Everybody agrees, TNA's Booking = Suck.

[the hibee wwe fan]

Remove Russo and beg and plead and hope that they can get Paul Heyman

 

[Montana]

Remove Russo and beg and plead and hope that they can get Paul Heyman

Very good point, Or Gabe Sapolsky. I think tna goes more for the old school family wrestling program, but if TNA wants to go in another direction. watch out.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

How can you say fact? It's a storyline, TNA can take it any direction they want. First of all, the storyline isn't over yet. Secondly I really don't know how much higher Samoa Joe can go in TNA. And just becuase "at the moment" it's given Sting/Angle more edgey characters, your basically saying everything is complete failure, which its not true

Joe can go much, much higher. Same goes for AJ Styles. They don't have a sense of legitimacy just yet. And seeing how the storyline started, I can safely say that was the starting goal.

Jay Lethal = Midcarder. Do you honestly see Main event potential in Jay Lethal....and to call Lethal consquences a team nobody cares about, they've only been around 2 months, and they've already won the tag straps. I'd say they are just as exciting as any team in the wwe. Any you says "nobody cares" well you clearly do care if your bringing Jay Lethal up as an example

Yeah, I see a main eventer in Jay Lethal. He was truly over a year ago, and he was still over in the beginnings of his feud with Dutt. I don't care about the tag team, not about the members of it themselves.

And meh, of course any tag team is better than those in WWE. Cryme Tyme are jobbers, Priceless are Orton's lackeys. But The Colons and Mizorrison are leagues, leagues ahead.

And it doesn't mean squat they were the tag champions. Kofi Kingston and CM Punk were champions. Does that make them a good tag team?

Alex Shelly is a jobber but yet holds the X-division championship. Please explain

And? He isn;t exactly on a winning streak and mostly he only wins when he's defending the belt. Besides, Shelley isn't the entire MCMG, and the same (winning) cant be said about Chris Sabin.

Yeah, We've seen Petey for 5 years. He's hit his glass ceilling. You have to keep the talent level fresh. That's why Sonjay/Williams are gone. Is brutus a great pick up. No. But let TNA actually do something with Brutus before you jump down their throats about it. Magnus is no worse than Vladimir Kozlov, and Brutus isn't main eventing a "big 4" ppv either

Just because he isnt worse it doesnt mean he's good. And BTW, stop using the Kozlov references, as we all can agree he's as bad as it gets, and at any point I have defended him.

Petey was far from his ceiling. Had him gone over Scott Steiner...who knows.

It's up and down. Like i said their biggest problem is inconsistency. From a storyline and booking prespective, I see what the fans don't like about it, and realize why they did. They had to put Rhyno/3D to feed some win's to the MEM. I don't think that has killed their storylines. Myself personally i don't know if i would have done it like that, but i see why they did. They had to prolong the fued somehow.

How about actually letting AJ and Joe continue going after his agressors. Like I said before, AJ and Joe were angry with the veterans because they were getting all the main event spots and title matches, so it doesnt make sense to stand in the sidelines and give the title matches to other veterans just because they are nice to them.

The feud didn't need from Rhino or Team 3D. They could have easily continued AJ vs Sting without necesarily burning the feud with match in PPV after match in PPV.

 

[JurassicBonez]

Monty, the fact is that this storyline was made to push AJ and Samoa Joe to an even higher echelon in the main event, not to give Sting and Kurt Angle a new edge in their characters and renew their feuds.

Unless your a writer for TNA, I'd like to know how you know this is fact? And even if that was the way the storyline was originally supose to be, seems pretty obvious to me that that changed a long time ago. They saw a different direction, and ran with it. Who knows, it could still end with AJ and Joe on top as both of them now are the only two that's still going after the mafia. And with the mafia's leaders falling apart and hurting the rest of the group, these two could be the one's that capitalize on it by taking them out once and for all by there self. Would it be better for an entire group of guys like 7 or 8 take out the mafia, or just for 2 guys to do it. The 2nd seems like a better achievement than the 1st.

Jay Lethal went from beating Kurt Angle to being in a tag team nobody cares about with Creed. I fail to see how that is possible.

You can't expect for TNA to pick two guys, throw them together and for everyone to hop on board. They need to be billed up, which they're doing now. Look at Miz and Morrison for example. Honestly, if after Lethal beat Angle, and he went into the main event, you'd have a problem with because it's not someone who's "more deserving".

Sharkboy is a jobber alright, but may I remind he used to have not so long ago 4 segments per show with his Justice League shit

Hmm, Eugene, Colon Delany, Santino, you seeing the pattern here? They did it for laughs, the giggles, merchandising, hell possibly for the kids. The fans liked them, people backstage musta liked them they did what they were suppose to do.

