Raw & SmackDown may be pulled from cable TV

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"It is sad to say, but the decline in viewership for ‘Raw’ and ‘Smackdown Live’ may have some devastating effects on the company in 2019…
Dave Scherer of PWInsider is reporting that in the most recent investors conference call, WWE were asked about the status of their contract negotiations with NBC Universal as the current contract expires in 2019.

WWE declined to answer, which Scherer explains is a good thing as Vince McMahon previously said when they signed the previous contract that they predict to double viewers and the product isn’t ‘DVRable,’ meaning that consumers won’t record it to watch later and would rather watch live. This obviously isn’t the case, with record low viewership for both ‘Raw‘ and ‘Smackdown Live.’

The highest offer, it would seem, for WWE during the last round of negotiations was by NBC Universal, but wasn’t as high as what McMahon wanted. Now with lesser viewers, there doesn’t appear to be any way they would accept higher. It is likely, Scherer explains, that NBC Universal may not renew their contract."


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“For the sake of comparison the 5/12/14 Raw, which was the show before WWE announced that new deal in 2014, did 4,006,000 overnight viewers. By contrast, the second May Raw of 2017 did overnight 2,696,000 viewers. For you math types, that is a drop of 33% of people watching Raw.

With that last bit, you can see a drop of 33% is A LOT. I am not sure where they will stand come 2019 but if they don't make improvements, there is a chance they will have to try something new. I am sure things will work out and they will do something but what are your thoughts on this? What if Raw/Smackdown did move from cable TV to something like Netflix or Hulu?
 
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I doubt it. Even though Raw and Smackdown ratings are sinking they are still always in the top cable TV shows every week. Usually only behind like a big sports game or espn. Cable television just in general is dying
 

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What the person above me said. It's not that wrestling itself is dying on TV. Cable TV itself is. WWE's two main TV shows are two of the most watched shows on TV every single week.

People are going more and more towards VOD/streaming and WWE have adapted to that as well. TV is not make it or break it in their business model anymore.
 
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I dnt hv cable anyways. Hvnt for over 15 yrs. As long as there is a way for them to keep WWE On TV, I'll be happy. I dnt know either what their plan is to do in the future, But I do hv faith that Mr Mcmahon will work something out. Besides! The shows way to popular!
 

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The record low ratings, though, not the number of viewers, is troubling. So is the lack of Network subs.
 

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The record low ratings, though, not the number of viewers, is troubling. So is the lack of Network subs.
Except the network subs are doing well. Not as good as WWE would want, but well. WWE have been smart enough not to put all their eggs in the same basket
 

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Well...may-be if the WWE didn't air segments like "Bayley: This is your Life" & "The Old Day"
more people would be inclined to watch.

I have to admit this has nothing to do with me...I simply read highlight reports and then watch
the segments/matches I want (mainly the Women's Division & "Wyatt Family" matches).

I do buy the Pay Per Views on DVD but they aren't released in Australia for like 3 months after
they air in the United States.

I would definitely watch RAW, SmackDown, NXT, Lucha Underground and Impact if I could...but...
I can't.
 

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The record low ratings, though, not the number of viewers, is troubling. So is the lack of Network subs.

WWE also has one on the top YouTube channels right now though. They are at 16 million subscribers. They have been smart to branch out. I would actually prefer if WWE got out of cable and moved Raw and Smackdown to the WWE network
 

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The only plus side of the TV deal not happening is that WWE Network would get live Raw and SD which it TRULY lacks. If it had that, i would have bothered to keep the sub tbh.

But like others have said, the world has changed, no one sits in front of a TV anymore, they sit in front of a PC/Xbox/Tablet to stream their shows. And WWE has done the right moves and suffered through the teething problems with their network.

I don't think they will be TV less though, eventually Vince will decide on a deal, even if its less money because the same product needs to be made anyways, this is just another avenue of income/exposure.
 

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Make no mistake they are in trouble without those TV dollars. All their profit is gone and they would have to downsize.

Also apparently the 1998 WCW Halloween Havoc got more views than 205 live on the network.

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The PPVs are shit, the booking is shit, anything thts not NXT or UK title basically sucks, SD has gone down the toilet.

Cable is going down but 33% loss is still a lot. They won't pay top dollar for WWE programming if they can't get ratings.
 

