The Samoa Joe Discussion

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Samoa Joe To The WWE?
There are reports surfacing that Samoa Joe is so upset with his status in TNA that he's willing to give the WWE a chance.

Unhappy
Samoa Joe's contract with TNA is coming to an end soon. TNA made him an offer not too long ago to stay with the company, but Samoa Joe turned it down.

Apparently, the main issue for Samoa Joe is that he's unhappy with the way his character has been pushed in TNA.

When he came into TNA, he was off to a hot start. Samoe Joe went a year and a half in TNA without losing a match via pinfall or submission. The hype behind him was very strong at the start.

The Samoan Submission Machine has won the TNA X Division Championship three times. He's also won the TNA World Tag Team Championship once.

However, the TNA World Heavyweight Championship has eluded Samoa Joe in his two years with the company.

TNA is trying to gain a larger fanbase by expanding their weekly Impact show to 2 hours. With that in mind, management has opted to go with more established names like Sting, Christian Cage, and Kurt Angle.

It's purely a business decision.

Top Level Performer
TNA does want to keep Samoa Joe, as evident by the contract offer that they have on the table for him. They know full well that Samoa Joe is one of the best performers in the entire wrestling industry.

While he may not have the best physique, he does have the intensity and the technical skills to produce a great matchup on any given night of the week.

Five Star Superstar
Very rarely do we get to see five star matces in the US. A match has to be incredibly special in order to receive such a prestigious honor.

The honor is so rare that the WWE has only had four matches to have ever reached five star status. Those matches are:

o Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon in a ladder match at Wrestlemania X.
o Bret Hart vs Owen Hart in a steel cage match at Summerslam 1994.
o Bret Hart vs Stone Cold Steve Austin at Wrestlemania 13.
o Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker in a Hell in a Cell at Badd Blood.

As you can see, the match has to be truly a classic in order to achieve this award.

Well, Samoa Joe himself has had two of the elusive five star matches during his stint in ROH. One of those matches was against current ECW star CM Punk.

Closing Thoughts
While it would be nice to see Samoa Joe getting recognition on a national level, it's probably a long shot for him to join the WWE.

Samoa Joe has already rejected the WWE once before. The reasons why he rejected the WWE back then are still the same reasons why he would reject the WWE now.

TNA and Samoa Joe need to do everything possible to come to an agreement.

I honestly can say WWE picking up Samoa Joe will be the biggest independent wrestler signing since they sign CM Punk. All the tell-tale signs are there...

1) WWE gives good pushes to Samoans (Rock, Umaga)

2) His best friends are champions & title contenders (Cena, CM Punk, Colt Cabana)

3) Room to automatically win a title (ECW takes "development" talent)

Must I continue? I've posted this comment in the News & Spoilers section but I'll say it again... who else wouldn't mind seeing a Samoa Joe vs. CM Punk IV but this time for the ECW World title? You can't tell me WWE hasn't done their research and having another 5 Star Match (something they haven't had since '94) would be another notch on their belt in the face of TNA. Comments?

 

[Montana]

Great thread, i agree with everything you stated. I'd even go as far to say this is the biggest signing since Chris Jericho from WcW. Some people that think Joe will be jobbed out is wrong. The wwe pushes the talent that is over with the fans. I'd assume Joe would make a solid impact upon debuting. I don't think we will see JOe until 2008. The wwe would likely save Punk vs Joe IV for a big Event.

 

[Dairydude]

I'd love to see Joe in the WWE, but i disagree with sending him to ECW.
He's better than developmental talent.

the way i see it, is they send him to SmackDown and give him opening feuds with the likes of MVP, Finlay etc.

 

[King_Ash]

^^ But you will have to build him up a bit with the fans... as millions of WWE fans don't know who Joe is. Punk Vs. Joe WM25

 

[samborambo]

I think the best thing would have him go into ECW, Build him up let the WWE fans get to know him then move him onto Smackdown. Possible Feuds with kane, Finlay and Hardy, Then moving him up the roster to Taker, Edge and Batista in 2009.

 

[xtremebadass]

I have very detailed and controversial views on the Samoan Submission Machine, not only do I think that he has been slipping as of late, but if he chooses to go to WWE, he is a sore loser and a sell out. He might not be the coolest of wrestlers but TNA made him, and if he will abandon TNA then that just shows you that he is a no good bastard. Sorry if I was harsh, but that's just my views.

 

[Angryphilip2]

I have very detailed and controversial views on the Samoan Submission Machine, not only do I think that he has been slipping as of late, but if he chooses to go to WWE, he is a sore loser and a sell out. He might not be the coolest of wrestlers but TNA made him, and if he will abandon TNA then that just shows you that he is a no good bastard. Sorry if I was harsh, but that's just my views.

well that would just mean that Christian and Angle are sore loser sell outs too:thumb_yello: because WWE made chrsitian and Angle so they are even more sell outs then Joe would be

 

[Flair for The Gold]

I have very detailed and controversial views on the Samoan Submission Machine, not only do I think that he has been slipping as of late, but if he chooses to go to WWE, he is a sore loser and a sell out. He might not be the coolest of wrestlers but TNA made him, and if he will abandon TNA then that just shows you that he is a no good bastard. Sorry if I was harsh, but that's just my views.

