lose brah, just because a guy has the strap doesn't mean he's the man.
  6. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    Bob wasn't a draw either that's why, maybe at his initial run but in the early 90s people didn't care enough to pay to see him. You can be great without being a monster draw but you can't be the greatest IMO.
  7. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    Damn Video it killed the radio star :annoyed: also if money was to be made out of it he would have done it on PPV bro, you know as well as I do that Vince is a money hungry slagbag.
  8. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    So you have someone undercontract until the end of January but he needed to drop the title at a random house show in October because he was leaving even though he worked 2 further PPVs?
  9. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    Bullshit, Flair competed in the 93 Rumble why didn't he drop it then? Hell he even worked Survivor Series vs Perfect before leaving, he dropped the strap in October I think but stayed with the company until the end of January.
  10. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    \_/ Why did they have him lose the title at a houseshow then? If people wanted to see him lose so badly why not put on PPV, Vince is a business man if Flair was drawing as a heel he'd have put the strap on Bret at a PPV.
  11. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    I'm one of the biggest Punk fanboys there is but BITW? Really ? He isn't even the best in his own company.
  12. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    We're not discussing BITW though, we're discussing complete packages. No he didn't, Hulkamania was running wild brother, it's why Flair left in 92 they wouldn't make him the man brother.
  13. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    If you want the complete package how can you ignore it? If you're saying some guy is the complete package it's someone you'd sign in a heartbeat to build a federation around. Once again why are Hogan, Rock and Austin considered the three GOATS if it isn't for drawing money? Everyone has those 3...
  14. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    Name your top 5 matches for each guy I mentioned, also need to include A Double, Bobby Roode and Daniels into the mix.
  15. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    You're missing one thing to be a complete wrestler, the ability to draw substantial money. It's why guys like Hogan, Austin and Rock are the GOATs not Savage, Flair or Steamboat.
  16. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    DOlph, Daniel Bryan, Tanahashi, Okada, Suziki, Steen, Gargano, KENTA, Karl Anderson and Generico must all be BITWs too by that logic.
  17. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    YOSHI TATSU > CM PUNK
  18. seabs

    Punk might be off until SummerSlam

    Doubt it, why deliberately make a talent boring when you can make money off him? People cheering him = people buying his shirt. People finding him a boring POS = ?