The character they are going with though is crap. everyone knows that Angle is best when his character is a hungry competitor. Look at most of his face runs in WWE and his TNA debut. They NAILED that character, and this "I'm the boss" stuff is stupid.

They're trying out something different with him. And this seems to be working well. He's the boss of the group, when someone doesn't listen or insubordinate, he makes them. His motto is get down or lay down. His next victim.. Sting. The hungry competitor Angle was great and I'm sure we'll see it again sometime after the Sting program, but as of now, THIS Angle is a good trade for that for now.

....to bring in unneeded talent. I'd take Petey and Sonjay any day over Stevie Richards.

I would have too. But TNA see's differently. Stevie may not even wrestle, he may just play a manager roll, he may just be there only as Abyys therapist and that's it he's done, it could be a one time temporary thing, we don't know that.

Those feuds were almost a year ago though. That's plenty enough time for a product to sour.

He's put over Shane Sewell recently. It may not have been a big impact but still. And as of recently, the Mafia were made to look strong and dominating, they can't lose too many matches cleanly. I'm willing to bet after that dies down, he'll be putting talent over again, starting with AJ.

A jobber shouldn't be getting more TV time than a midcard star.

As I said above, Eugene, Santino, Colon Delany

 

[Montana]

This is fun. Me and CMS are both great bookers but yet we can completely different styles. I'm not saying i'd book TNA the way they do, they just take some unjust heat.

Joe can go much, much higher. Same goes for AJ Styles. They don't have a sense of legitimacy just yet. And seeing how the storyline started, I can safely say that was the starting goal. Yeah, I see a main eventer in Jay Lethal. He was truly over a year ago, and he was still over in the beginnings of his feud with Dutt. I don't care about the tag team, not about the members of it themselves.

Joe can go much higher? Joe is also much younger than guys like Sting/Angle/Christian. Why should TNA put Joe and AJ over the top, when they didnt have long term contracts with the company. They've been building them slow and steady. It works. In 06-07 Joe and AJ were new to a lot of wrestling fans. It wouldn't have been good business pushing they too hard too fast.

Jay Lethal as a main eventer? I have to disagree. The Black Machismo gimmick was the "flavor of the month" Great talent, but he's not all around. Oneday maybe TNA will continue to bulid him up, but personally i think he's a great fit in a tag team with Creed right now. Help Creed get over. Jay Lethal also isn't much of a draw. That's they they are currently building up the TNA home grown talent with existing stars.

Just because he isnt worse it doesnt mean he's good. And BTW, stop using the Kozlov references, as we all can agree he's as bad as it gets, and at any point I have defended him.

Petey was far from his ceiling. Had him gone over Scott Steiner...who knows.

You keep bringing up Brutus, I'll keep bringing up Kozlov.

Petey much like Jay Lethal is a GREAT wrestler. But when it comes to TV, you need to have a little thing in the business, they call mic skills. Petey didn't have "IT"


How about actually letting AJ and Joe continue going after his agressors. Like I said before, AJ and Joe were angry with the veterans because they were getting all the main event spots and title matches, so it doesnt make sense to stand in the sidelines and give the title matches to other veterans just because they are nice to them.

The feud didn't need from Rhino or Team 3D. They could have easily continued AJ vs Sting without necesarily burning the feud with match in PPV after match in PPV.

AJ is fueding with Booker and Joe is fueding with STeiner. Why should TNA waste their biggest matchups and fueds on average monthly ppvs. How many times did you want AJ vs. Sting for the belt? They would have had 5 ppv matches by now.

 

[Axis]

lol @ "Colon" Delany.

I'm astonished that people are defending TNA right now. I honestly thought that people only still watched it for comedic value, as I do.

Samoa Joe was the biggest bad ass in wrestling back in 2006 (I think it was 2006? The year Jarrett/Sting main evented Bound For Glory). Now he's not. He lost all his steam when he lost to Kurt Angle and he never gained it back. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF HE WAS TNA CHAMPION, since he was TNA Championship as a generic face. You cannot simply say, "Oh Joe is champion. Be happy."

My biggest problem right now is the Main Event Mafia program. NOBODY could take them down. Do you know how weak that makes Styles and Joe look? Well, you should, since they both look like pussies right now. The only way for the Mafia to fall was from within, so that TNA can be centered around an Angle-Sting feud once again. The Mafia/Frontline angle has yet to put over any young guys, and it's already turning into a Mafia/Mafia angle.

Also, for the record, Vladmir Kozlov has a huge advnatge over other green wrestlers is that he ameks up for his inexperience by headbutting the hell out of people.