Excuse me? TNA made who? Last I recall, The Joe vs. Punk feud, his match with Kobashi, and the rest of his work in ROH says a lot different. Why would you blame him for leaving a company who is slipping greatly right now. They havn't given him squat either. They're making him looking ridiculous having Angle's wife get involved in their feud.

He should be the champion by now, end of story. He isn't happy with TNA and rightfully so. If they lose, Joe, they're in 10 times the trouble they're in right now considering they don't even put half of the top young talent on iMPACT! anyway.

I understand in a way where your coming from, but I can't agree at all. I wouldn't blame ANYONE for leaving TNA, considering the state they're in now.

 

[Christian]

well that would just mean that Christian and Angle are sore loser sell outs too:thumb_yello: because WWE made chrsitian and Angle so they are even more sell outs then Joe would be

Your both wrong.

Joe accepting a WWE contract, even if they offered less money = NOT a sellout.

Cage and Angle accepting TNA contracts even though they were offered a LOT more money to go to WWE = DEFINATELY not sellouts.

Slap yourself for even saying it.

 

[circle]

I can def see Samoa Joe in the WWE if things don't go the way he wants.

I understand that he had a strong run while in TNA...yes he hasn't held the title, but I think he is out of patience as far as the TNA title is concerned. I mean if one goes undefeated for over a year and a half they would be impatient too about not holding the top spot in the business. I'm not sure what TNA has planned for this guy, but if he wants to stay and resign I think he should negotiate a long title run as part of the contract. I think he has enough leverage to do that right now.

 

[kiddsmash]

Ok here's what I think and I know I'll get alot of heat, but Joe hasn't shown me anything since comming into TNA. He hasn't shown what he can really do and I think when TNA got others ppl they pushed him aside and that pissed him off.

In all honesty Joe is ROH and nothing more. WWE might pick him up but look what they have done to CM Punk? You think Joe will get over? Not a chance he doesn't sell as he doesn't have the WWE look of a pretty boy. It would be nice to have him but they would misuse him and he would get pissed and start whining.

WWE will pick him up only to say they stole talent from TNA and not for any other reason. The WWE fans won't ever see him over. It's all about looks and Joe doens't have the look to make the WWE money.

TNA wants him but they won't give him a title run cause they have an egomaniac as a champion and a few others that won't bow out. With Christian being the exception as he has never been oinned or submitting losing the title. Well ther's my view like it or not?

 

[Angryphilip2]

Your both wrong.

Joe accepting a WWE contract, even if they offered less money = NOT a sellout.

Cage and Angle accepting TNA contracts even though they were offered a LOT more money to go to WWE = DEFINATELY not sellouts.

Slap yourself for even saying it.

you might be right with the sell out thing, what do i know i was just using xbass's logic against him...

but you failed to mention the other thing, the sour loser part. Both Angle and Christian are sour losers, more so Christian.

Christian never won the world title but pretty much every other belt, so people said that he was getting buried and when he signed with TNA it was seen as getting his time in the spot light/ that and all the TNAfanboys creamed themselves over the uppermid card comedy act, who doesn't have the wrestling ability to be in the main event

now Joe is in the exact same situation, he has won every belt expect for the world title, and yet if he signs with WWE he gets called a sour loser, sellout, he abandoned the company that made him(remeber WWE made Chrsitain and Angle)

im just trying to point out the hypcoirty in that point of view...

 

[kiddsmash]

Umm the WWE agreed to let Christian go even though he was set to get a title run soon with them. He wanted out to expand and he is Mainevent materila compared to Edge. Thank you very much.

 

[Angryphilip2]

first off who said he was getting the belt?i never heard anything about that, i could have missed that report but i doubt it. Christian did only have that one triple threat match before getting moved to smackdown and being jobbed out..

now the real point i want to get across...EDGE>>Christian

yeah one of Christians better qualities is that he is great on the mic, well guess what? Christian isnt the best in the ring, he is average to above average...edge on the other hand is great in the ring, and besides Edge plays the scared heel a hell of a lot better than Christian does..

 

[Great One]

To be honest, it's common logic the people who chant CM Punk's name when he debuted and mainly throughout ECW were informed wrestling fans who knew of his past performances of his ability in companies such as ROH. These same fans would pop for Samoa Joe if he went to the WWE as well, therefore getting him 'over' and he would, in theory, recieve the same push CM Punk would. Neither of those two are the ideal physical wrestlers Vince looks for, one is too skinny, one is too fat, yet the skinny one is in the title scene, so I'm fairly certain Joe would get pushed in ECW if enough fans got behind him (unless you're Matt Hardy). Also keep in mind he wouldn't even called up the main roster until sometime in early 2008-mid 2008.

Also, it's nearly impossible to compare Edge and Christian to determine who is better because these two are so ridiculously alike and both are amazing professional wrestlers. These two might have more identical talent than any other wrestlers in the world right now, at least IMO.