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Great news! Maybe more people will start watching WRESTLING again instead of "sports entertainment" once it's finally dropped from cable. Or maybe this can be a kick in the ass that they need in order to start producing programming that's actually watchable and somewhat entertaining.
 
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Listening to Meltzer now on youtube. Apparently every episode of WCW with 1 exception got better rating than this weeks RAW.
 

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WWE also has one on the top YouTube channels right now though. They are at 16 million subscribers. They have been smart to branch out. I would actually prefer if WWE got out of cable and moved Raw and Smackdown to the WWE network

As for your idea, the more I think about it, the more I wonder about it. Looking at the ad revenue...

Looking at this in my own way, I'm a cord-cutter. I don't have cable, so the rating (the % of people who get USA) factors me out. I pay WWE essentially $20 a month, between the Network sub and Hulu. More shows are watched there but Hulu sees that WWE Smackdown most weeks gets a lot of plays from this home, but that's the deal that keeps SD off the Network. But that's kinda-smart, because if you're an advertiser, you'd run to Hulu before WWEN to cater to a MUCH wider audience (on top of the stigma that wrestling fans are cheap and advertising on a wrestling show doesn't give much bang for the buck which... yesterday was payday and I bought some $5 store-brand headphones at Walmart on the way home, screw those $12 name-brand skullcandies you see advertised, so...) But on the other hand, Hulu just announced an ad-free version for $4 more. So if you're KFC, for example, maybe that Georgia Gold is better off being plugged by Enzo Amore. Maybe being available for all the subscribers that Hulu has isn't worth having to just have your piece of the pie of all the revenue they generate, and wanting to keep all of it to yourself and kick them to the curb and grow your audience through the Youtube channel is the better way to go? And all the plugs I see on ESPN and CBS Sports (which both websites give very smart-mark commentary)? And they can easily keep their name out there while being in their own little bubble on the Network??... I'm not sure how this will all go...

And hey. They already do show a few commercials during PPV in-between matches and they don't bother me in the slightest. Don't cut away from the action and we're good, if you want to throw a couple in the beginning and in-between matches while the crew clears the ring, hey. Maybe it could reduce their reliance on buffer matches as well (you don't need them!)

But the proof is in the pudding here that Raw has problems and if they do lose a TV deal, I'd love to see them address it on the Network by putting up alternate versions of the show. Throw the Hulu version on there, or just throw each individual segment - unedited - on there so we can pick and choose what we want to see. Give us an option to watch without commentary and keep the crowd noise in. Either way it could take some drastic measures to make up for the lack of USA money coming in.

But it's just weird that a company with 16 million subs doesn't seem to have many fans out there - though so few of us (even me) want to admit to watching wrestling publicly...
 
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Well...may-be if the WWE didn't air segments like "Bayley: This is your Life" & "The Old Day"
more people would be inclined to watch.

I have to admit this has nothing to do with me...I simply read highlight reports and then watch
the segments/matches I want (mainly the Women's Division & "Wyatt Family" matches).

I do buy the Pay Per Views on DVD but they aren't released in Australia for like 3 months after
they air in the United States.

I would definitely watch RAW, SmackDown, NXT, Lucha Underground and Impact if I could...but...
I can't.
I hv to rent the Dvd's as they come out. Thats how Im able to stay tuned in whats going on. That and Youtube.
 

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The original intention of the WWE Network was always to get off of Cable TV entirely and, as such, they can make whatever claims they want in contract negotiations. The moment that they don't have a contract they simply move to phase 2 of the network plan, which is just to catch up Raw/Smackdown to live on the Network (which is what, 4/5 shows tops to be completely up to date) and then launch a weekly highlight show to be shown on YouTube/Netflix and Network TV. Live YouTube "lite-PPVs" are also something that might be under consideration for the future.

WWE do not make that much money from the Cable companies any more. YouTube, WWE Network and merchandising accounts for far more of their income. The only actual long term problem they have is with their stars having the brand identity to keep people tuning in.

But that's why they want to hit more active markets. If every Monday/Tuesday WWE is the top link, promoted right at the top of YouTube for 5 hours a week, you're probably going to give it a click at some point. They will be more popular than ever using this system.
 
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