Recently in the WWE there has been two big tweener/face turns (Randy Orton's and Edges) but who do you think has done the best job of it, is it Randy who has basically kept the same gimmick and attitude or Edge who plays to the crowd like a normal face but is not afraid to spear anyone, including faces such as Undertaker.
Randy or Edge?
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Wordlife
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I've been a big fan of the tweener Orton as of late. His whole heel run was getting a bit stale. The storyline with Legacy is really good, maybe I'm the only one who likes it, but I think it will make for a great match at WM.
Edge's tweener run is pretty decent too, but more less he needs a long face feud before I get into him more.
Edge's tweener run is pretty decent too, but more less he needs a long face feud before I get into him more.
straight_edge76
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Honestly, Edge and Orton both turning face and tweener respectively was imo long past due. I love both of these guys but honestly Orton's turn seems far more natural then Edge's.
The fans love both of these guys as heels. I remember a few instances where in the midst of his feud with Cena, Randy would get just as big, if not BIGGER pops then Cena from time to time. Even when Orton was playing his 'Viper' character to a T the fans stills didn't react to him as they used to with other violent heels of the past (like Triple H).
Edge's face turn though, seems kind of awkward. I mean sure, before he got hurt it seemed like the fans were wanting a reason to get behind him. When he came back at The Royal Rumble, I was still not 100% sure that he was going to be a full-fledged almost Cena-esque face. It just seems that no matter who returns at The Royal Rumble the fans go nuts.
Edge's whole "SPEAR!SPEAR!SPEAR!" bit got old after he first did it tbh. Edge's face turn could have been 100x better if they would have let him keep his 'Rated R Superstar' gimmick and make him a badass, almost Austin type of face. Not the typical ass kissing "I Did It for the WWE Universe" face. Edge has all but reverted back to his old E&C type of character.
The fans love both of these guys as heels. I remember a few instances where in the midst of his feud with Cena, Randy would get just as big, if not BIGGER pops then Cena from time to time. Even when Orton was playing his 'Viper' character to a T the fans stills didn't react to him as they used to with other violent heels of the past (like Triple H).
Edge's face turn though, seems kind of awkward. I mean sure, before he got hurt it seemed like the fans were wanting a reason to get behind him. When he came back at The Royal Rumble, I was still not 100% sure that he was going to be a full-fledged almost Cena-esque face. It just seems that no matter who returns at The Royal Rumble the fans go nuts.
Edge's whole "SPEAR!SPEAR!SPEAR!" bit got old after he first did it tbh. Edge's face turn could have been 100x better if they would have let him keep his 'Rated R Superstar' gimmick and make him a badass, almost Austin type of face. Not the typical ass kissing "I Did It for the WWE Universe" face. Edge has all but reverted back to his old E&C type of character.
I like Edge's whole 'Spear!Spear!Spear!' thing actually, it gives the fans something to chant other than 'lets go Edge!' which doesn't work due to the lack of sylobles
Airfixx
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EDGE:
I was sceptical of the Edge face-turn long before his return.
E&C weren't great as faces. Mid-card Edge was dull on the whole... No reason to expect any different and sadly it doesn't look like it will be.
BUT for what it's worth, I'm not overtly down on this "spear" shit. Granted it's not great, l but I agree with the concensuss that says that WWE need to get the fans involved again with chants, catchphrases and stuff (something they did SO well in the Attitude days)... I've already seen "spear" signs in the crowds so peeps are responding to it - Job done (regardless of whether I think it's cool or not.)
ORTON:So far so good... Looking forward to seeing where this goes after Mania, but I have a slight fear that his current 'tweening' is really only for the benefit of spicing up the Legacy split. Still... IF it does come to it a return to 'The Age Of Orton' would be most welcome compared to any more of this Legacy nonsense (*).
Verdict:
Orton's still finding his face character (let's not forget he's been a face for less than 2/3 months in his entire WWE run).... I honestly don't think Edge has one.
Winner: ORTON.
(*Gotta wonder what HBK thinks of all this... He reportedly comes back from leave asking who's been newly built up, "no-one" is the reply, sacrifices himself being the one to get totally owned by Legacy for nearly 3 months straight during their fued with DX, then when the program is over they go back to being Orton's bitches and a storyline which goes nowhere.... Way to make the most of one of your biggest ever star's juice in the twighlight of his career, writing fucks!)
I was sceptical of the Edge face-turn long before his return.