And you can make filler PPVs all day, but the fact remains that TNA was just headlined by Sting vs RHINO and Sting and Angle vs THE FUCKING DUDLEY BOYS. THATS LAUGHABLE, yet they tried to pass it off as a legitimate main event.

 

[This Guy]

Montana, there are a couple flaws I see.

You said Lethal & Creed have already been champs....so what? It was for like what, 3 days? And now there completely out of the title scene. People loved the way they won the belts. They should have retained and at least kept the belts for at least 2 weeks or longer.

And how can Alex still be considered a jobber? easy. Look at it like this. The X-Division title has become as degrated as the US./IC & Crusierweight Titles. No one gave a shit about the Cruiserweight division as it was coming to an end and people don't really care about the X-Division anymore. It means nothing. Eric Young beat Bashir for it, and they give it back to bashir. Why? because Shane attacked him. Fine. So they have there rematch, Shane kicks Bashirs hands off the ropes when he catches bashir using it for leverage (something we've seen all refs do a million times) and Eric Young who wins the title again in that match gets stripped of the title again. For what? He beat Bashir fair and square. And then Eric Young doesn't even make it too the damn finals. Now the finals with Shelley and Sabin was amazing, don't get me wrong, but now Alex has the belt and no one cares anymore. Hell he and Sabin got basically beat by Eric Young who pinned them clean after his double stack dvd. People cared more when Bashir had it.

Shelton Benjamin is the US Champion but when was the last time he won? I'd call him a jobber. Just like Shelley he only wins when the belt is on the line every couple of weeks.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Samoa Joe was the biggest bad ass in wrestling back in 2006 (I think it was 2006? The year Jarrett/Sting main evented Bound For Glory). Now he's not. He lost all his steam when he lost to Kurt Angle and he never gained it back. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF HE WAS TNA CHAMPION, since he was TNA Championship as a generic face. You cannot simply say, "Oh Joe is champion. Be happy."

Thank you.

Just because Joe was pushed to the top it doesnt mean he can't go higher. CM Punk was champion as well, does that mean he can't go higher?

My biggest problem right now is the Main Event Mafia program. NOBODY could take them down. Do you know how weak that makes Styles and Joe look? Well, you should, since they both look like pussies right now. The only way for the Mafia to fall was from within, so that TNA can be centered around an Angle-Sting feud once again. The Mafia/Frontline angle has yet to put over any young guys, and it's already turning into a Mafia/Mafia angle.

Jurassic, obviously the story has changed, but honesty you cant go back, see how the storyline started and went into Final Resolution (I think that was the PPV in which the MEM won all the matches), and tell me that the storyline wasn't deviced as old vs young.

Now, yes, the Frontline is in a better state than they were 3 months ago, and yes, they could capitalize on Kurt and Sting feuding and take the MEM down, but what would that mean? it would mean that the future of TNA couldn't defeat the MEM, and they needed a lucky streak, help from Rhino and Team 3D, the two leaders of the MEM feuding, to finally take them down.

Tell me all you want, but that doesnt benefit anybody at all...oh yeah, maybe Kurt Angle and Sting, who won't be wrestling in 2 years.



And Monty, this is TNA. They could have booked things like Sting and Kurt Angle vs AJ Styles and Samoa Joe as a main event for their PPV, keeping tension between AJ and Sting. Then, they could have had Sting vs Kurt vs AJ vs Joe instead of their Team 3D main eventing shit.

I see no sense in Rhino challenging for the belt, because I'll say it again, Joe and Aj started all of this by being pissed at the veterans, and just because some oldies were nice to them, they are going to allow them to take their title shots? That is, as King said in KOTR 99, corny and stupid.

And you can make filler PPVs all day, but the fact remains that TNA was just headlined by Sting vs RHINO and Sting and Angle vs THE FUCKING DUDLEY BOYS. THATS LAUGHABLE, yet they tried to pass it off as a legitimate main event.

I laugh at the filler PPVs. When was the last time TNA went all out with a PPV, Bound for Glory? We're talking about a company with 1.2 ratings and getting buyrates of 15.000. I seriously dont know how they think they can afford to have filler PPVs.

You can't expect for TNA to pick two guys, throw them together and for everyone to hop on board. They need to be billed up, which they're doing now. Look at Miz and Morrison for example. Honestly, if after Lethal beat Angle, and he went into the main event, you'd have a problem with because it's not someone who's "more deserving".

No, he wouldnt have been thrown right into main event status. I'll be the first one to admit I'll be bitching if he challenged for the belt for no reason. However, he should be upper midcarding, an echelon lower than AJ and Joe, not in a random tag team with Creed.