E&C weren't great as faces. Mid-card Edge was dull on the whole... No reason to expect any different and sadly it doesn't look like it will be.
BUT for what it's worth, I'm not overtly down on this "spear" shit. Granted it's not great, l but I agree with the concensuss that says that WWE need to get the fans involved again with chants, catchphrases and stuff (something they did SO well in the Attitude days)... I've already seen "spear" signs in the crowds so peeps are responding to it - Job done (regardless of whether I think it's cool or not.)
ORTON:So far so good... Looking forward to seeing where this goes after Mania, but I have a slight fear that his current 'tweening' is really only for the benefit of spicing up the Legacy split. Still... IF it does come to it a return to 'The Age Of Orton' would be most welcome compared to any more of this Legacy nonsense (*).
Verdict:
Orton's still finding his face character (let's not forget he's been a face for less than 2/3 months in his entire WWE run).... I honestly don't think Edge has one.
Winner: ORTON.
(*Gotta wonder what HBK thinks of all this... He reportedly comes back from leave asking who's been newly built up, "no-one" is the reply, sacrifices himself being the one to get totally owned by Legacy for nearly 3 months straight during their fued with DX, then when the program is over they go back to being Orton's bitches and a storyline which goes nowhere.... Way to make the most of one of your biggest ever star's juice in the twighlight of his career, writing fucks!)
LKP
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Both are favorites of mine. Id say Orton cause he at the moment is doing very well as a tweener. Edge is good also but edge is acting like a heel and is a face. Orton all the way i say. But id love to see rated Rko team up one more time 
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.I am antisapating a couple of heel turns to even this out, Triple H obviously and then I'm not sure who or maybe they will put a heel midcarder into the title picture.
Airfixx
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^^^"CENA.. CENA... CENA...."
LOL... Not til' either Edge or Orton TOTALLY catch fire as a face - Too risky this time of year (with no HBK or Taker post-Mania that would only leave HHH and maybe Mysterio as established ME faces), but I think it's slowly but surely getting closer.
I wanna see HHH/Batista before any eventual heel turn from The Game.... (Well, that is if he's NOT gonna screw HBK @ WM26).
They better not turn Jericho face.
LOL... Not til' either Edge or Orton TOTALLY catch fire as a face - Too risky this time of year (with no HBK or Taker post-Mania that would only leave HHH and maybe Mysterio as established ME faces), but I think it's slowly but surely getting closer.
I wanna see HHH/Batista before any eventual heel turn from The Game.... (Well, that is if he's NOT gonna screw HBK @ WM26).
They better not turn Jericho face.
Orton's current ring style and mic mantra just won't work as a face, he needs to speed it back up a bit. Edge can talk better than Randy and his ring style is face friendly. He already has the fans caught in a chant and his pop was pretty nice on Raw. Orton's getting there but he needs to retool a little bit to be an effective face, but then again keeping him tweener is smart incase someone goes down with an injury. Batista, Trips are over due for injuries, Taker is probably gone for awhile after Mania, and perhaps HBK as well, so maybe with Randy needs to be booked by ear. Edge wins by default.
Airfixx
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Re: Heels...
They already have Sheamus who (fingers crossed) should be looking bad-ass post-Mania.
Miz, Drew getting a shot at the ME or Punk making a full time return wouldn't suprise me either....
They already have Sheamus who (fingers crossed) should be looking bad-ass post-Mania.
Miz, Drew getting a shot at the ME or Punk making a full time return wouldn't suprise me either....
@Enzo Malenko, I find it funny that you say Batista is overdue an injury when he had two injuries last year lol.
MizMasta3000
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Orton won it for me on his little cut on HHH. He said he didn't like HHH but he respected him. Edge is more of a deranged psycho. For Jericho to only have said bad things about him getting injured, he acts like Jericho shot his child every week. A little over aggresive.
straight_edge76
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Building on what Enzo said, Randy doesn't have a very 'face' moveset. It's mainly stomps, kicks, headlocks and a few other strikes and grapple moves like his awesome neckbreaker and then the RKO. But the way he methodically picks apart his opponents, almost like a viper aren't typical face tactics. But he isn't necessarily a cookie cutter face. I love his current moveset and it really helps his character. But if he added in a few more athletic, flashy type moves from the 'Legend Killer' days it would help overall his getting over as a face. I honestly want either Edge or Orton to be a badass, sociopathic face character.