Hmm, Eugene, Colon Delany, Santino, you seeing the pattern here? They did it for laughs, the giggles, merchandising, hell possibly for the kids. The fans liked them, people backstage musta liked them they did what they were suppose to do.

With the exception of Eugene in 2004, all of those characters get 10 minutes per show. In fact, you can go back and check, when Santino got 3 segments in a show, I was the first one to complain.

I have no problem with jobbers. They have to exist, but I do have a problem when Super Eric, Sharkboy and Curryman are the most pushed thing in programming for consecutive weeks.


I

would have too. But TNA see's differently. Stevie may not even wrestle, he may just play a manager roll, he may just be there only as Abyys therapist and that's it he's done, it could be a one time temporary thing, we don't know that

That's even worse. They traded their X-Division for a has been who won't even wrestle.

 

[Seventh Reason]

The Shelton Benjamin comment is a very good observation, TG.

 

[JurassicBonez]

And how can Alex still be considered a jobber? easy. Look at it like this. The X-Division title has become as degrated as the US./IC & Crusierweight Titles. No one gave a shit about the Cruiserweight division as it was coming to an end and people don't really care about the X-Division anymore. It means nothing. Eric Young beat Bashir for it, and they give it back to bashir. Why? because Shane attacked him. Fine. So they have there rematch, Shane kicks Bashirs hands off the ropes when he catches bashir using it for leverage (something we've seen all refs do a million times) and Eric Young who wins the title again in that match gets stripped of the title again. For what? He beat Bashir fair and square. And then Eric Young doesn't even make it too the damn finals. Now the finals with Shelley and Sabin was amazing, don't get me wrong, but now Alex has the belt and no one cares anymore. Hell he and Sabin got basically beat by Eric Young who pinned them clean after his double stack dvd. People cared more when Bashir had it.

Shelton Benjamin is the US Champion but when was the last time he won? I'd call him a jobber. Just like Shelley he only wins when the belt is on the line every couple of weeks.

With that logic, you might as well say that everyone in WWE who isn't holding the WWE title or World heavy weight title but are champs are jobbers. Punk is the IC champ, only time he wins is when it's a title defense, hell he was even a jobber when he was World Heavy Weight champ. Swagger was undefeated before he won the ECW title, now he's losing left and right. Carlito and Primo lose most of the time, unless it's a title defense as well.

Jurassic, obviously the story has changed, but honesty you cant go back, see how the storyline started and went into Final Resolution (I think that was the PPV in which the MEM won all the matches), and tell me that the storyline wasn't deviced as old vs young.

Yes, that maybe the way that the storyline started, yes I thought that's how the storyline was suppose to be, but that's been changed. You can see that, I can see that, everyone who watches TNA can see that, but they still go on saying "TNA sucks, this feud was suppose to put Styles and Joe or the young guys over". THE STORYLINE HAS BEEN CHANGED. The storyline could have been tweeked, Joe and Styles could still come out on top.

Now, yes, the Frontline is in a better state than they were 3 months ago, and yes, they could capitalize on Kurt and Sting feuding and take the MEM down, but what would that mean? it would mean that the future of TNA couldn't defeat the MEM, and they needed a lucky streak, help from Rhino and Team 3D, the two leaders of the MEM feuding, to finally take them down.

Tell me all you want, but that doesnt benefit anybody at all...oh yeah, maybe Kurt Angle and Sting, who won't be wrestling in 2 years.

They needed Rhino and Team 3D to help? They didn't do anything. MEM is still dominating. Rhino had his title shot, I don't even think since then he's been involved with the mafia. Team 3D had their title shot again, I don't think they've been involved with the mafia, besides the promo they cut before the empty arena match. Lethal, Creed, ODB, Eric Young, Sabin, Shelly, Foley, who ever else was in this, they all seemed to of just drifted away. This is now Aj and Joe vs the MEM.

And I think this would benefit more than just Kurt and Sting, cause Joe and AJ are going to (maybe) come out on top. They did what a group of guys couldn't do. That seems like a benefit to me.

And Monty, this is TNA. They could have booked things like Sting and Kurt Angle vs AJ Styles and Samoa Joe as a main event for their PPV, keeping tension between AJ and Sting. Then, they could have had Sting vs Kurt vs AJ vs Joe instead of their Team 3D main eventing shit.

I see no sense in Rhino challenging for the belt, because I'll say it again, Joe and Aj started all of this by being pissed at the veterans, and just because some oldies were nice to them, they are going to allow them to take their title shots? That is, as King said in KOTR 99, corny and stupid.

My only assumption to this is in order for them to not make this storyline stale, and for it to progress longer, they had to switch things up. I didn't like it, I thought it was dumb, but that's the only reason I see why they would do this.

I laugh at the filler PPVs. When was the last time TNA went all out with a PPV, Bound for Glory? We're talking about a company with 1.2 ratings and getting buyrates of 15.000. I seriously dont know how they think they can afford to have filler PPVs.

Couldn't agree more with this statement

No, he wouldnt have been thrown right into main event status. I'll be the first one to admit I'll be bitching if he challenged for the belt for no reason. However, he should be upper midcarding, an echelon lower than AJ and Joe, not in a random tag team with Creed.

Maybe they thought he wasn't ready for it. They wanted a new tag team, one that was face, had speed, skill, was in the x-division, and they ran with these two.

With the exception of Eugene in 2004, all of those characters get 10 minutes per show. In fact, you can go back and check, when Santino got 3 segments in a show, I was the first one to complain.

I have no problem with jobbers. They have to exist, but I do have a problem when Super Eric, Sharkboy and Curryman are the most pushed thing in programming for consecutive weeks.

I wouldn't say they were the most pushed thing. But there's a reason why The Prince Justice Brother Hood, Colen Delany, Eugene, Santino, all jobbers got that much tv time, they must have brought in ratings, or had good merchandise sells or something, or just for laughs, but there had to be some reason for them to be on their, they did their job, it ran it's course, it's over. (with the exception of Santino)

 

[Kaedon]

They don't have to know anything. They just need to talk with some people who DO know about wrestling and that way they'll get an idea of what's wrong and what isn't.

Besides, I doubt that those who got involved with TNA from Panda don't know exactly anything about wrestling

Look I get what youre saying, but when you dont know anything about wrestling, all you can do is go out and get someone who has a name, which is the only reason Russo has a fuck job, which is the problem when you have a big financial backer who wants to stick their dick into the company. They need to talk to a lot of people instead of allowing Jarrett to hire whoever he wants or hiring a guy because his name is known.

 

[Great One]

Lol at this thread, funniest thing(s) said. "(insert heel champ here) is a jobber because he only wins when he's defending the belt." Yeah no shit, that's what HEEL champions usually do.

Tbh, I think TNA is fine from what I've seen. They have the somewhat of the same problems the WWE do nowadays, with the cheesy ass segments. Like Kurt Angle grabbing a picture of Sting and breaks it, while Don West calling it like a match "OMG HES GOT THE PICTURE HES GOT IT OMG AND HE BREAKS IT! HE BREAKS IT!" it's so fucking stupid I have to laugh, lawl. I like how Joe/AJ are facing the next tier guys of MEM at the PPV in which they'll probably both win, so stop QQing bitches. Kurt/Sting are the biggest known names, so obviously the PPV will turn ot them to main event, with Kurt most likely winning. I also think they could be waiting for Daniels to come back, as I've always wondered why he wasn't part of Joe/AJ... those three were THE guys that came to your mind with TNA, thus he should DEFINITELY be with them.

Does anyone know what Paul Heyman is even doing? It would be cool if he got a job with TNA. And if Burke and London signed with TNA that would definitely interest me more to watch. Also, Petey Williams was fine on the mic, and lol at the thought of Jay Lethal main eventing with his fucking Macho Man gimmick, sad. I wish AJ would go back to the more bad ass and truly "phenominal" type face he use to play in 05, etc. Where he was just booked as amazing and didn't talk much, that was much better.

 

[C4]

Does anyone know what Paul Heyman is even doing? It would be cool if he got a job with TNA.

They offered him a contract in early 2005 but Heyman refused.

 

[Wrestlings Finest]

Fire The Cunt

 

[Wrestlings Finest]

Tbh, I think TNA is fine from what I've seen. They have the somewhat of the same problems the WWE do nowadays, with the cheesy ass segments. Like Kurt Angle grabbing a picture of Sting and breaks it, while Don West calling it like a match "OMG HES GOT THE PICTURE HES GOT IT OMG AND HE BREAKS IT! HE BREAKS IT!" it's so fucking stupid I have to laugh, lawl. I like how Joe/AJ are facing the next tier guys of MEM at the PPV in which they'll probably both win, so stop QQing bitches. Kurt/Sting are the biggest known names, so obviously the PPV will turn ot them to main event, with Kurt most likely winning. I also think they could be waiting for Daniels to come back, as I've always wondered why he wasn't part of Joe/AJ... those three were THE guys that came to your mind with TNA, thus he should DEFINITELY be with them.

I Agree 100%